Peter van Buren – Citizen Watch Report Nov 27, 2023
Burned out Ukrainian armour.
The handwriting was on the wall. An Op-Ed in the New York Times entitled “I’m a Ukrainian, and I Refuse to Compete for Your Attention” summed things up nicely: a media junket the author’s friend had been organizing to Ukraine was canceled. The TV crew instead left for the Middle East.
The United States controls how the war in the Ukraine proceeds and always has. Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said it was the American side which scuttled any chance of peace in Ukraine as early as March 2022, soon after the war began. “The only people who could resolve the war over Ukraine are the Americans. During the peace talks in March 2022 in Istanbul, Ukrainians did not agree to peace because they were not allowed to. They had to coordinate everything they talked about with the Americans first. However, nothing eventually happened. My impression is that nothing could happen because everything was decided in Washington.”
Fast-forward to 2023 and the story is different. Earlier this month NBC News quietly released a report which said U.S. and European officials broached the topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, including “very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal with Russia.” NBC said “the discussions are an acknowledgment of the dynamics militarily on the ground in Ukraine and politically in the U.S. and Europe.” They began amid concerns the war has reached a stalemate and about the ability to continue providing open-ended aid to Ukraine. Biden administration officials are also worried Ukraine is running out of men in this war of attrition, while Russia has a seemingly endless supply. Ukraine is also struggling with recruiting and recently saw public protests (not shown on American TV) about President Volodymyr Zelensky’s open-ended conscription requirements. Kiev is today sending 40 and 50-year-olds to the front.
This comes as Time reported Zelensky’s top advisers admitted the war is currently unwinnable for Ukraine. Things look a bit better from the point of view of Ukraine commander-in-chief General Valery Zaluzhny, who believes the war is only at a stalemate. “It’s now a battle of inches,” say American sources quietly.
Americans will be forgiven if they never hear this bad news, never mind be surprised by it if they did. The narrative which drove sports teams to wear blue and yellow patches and E Street Band member Steve Van Zandt to paint his guitar the Ukrainian colors was simple. Amid a flood of propaganda, the story was always the same: Ukraine was pushing back the Russians with weapons provided by a broad range of agreeable NATO benefactors. Between Ukrainian jet fighter aces with improbable kill ratios to patriotic female sniper teams with improbable hair and makeup, Russia was losing. It would be a difficult but noble slog for “as long as it takes” to drive the Russians out. Any talk about peace was insulting to Kiev, fighting for its survival and all. Meanwhile mediagenic President Zelensky at first flew around the world like the anti-Christ Bono, procuring weapons while showing off his man-to-man relationships with celebrities. Now desperate, Zelensky is inflight claiming Russia, Iran, and North Korea sponsored Hamas’ attack on Israel, trying to rattle up some support.
It was as compelling as it was untrue. Any thoughtful analysis of the war showed it to be, from early days, a war of attrition at best for the Ukrainian side and while the U.S. could supply nearly bottomless cargo planes full of weapons and munitions, right up to the promised F-16 fighter-bombers and M1A tanks due on line soon, it could not fill the manpower gap. Any appetite for American troop involvement was hushed up early in the fight. Russia could do what she had always done at war, hunker down in the field and reach deep into its vast territory to find ever more conscripts to wait out the enemy. It didn’t hurt that Russia’s capability versus NATO equipment was surprisingly good, or perhaps the Ukrainians’ handling of sophisticated Western arms was surprisingly bad.
But the most predictable factor leading to quiet U.S. moves toward some sort of “solution” in Ukraine is as predictable as the battlefield results. There is unease in the U.S. government over how much less public attention (despite the propaganda) the war in Ukraine has garnered since the Israeli-Hamas conflict began more than a month ago. Combined with what looks like a feisty new Speaker of the House seeking to decouple aid to Israel from aid to Ukraine, officials fear that shift could make securing additional funds for Kiev difficult.
Americans, the people and their government, assisted by their media wielding the greatest propaganda tools ever imagined, seem capable of focusing on only one bright shiny object at a time. Over 41 percent of Americans now say the U.S. is doing too much to help Kiev. That’s a significant change from just three months ago when only 24 percent of Americans said they felt that way. In the case of wars, a new bright shiny object must include two clear sides, one good and one pure evil, with one preferably an underdog, daily combat footage which can be obtained without too much danger, and a football game-like progression across a map that is easy to follow. It should not be boring. Ukraine was such a conflict and enjoyed almost a full two-year run. But the fickle attention of America shifted to the Middle East just as things started to look more and more like static WWI trench warfare in Ukraine. It was a hard act to follow but something always follows nonetheless (the same calculus works for natural disasters and mass shootings, which are only as mediagenic-good as the next one coming.)
Ukraine, like Israel, owes most of its continued existence to American weaponry. However, despite the blue and yellow splattered on social media at present, Ukraine does not have anywhere near the base of support Israel does among the American public and especially within the American Congress. The terms for resolving the war will be dictated to Kiev as much by Washington as they will be by Moscow, as with Crimea a few years ago. The end will be quite sad; Russia will very likely solidify its hold on Donbas and the Crimea, and achieve new territory to the west approaching Kiev, roughly 20 percent of Ukraine. Ukraine will be forced to set aside its goal of joining NATO even as the U.S. takes a new stand on its western border with Poland.
It is all something of a set piece. America’s habit of wandering into a conflict and then losing interest is long (Iraq) enough to count as an addition to history (Afghanistan.) “We have your back” and “we will not abandon you” join “the check’s in the mail” and “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” among joking faux reassurances. Our proxies seem to end up abandoned and hung out to die. As in Iraq and Afghanistan, never mind Vietnam before that, what was realized at the end could have most likely been achievable at pretty much anytime after the initial hurrahs passed away. It is sad that so many had to die to likely see it happen in 2023.
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Peter van Buren
Peter Van Buren spent a year in Iraq as a State Department Foreign Service Officer serving as Team Leader for two Provincial Reconstruction Teams (PRTs). Now in Washington, he writes about Iraq and the Middle East at his blog, We Meant Well.
Okay, I read some of this, but it basically old beer.
You’ll note how Buren says ‘What UKraine will give Russia’ for a deal. Hilarious.
Nazi UKraine is just one small part of any deal. The questions are thus. Does Russia go for a full trial with a legally binding out come, or do they settle out of court, so to speak?
IMHO, an out of court deal would be a huge mistake.
Nazi NATO planned a war against Russia, not just in Eastern UKraine, but in Crimea, and in old Russia. Several of the highest Nazi politicians have admitted so, and one is rumored to be a daughter of Hitler, how appt.
The main issues for any in court deal are: UKrainian neutrality. The partitioning of UKraine agreed by all. The removal of all Nazi NATO forces from Eastern Europe, and Scandinavia. Compensation for the cost of the SMO, costs for Russian dead and wounded, costs to Russian infrastructure, compensation for stolen Russian assets and money, at interest. This is a basic list which Russia should persue in any deal.
Of course Russia will see little of this, but it needs to be done for the historical record. The bankrupt West simply can’t afford the costs, so I’m my opinion, based on the facts, Russia doesn’t trust or believe any Nazi is capable of any serious negotiations.
This is very complicated, but the moment things change in Kiev, we will see a tsunami of desertions. I mean, it’s already going on new. The other day 150 Nazis just surrendered.
We could see Russian tanks roll into Kiev unchallenged as the hard core Nazis flee to the EU border. How far will the Russians go? Well, if no one surrenders unconditionally, then they could go all the way, and this could mean another 10 to 15 million Nazi refugees flooding the EU and Nazi Britain.
The quoted articles about are really about trying to create defensive narratives to hide their curshing defeat.
More like 500,000 have lost their lives. As Kissinger said being friends of the Anal Empire is dangerous and blindly following imbeciles who think having a swastika tattoo makes one a nationalist. To think, a well placed sniper could have took out the cookie queen and saved a nation.
The evil nuland woman and her group need to be going to prison forever.
Did any Ukraine hews die in the front lines?
Looks like Nico was right–its was all a staged war set up by ZOG and its two Commie Lubavitch agents (Putin/Zelensky) to exterminate Aryans in Ukraine.
We can only hope for a 34 year wave repeat, the Zelenskys deserve death for what they have done:
Execution of Nicolae Ceaușescu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZQoColry58
https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/10/04/olena-zelenska-went-on-a-shopping-spree-while-in-nyc-reportedly-spent-1100000-on-cartier-jewelry-store-employee-have-claimed-online/
Olena vs Elena, think about it
Romania next door to Ukraine
Am archiving this, good overview.
Meanwhile :-
‘Carl Jones on November 29, 2023 at 11:21 am
Okay, I read some of this, but it basically old beer.’
Do you know what? That was PRECISELY my reaction to Carl Jones’ latest comment – I did read quite a lot, but threw it in after the tenth ‘nazi’ or so.
I will reiterate – I would like to know what Carl Jones thinks, but as long as he keeps escalating this meaningless labelling, out of a not-overmature reaction to other people point out how annoying it is, I may as well join Antifas and be reassured 24/7 by black-clad Soyboys with a propensity for Group Violence that everybody they disapprove of is a ‘fascist’.
Correction :
‘out of a not-overmature reaction to other people pointing out how annoying it is’
The dif between Israel and Ukraine in COngressional support is obvious when we see ~89% of said Congress holds Israeli passports.
Molly Berg:
Nico X and his A.A. cult has restored my faith in future Aryan victory.
From time to time you get a chorus of repetitive types who claim all is Zog, fake opposition, fake war to kill whitey etc etc.
They’ve missed vital things. Uki is today after 32 years of ‘independence’ a failed state, overrun by mafia, by corruption, by open interference & control by Western agencies, armed mafia squads, cynical corruption, Oligarch leeches, a huge diaspora of the best of its own people even before 2022, Gestapo like internal police and a large conscripted army to do NATO’s bidding led by mercenaries to the slaughter. It is what the US wanted and willed Russia to be, and under Yeltsin things looked promising. Putin and others had other ideas and this is why the US has had such an obsessive interest in fomenting disorder and bloody chaos in neighbouring Ukraine to get Russian wealth back under US total control. Cue promoting virulent racist Russophobia in the media, disregarding and sneering at Russian security fears, madly expanding NATO whatever the cost and pouring arms and money into project Zelensky to no end.
Until now. Russian military doctrine has not destroyed Uki as a country it has instead taken NATO down and degraded Uki miltary power. America interprets this as a Russian ‘failure’ because it hasn’t annexed all of the country, used its airforce to flatten the place and embarked upon a Stalin style road to Berlin and invaded all of the EU- as this is Putin’s real dream according to experts the EU over. Now that battle fatigue has set in, the Uki offensive never gained any real territory but at hideous cost in life and material. Plus Russia has yet to launch any substantial offensive since March 2022, merely defensive attrition against an enemy drugged by NATO insanity. America is running short of everything, money, weaponry, credibility notably as it seeks outlets for new aggression in the Middle East. So Zelensky will be dropped or allowed to flee.
Putin’s real error was believing he could negotiate with the West or Zelensky as reasonable rational ‘partners’ Blobby Johnson was sent to Uki in April 22 to stop any peace talks and to give Z seemingly limitless funds to do NATO’s will. Putin will compound this error, fatally if he allows the Uki regime off the hook in any way at all. Putin desperately wants to get Z himself to sign the peace accord as a symbolic act- thus ensuring Zelensky’s offing by disgruntled military/mafia. This dream is fraught with danger too as America might decide to liquidate Z and make it look like Russian doings.
From a Russian point of view, Uki must be de-militarised and barred from NATO membership, with international guarantees, some parts permanently re-incorporated into Russia. It can then by-pass NATO and achieve a normalisation of relations with certain EU members for trade, energy and cordial relations. All this is within its grasp provided it enforces the peace and doesn’t dither. Whatever pans out in Uki will not be pleasant particularly for its immediate neighbours in the EU- another mass exodus of people who believe they were promised Western money and victory – arriving to be fed and housed. A rump state of chaos soon turning into a Narco State, heavily armed full of warlords think Kosovo magnified by 100 for the effects on Europe.
And all because no European leader has the vision or mettle of a de Gaulle who wanted European prosperity, growth and independence, allowing for good relations East & West not being a lackey and flunkey to NATO and bound hand and foot to a US who deeply dislikes Europe and believes it has ‘saved’ it on two occasions already. It is the toxic chain of contempt: American politicians have deep contempt for their own citizens, some contempt for Euro leaders who loyally do their total bidding, who in turn have absolute contempt for their own European heritage and tradition, creating contempt for justice, decency and real liberty in the media, education system and legal structures. Contagion by every means.
Those useful idiots who proudly display lapel badges during American ‘elections’ with the words ” I Voted Today” should really make room on those badges, what they really mean is ” I Voted Against My Own Interests Today” But see how they clap and cheer, slaves really must enjoy their chains.
@Milli
Russia = ZOG
Ukraine = ZOG
NATO = ZOG
Now you know
no one goes to prison, no one will be hung
because the stupid majority of sheeple
deserves no better justice !
Milli Tant: a pretty good comment, although I disagree on a few points. You should post more often, on the assumption you’re a real individual.
Ukraine is irrelevant ! the main danger for Russia
are the 3 baltic states + Finnland directly in front
of Petersburg house door . USA will use them as
next crow bar ! there is no other solution for Russia
than to use intercontinal nukes as it cannot tolerate
Nato troops in front of Petersburg . there is absolute
no possibility of warning before incoming missiles .
Milli Tant writes a lot of sense – that is me speaking, not the Crowleyite One pretending to be someone else 🙂
I do understand why people use pseudonyms; a couple of decades back I used to be against it, put your name to your own opinions (as I do mine, but then I do not express everything I know or suspect to be true) – now I have changed my mind in the Woke Automaton Debanking Era – but I think this commenter deserves to give themselves a more august-sounding moniker –
I just realised – the acronym for Woke Automaton Debanking Era is WADE – I place this particularly zealous New Era of Woke Intolerance from the day of the incident that birthed the George Floyd psyop – and as the incident occurred on 25th May 2020, I declare it Day 1 of the current W.A.D.E era, now in its third year.
It IS like wading through thick mud, this new era of paralytic oppression and the policing of Thought and Speech – ‘I can’t breathe’
Guy Reid-Brown: how can I be ‘over labeling’ when virtually no knows what’s going on?
This site is the over labeling king of lable sites. I seriously don’t know how some commentors use so many labels in one article.
ZOG this, ZOG that, and commie this, and commie that. I can think of three or four countries that were communist, and Russia and China don’t make the list.
Carl Jones: ‘I seriously don’t know how some commentors use so many labels in one article.’
Well, you certainly manage to circumvent the problem by using only one – all the time – regardless of relevance or application 😉