Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio in Riyadh
Pjotr Sauer, Luke Harding and David Smith – The Guardian Feb 18, 2025
US and Russian officials agreed to explore the “economic and investment opportunities” that could arise for their countries from an end to the war in Ukraine after talks in Saudi Arabia that amounted to a tectonic shift in Washington’s approach to Moscow.
The statements from the two sides came amid concerns in Kyiv and across Europe that Donald Trump could push for a peace settlement that favours Vladimir Putin. No Ukrainian or European officials were present at the meeting.
Speaking to reporters at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, Trump dismissed Ukrainian concerns about being excluded from the talks and, astonishingly, seemed to imply that Kyiv was to blame for the war.
He said: “Today I heard, ‘Oh, we weren’t invited’. Well, you’ve been there for three years. You should have ended it three years [ago] – you should have never started it. You could have made a deal.”
The president complained that he had seen no accounting of how US military aid is being spent and conspicuously avoided voicing support for Zelenskyy.
“I think I have the power to end this war,” he said.
After the talks at Diriyah Palace in Riyadh, the most extensive negotiations between the two countries in three years, the US secretary of state, Marco Rubio, said agreement had been made to create a high-level team to support Ukraine peace talks and to explore “opportunities which will emerge from a successful end to the conflict in Ukraine”.
It marked a dramatic break with the Biden administration’s efforts to isolate Moscow. Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, and Putin’s chief foreign policy adviser, Yuri Ushakov, were photographed sitting across from Rubio, who attended the talks alongside the US national security adviser, Mike Waltz, and Steve Witkoff, Trump’s special envoy to the Middle East.
Rubio said an end to the Ukraine conflict must be acceptable to all involved, including Ukraine, Europe and Russia, and that Washington’s European allies had been consulted.
Kaja Kallas, the EU foreign policy chief, tweeted a message to Rubio: “Russia will try to divide us. Let’s not walk into their traps. By working together with the US, we can achieve a just and lasting peace – on Ukraine’s terms.”
The talks in the Saudi capital, however, underscored the rapid pace of US efforts to halt the conflict, raising alarm in Kyiv and across Europe, where officials met on Monday to discuss the possibility of sending peacekeeping troops to Ukraine.
Lavrov rejected the prospect of such a move on Tuesday. He said the deployment of Nato member troops in Ukraine, even if they were operating under a different flag, was unacceptable to Moscow. Russia has repeatedly rejected the idea of western boots in Ukraine.
“We explained to our colleagues today what President Putin has repeatedly stressed: that the expansion of Nato, the absorption of Ukraine by the North Atlantic alliance, is a direct threat to the interests of the Russian Federation, a direct threat to our sovereignty,” Lavrov said.
He also rejected a US proposal that Russia and Ukraine halt strikes on each other’s energy infrastructure, falsely claiming that Russia had never endangered Ukraine’s civilian energy supply system.
Shortly after the meeting, Ushakov said the talks had gone well, with both sides agreeing that negotiators would discuss Ukraine. He said a potential Putin-Trump summit had been discussed, but that it was unlikely to happen next week.
Ukrainian officials were not invited to the talks. During a visit to Ankara, where he held talks with Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his country would not accept the results of talks on how to end the war with Russia that were held “behind Ukraine’s back”.
The Ukrainian president told reporters no decision could be made without Kyiv on how to end the war, and that he would always reject Putin’s “ultimatums”.
The discussions in Riyadh mark the first high-level attempt to negotiate an end to Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine since the war’s early days, when talks collapsed over the Russian president’s demands.
Despite the flurry of diplomacy, little is known about Trump’s peace plan for Ukraine or Russia’s willingness to engage, and Tuesday’s meeting offered few new clues.
Both sides issued carefully worded statements when the talks concluded. Rubio said the meeting was “the first step of a long and difficult journey”, adding: “An end to the Ukraine conflict must be acceptable to all involved, including Ukraine, Europe and Russia.”
Waltz said: “This needs to be a permanent end to the war and not a temporary end as we’ve seen in the past.
“The practical reality is that there’s going to be some discussion of territory and there’s going to be discussion of security guarantees, those are just fundamental basics,” he added.
Kirill Dmitriev, the head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, said the two sides had started listening to each other but it was too early to talk about compromises.
Before the talks, Russian officials had said they would pursue “normalisation” with the US and lay the groundwork for a peace deal in Ukraine. But even before the meeting began, the US made several significant concessions to Putin, indicating that Ukraine would have to abandon its Nato ambitions and accept territorial losses.
Putin has not commented publicly on the Saudi talks but told Trump last week during a phone call that Russia wanted to “settle the reasons for the conflict”. Some observers believe this suggests Russia may not limit its focus to Ukraine and may instead seek to reshape European security more broadly.
Moscow’s demands could resemble those it issued on the eve of its full-scale invasion in 2022: that Ukraine adopt a neutral status and that Nato halts the deployment of weapons to member states that joined after 1997, when the alliance began expanding to include former communist nations. This would affect much of eastern Europe including Poland and the Baltic states – Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.
After the talks, Maria Zakharova, Russia’s foreign ministry spokesperson, issued what appeared to be new conditions for peace, saying Russia was demanding “not just a pledge to deny Ukraine Nato membership but the annulment of the 2008 Bucharest summit declaration which promised Kyiv eventual membership without a specific timeline”.
Putin has previously insisted that Ukraine drastically reduce its military forces, which many in Ukraine fear would leave it vulnerable to future Russian attacks.
In Riyadh, Russia was also expected to leverage discussions on a potential Ukraine settlement to push for relief from western sanctions, which have placed significant strain on its economy.
Leading Moscow’s economic negotiations is Dmitriev, the 49-year-old head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund and a close friend of Putin’s daughter. A former investment banker, Dmitriev has played a key role in Russia’s outreach to international investors.
“US oil majors have done very well in Russia,” Dmitriev said in a brief interview on Tuesday before the talks began, suggesting that American companies could come back to Russia. “We believe that at some point they will return – why would they pass up the opportunities Russia has provided for access to its natural resources?”
Tuesday’s talks in Riyadh offered Saudi Arabia and its de facto leader, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, an opportunity to assert themselves on the world stage.
Once labelled a pariah by Biden over the 2018 killing of the Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi leader has emerged as a key intermediary in discussions between Russia and the US.
The latest US diplomatic push has left Kyiv and key allies scrambling to secure a seat at the table, fearing Washington and Moscow could move forward with a deal that sidelined their interests. In response, France convened an emergency meeting of EU nations and the UK on Monday to coordinate a response.
Emmanuel Macron announced after the meeting that he had spoken to Trump and Zelenskyy. “We seek a strong and lasting peace in Ukraine. To achieve this, Russia must end its aggression, and this must be accompanied by strong and credible security guarantees for the Ukrainians,” Macron wrote on X.
Still, the security talks in Paris yielded no concrete measures, as European leaders struggled to present a united front amid divisions over the deployment of troops to Ukraine.
The rebel groups resisting the BBC licence fee
Story by Adam Luck
By his own admission, Mark Whitfield is an unlikely revolutionary. But for the best part of two decades he has been locked in an existential struggle with the BBC over its TV licence. fees
The company director is in the vanguard of a small group of insurgents that calls itself the TVLR or TV Licence Resistance, which has harried the broadcaster. But Whitfield, 59, believes that the writing is on the wall for the licence, as the BBC confronts a mounting rebellion among viewers with a tsunami of postal threats.
Why should we pay to hide up child molesters like stephen fry jimmy saville paul gambacinni david frost etc
“The TV licence has had its day,” he said. “Personally, I think the whole system is wrong and it doesn’t surprise me that the Government and BBC are saying that it is not sustainable, because I have thought that for some time.TV Licensing [the BBC’s revenue enforcement agency] makes lots of threats with the enforcement letters that they send out.
This terrifies ,many elderly folk
“But ultimately, we live in a society where state organisations do not go from door to door demanding to inspect people’s papers and their homes and that is a fairly fundamental principle in this country. Yet TV Licensing operates in exactly that way. It is unacceptable and that is the fundamental reason why our group does what we do.”
Many folk are willing to go to prison rather than pay for propaganda and racist anti UK filth
while dog walking this morning i passed a sign which said
” eat sparkle and shine all day”
some one wrote underneath
“vote for starmer and be a c*nt all week ”
BTW people are raving about farage but he has said he WONT stop the migrant dumping in the UK
It is official without saying so. It was the US at war against Russia.
Ellis C taylor
BBC viewers ‘rush to cancel TV licence’ before April price hike
Story by Josie Copso BBC viewers ‘rush to cancel TV licence’ before April price hike
The cost of a TV licence will soon be rising so some payers are considering cancelling their subscriptions before it comes into action. On April 1 the annual fee will be going up by an extra £5 from £169.50 to £174.50. The money is used to pay for the hiding up ofa host of pedophiles
and eight national TV channels plus regional TV services, BBC iPlayer, BBC Sounds, 56 radio stations, the BBC website, BBC World Service and BBC apps (Picture: EPA)
The BBC ( Boys Buggering Club ) as john lennon said its only for jews freemasons and poofs
This war has not benefited any of the countries involved in it, whether directly or indirectly by supplying weapons so that the killing can continue. It has made several rich in material assets but provided nothing else except death to thousands. Fathers, grandfathers, and husbands in addition to brothers have died leaving fatherless children to grow up without having a proper family relationship.
Who is to blame for this injustice? How and why did it start? To understand one must go back to 2014 and examine the facts. The main point is the statement/promise by the U.S.A. that NATO would not advance Eastward if Russia dissolved its Warsaw Pack, thus allowing peace to prevail for the first time since the Second World War. This agreement though not written down, was agreed to by all the parties involved, so what happened? The truth is that the United States went back on its word and broke the pack that was made. This is in line with most/all of its agreements made in history.
History clearly shows that it was not Russia that went back on their word, but America.
There’s been no tectonic shift. The Russians could be, and are probably being sucked in as usual (Putin The Weak).
Note: Trump so say had a 90 minute chin wag with Putin. Trump once said to Andrew Nepolitano: ‘I’ll tell you some day, when there aren’t 20 (deep state goons) listening in.
Trump is in bed with the US Nazi deep state. They know Putin is 72. He’s not going to be there forever, and any sort of ramp down in UKraine, presents huge economic issues for Russia, unless the European wing of NATO continues the UKraine war.
There’s no change. The Nazis still want Russia broken up so City Crime Cartels can control and place conditions on BrICS access to said resources. This has not changed.
This casting aside Europe and NATO by the US, is mega instability. In fact, the US is goading Europe towards a more war like posture.
Don’t lose sight of the fact Trump is just a front man. His maximum time in the White House is 4 years, and many are jocking for his successor, be that in 4 years, or to put Vance in.
The witch hunt, under the guise of corruption and saving money, is in reality, a massive deflation in the US economy. It doesn’t matter who’s in the White House, the US is bankrupt, and as things stand, it appears spending will be cut, and the US will become a very much smaller economy, although, I doubt the CIA Fact Book will show a decline in US GDP.
As for Putin, who’s got this desperation complex to be accepted by the West, is in a much tighter seat than anyone appears to recognise. Putin is being sucked in towards the negotiating table, knowing he’s not going to get a reasonable deal.
This is my take on what the Russian baseline is, and keep in mind that Russia has beaten NATO in a war fought in UKraine.
Return of financial assets plus interest. Return of stolen assets plus compensation. Compensation to families of the war dead, the injured, and their families. Costs of the Nazi NATO planned war, a massive bill. Then there’s the, no UKraine in NATO, this is more or less accepted. No UKrainian military, maybe a lighy armed home guard, and the roll back of NATO out of Eastern Europe.
Clearly, Putin is going to concede a lot, and will the Russian elites let him? Will Russian sheeple feel insulted by such a terrible deal?
Nazi UK desperately wants the war to carryon, and only suggests a peacekeeping role as a way to keep their iron in the fire. As stated just yesterday, the Russians won’t tolerate any official NATO boots in UKraine, and the idea the British could be there, is sad joke.
As to all the pundits and fake news, they are so full of crap. The Nazis can’t afford peace, and really don’t want it, but see China as a more pressing problem.
The Russians (Putin) said they preferred Biden or Harris, because they were predictable, and now we see chaos, and to me, much more danger, especially when MI6 will be seeking to take back control, be that killing Trump, but Vance + Musk is even worse for UK Nazis, so more likely a false flag putting Trump in a corner.
The guy who’s running the US is Elon Musk. Having Vance in the White House in four years time, or sooner, would make Musk’s day.
Musk doesn’t hate the UK Nazi (arm fling lol) deep state, he hates the woke Nazis, this is why he supports Reform, and he doesn’t believe Farrage is even Nazi enough for his plans. Just look at his energy since Trump was allowed to win? Musk is literally on fire, and the Russians and everyone else are working overtime to understand where the new road system is going.
Big head here, but I knew this was coming, I knew Musk was going to be the Nazi powerhouse, and he’s literally flung his arm out. A white South African of British dissent, it’s almost Hitleresque, and he’s only just started. Musk could have 12 years in
power. Does MI6 run Musk, & Zelensky?
This is a comment, and I’ve felt compelled to make it, given the tsunami of crap analysis, much of it form very well known pundits.
The basics have not changed. The Nazis were in a terrible geopolitical mess, and this is why they’ve thrown chaos bombs all over the show.
How much face will Putin lose, it’s hard to say, but he could be outta power if he can’t get a good deal, even if that deal is in effect, just a pause until Putin is gone, or dead. The Nazis will never stop, and Putin doesn’t get this, but I hope some top Russians get it.
If there are replies, I won’t be reading them.
LOL…
The fake war winds down….all that rare Earth materiel…all those business opportunities…all that real estate..12 trill man….ooh ya!..
Of course the story isn’t over yet…Vlad thinks he’s bought himself back in with the Sachs /Kissinger crew and Uncle Drumpf is on the Throne and hopes to snuggle back in with his handlers and roll out the technium, meanwhile across the kosher nazi wasteland in Keeeev… Zeligenski hopes to avoid the noose and slip stage left to his Florida mansions…
and perhaps back to his lucrative money laundering deals with Mossad stooge Kolomoiski.. and his own syndicated comedy vlog… where he teaches little children in secret tunnels excavated by jeff epshteen how to play the piano…
Azov battalion having gone back to Langley and Tel-Aviv…and Tel -Aviv going back to Odessa…
.. no doubt they’ll employ some of the new dark skinned Ukies and Russkies to collect all the skeletons.
..for fertilizer..
“US and Russia agree to explore mutual opportunities to…”
throw RothUK & EUSSR under the bus! 👍🏻👏☺
‘Kaja Kallas, the EU foreign policy chief, tweeted a message to Rubio: “Russia will try to divide us. Let’s not walk into their traps. By working together with the US, we can achieve a just and lasting peace – on Ukraine’s terms”.’
One just has to laugh upon reading the last phrase! This silliest of the Nordic yappers is a senior official of the European Commission! One really need look no further to understand that the EU is not long for this world.
Ms Kallas,you have Trump’s leave to prolong this obscenely wasteful, cruel, pointless war for as long as you want. But you (Europe) will be paying for it, you bitch. Fancy your chances of survival?
richard vobes at his best
please see
the UK is becoming a communist prison camp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFhkBoCYiwY
Plain and simple, the Ukrainian government was taken over by the US (i.e. “international Jewry”) in 2014 in order to provoke the very war in the Ukraine deliberately to be lost, giving Russia a large hunk of it, killing about 1 million Ukrainians, displacing over 10 million to the ends of the earth, all for the Greater Israel Project to have Russia abandon Syria in exchange which they just did. It is all so F%$#* obvious and dishonest and this very deal was exposed in February 2022 when the Russians entered the eastern regions of the Ukraine.
Aside from some of the commentators here who insist on using the term “Nazi” – which was an invented word to demonize National Socialism in WW2 – the only people with egg on their faces after all is said and done, will be the EU.
Many who comment here find nothing but negativity in every development. A very bad war is about to end, and, in the process, the US and Russia may become partners rather than mortal enemies. I’ll take that deal any day!
Now, it may be that Trump wants this so he can focus more military/US interference into the Middle East for “Israel.” That would be a very negative development, but let’s not jump to that conclusion just yet.
Welcome back CJ! Your astute commentary was sorely missed!
THE TROJAN HORSE From Majestic 12
In w w 2 one of the senior figures in MI 5 was victor rothschild
he was betraying everything through his ” apostles ” to russia
our enemy since 1917 the people were told russia was our allie in the war
this is pure bollox
Roald Dahl ran messages to the Rockefeller inst, this explains why
a lowly no nothing soldier like dwight eisenhower suddenly became a general
it was said at the time he was posted well above his initiative
The reason Victor rothschild told him, we will make you president
if you instigate the murder of Gen patton
which he did
Then just after the war the campaign slogan ” i like ike” was put about to make him president
which it did, rothschild gota jew in the white house
once he was in he could put down the ladder for other jews
US and Russia agree to explore mutual opportunities to get the public to fund the reconstruction of what they destroyed using public funds. Their version of Build Back Better is BlackRock’s Buy Back Better and Cheaper after turning your cattle field into a mine field.
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From Mami’s:
Seeing Through the Smoke & Mirrors Reveals the Rise of the REICH –
SonOfEnos
Adolf Hitler – Portrait of a True Leader – Mein Kampf – Hitler on the Jews, by Thomas Dalton – An Homage to The Fuhrer – Voltman
Normies are starting to see the truth
UKRAINE’S PREDICTED FATE IS A CENTURY OLD NARRATIVE – Remarque88
Canada The Illusion – Hammer Head Garage
They Were All DEAD WRONG About Ukraine War! – The Jimmy Dore Show
RESTORED REPUBLIC OR A.I. GOVERNMENT? — Dr. Len Horowitz – SGT Report
RFK Jr on his plans for Agriculture in the US
RFK Jr.’s POWERFUL speech in the Oval Office
Incredible AI Admissions about Manipulated History and Solutions –
Rick Friedrich
MEP Christine Anderson says GET OUT!
Zombie Fog, Virus Fraud & The North American Digital Concentration Camp – EyesIsWatchin #172
Suprmeme 136 – Mental_Hygiene – Preventing Truth Decay
TRUMPOCALYPSE – HE ONLY LOOKS BACK TO SEE WHO’S HOLDING HIS LEASH TODAY – Remarque88
Memes Feb 17, 2025 – Matrix Discovery
SonOfEnos, Rick Friedrich, Thomas Dalton, Remarque88, Jeremy MacKenzie, Jimmy Dore, SGT Report, Dr. Len Horowitz, RFK Jr, EyesIsWatchin, Christine Anderson, Laura Aboli, Suprmeme, Mental_Hygiene, Matrix Discovery.
RAGECAST 517 – The Rise of the REICH ~ Hitler on the Jews ~ “Ukraine in a Hot Box” ~ Trump: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly ~ RESTORED REPUBLIC OR A.I. GOVERNMENT? ~ Canada The Illusion ~ https://grizzom.blogspot.com/2025/02/ragecast-517-rise-of-reich-hitler-on.html
Too bad Trump & Putin obey the same global cabal of Jewish bankers/rabbis & read from the same screenplay handed to them by the Israel Overlords. For it was revealed by the Overlords in the 60 Minute TV show ‘The Pager Plot’: ‘the world is our stage, which we rule behind the scenes like Truman Show.’
@ chesterton
Great comment. So true. So true.
Carl Jones you fecking twat
the natzis fought the deep state
this is rothschild communism
oh no carl jones and his natzis are back
god help us
I have also missed CJ and I start to miss Nico as well. The only one I don’t miss is the chink with all the long links. He was annoying.
Chesterstein…
So true X 3….they have an abundance of tricks and lies.
These days I usually have them hanging around on “shopping days” (all the big grocery chains are owned by them….same in other western countries)
Their complete control of the media enables them to set the agenda….except with religious people…..Christianity has been under attack for decades….the Hollywood jews have eroded respect for Christianity……and using the media they control they are able to depict homosexuality as normal behaviour etc etc.
Don’t forget Trumpsteen and Muskratbaum are both crypto jews.
The homosexual Starmer is NOT WANTED in Britain.Does the UK print this fact…..of course not….Starmer has just appointed his fudgepacker (crypto jew buddy Mandelson) ambassador to the 🇺🇸…..who has a proen track record for corruption…..Britain cannot get back on its feet with this going on.
The weird crypto jew Starmer MUST BE REMOVED…AT ALL COSTS!.
@ Weevil Cleeve-thorpe DSO
77th…LOL..
wtf happened to NikoX ?
Fred B
The Bible verse in the KJV that refers to “lukewarm” is Revelation 3:16 which reads: “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”.
Explanation: This verse is part of a message Jesus is giving to the church in Laodicea, criticizing them for being neither fully devoted to him (hot) nor completely against him (cold), but rather a tepid, lukewarm faith, which is seen as even more displeasing to God.
The term “black pill” has emerged as a significant cultural phenomenon, particularly within online communities. Originating from the incel subculture, it represents a nihilistic acceptance of societal decay and personal futility. Those who identify as “black-pilled” often find solace in the belief that resistance against systemic issues is futile, leading to a dark, almost gleeful embrace of despair. This perspective can manifest in various forms, from philosophical musings on technological demise to more extreme ideologies advocating violence and radical change.In recent discussions, the black pill has been linked to broader political movements, reflecting a growing disillusionment with traditional systems. Critics argue that this mindset fosters a dangerous environment, where individuals may resort to extremist views as a coping mechanism for their perceived powerlessness. Conversely, some thinkers propose that capitalism and proactive engagement can counteract this pessimism, offering a path toward constructive change rather than surrendering to nihilism.As society grapples with these complex issues, understanding the black pill’s implications is crucial for fostering healthier dialogues and addressing the root causes of discontent.
In Revelation 3:16, Jesus delivers a stark warning to the Laodicean church, stating, “So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.” This powerful imagery highlights the danger of spiritual complacency. Lukewarmness signifies a lack of fervor and commitment to faith, which can lead to a self-satisfied attitude that neglects the need for a deeper relationship with Christ.The Laodiceans were comfortable in their faith, believing they had everything they needed. However, this false sense of security blinded them to their spiritual poverty. Jesus calls for a passionate faith, urging believers to be either hot or cold, as both states serve a purpose. Hot faith is fervent and alive, while cold faith, though distant, can still recognize the need for change.Ultimately, this passage serves as a reminder for Christians to evaluate their spiritual temperature and strive for a genuine, committed relationship with God.
If you are Black-pilled attribute it to the Devil and that way you will be less Black-pilled.
@ Petherington..
They are holidaying in Italy, Cefalù..at the temple..