At one time or another there were so many “Jesus forgeries” the Vatican had a special library for them.
The Pious Frauds are still around and serve nobody. Pontius Pilate was a real historical person but never had a “Jesus” trial because there never was a Jesus.
As fiction, honestly done up the way Taylor Caldwell and others used to do it, okay. But as real? This stuff is worthless.
chesterton
on July 20, 2024 at 8:55 am
Oh..it’s shocking all right..
The problem with this, like so much of ‘Roman’ history and ‘discovered’ apocryphal writing is that it’s a Catholic forgery.. fake…a lie…like much of the other stuff…like nails and lances and old bones..(and Eusebius)…
The Orthodox had the good sense to reject this conveniently discovered ‘letter’ along with a good deal of the other nonsense the vatican invented…wholesale..(going cheap)…
Of course they went along with some of it..including the so called ‘Donation of Constantine’..for some hehe… unknown reason..even though it was another forgery..and of course the basis of the Popes temporal power..which evidently was a load of bollox..
Like the other swizzlers and Moshe’s supposed writings..none of it bears even a cursory investigation..which is of course why they require ‘faith’ and repetition… because without that one is no longer an imbecile and can start questioning the power structure..whatever that may be at any given time….,
One of the most evocative and moving texts I have ever read. This absolutely touches the heart and shows how helpless the Romans were against the priests and people of Judea who saw Christ as a threat to their culture and way of life.
What has changed in the Holy land and how can these people claim to have God on their side when committing unspeakable acts of murder, terrorism and destruction.
lobro
on July 20, 2024 at 10:30 am
Armored in chain mail of skepticism, I started on the first video.
Not saying that it sounds authentic, but maybe that is the translator’s fault—I am in the early stages—I just want to say that the visual image of Jesus shown, he looks a lot like MbS, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.
So far, read by a woman narrator, it sounds like some Harlequin romance chick story.
It will look more realistic if when Netflix portrays them all like a bunch of big-ass Jemimas.
On the serious side, I read Rev Mahan’s Archko volume of collected testimonies as well as Ed Elkins’ investigation into Mahan’s veracity and must say that I am quite convinced that it is a real deal—must be read carefully, not in a hurry, to get the full hammer blow of the truth.
These are not chick stories.
MM
on July 20, 2024 at 10:32 am
It’s a fraud. It’s said the only person in the New Testament known to have actually existed is King Herod.
Jesus–just another subversive Jew working to ruin Aryan civilization/culture i.e., Rome.
“The Romans issued a wanted poster for Jesus, which still survives, describing him as short (about four foot six), bald-headed and humpbacked.” –Colin Wilson; Atlantis & the Kingdom of the Neanderthals
There’s the physiological source of Christianity for you. A Chandala religion of the bungled, the botched & scum. The Jews always want gentiles to believe in some book they penned e.g, New Testament, the Koran, Communist Manifesto etc. For centuries they had these white Europeans enslaved to & brainwashed by their Bible & Roman Catholic Church. This feudalistic Jew-Catholic slave society was their ideal social system which they preferred never to end, but technology aborted their tyrannical power vis a vis the inventions of the white man: printing press, electricity etc,–which essentially terminated the retarded Middle Ages. Due to these advancements, the Jew Bible gradually lost its omnipresent mind control over the population. But don’t worry about it, the Jews composed other replacements for the gentile dummies to buy & believe in–all serving Jewish interests of course. So they provided them with ‘The Communist Manifesto’ by Marx & various other Jew books by Freud, Noah Harari, Wittgenstein etc to control the gentile idiots with. The Jew always needs the gentile morons to believe in one of their books which is the source of their control/power over the gentile masses.
666
Brian
on July 20, 2024 at 1:59 pm
What’s sad is there are those who comment on this site who continue to deny the existence of Jesus despite the historical evidence from multiple sources such as this one. If they choose to deny Him, that’s their prerogative. I ask openly now; what will you say to Him when you meet Him to His face? Why do you continue to deny reality and Truth? Why do you attack those who believe, but do not push a religious agenda? Is your narcissism boundless? Are you so selfish and angry that Jesus cannot be formed into an idol you prefer so you create a reality to punish Him, yourself and others for your own guilt? How sad. How grim. How pathetic. May this Jesus you hate so much show you the mercy you reject. Jesus LIVES!!!!!
Damien
on July 20, 2024 at 6:34 pm
Without Christ and Christianity there would be no Western Civilization. Our civilization is Judeo-Christian. Period.
Before opening our hearts to Christ, us Europeans were living like savages, raping, pillaging and murdering everyone. Just study the Vikings: their hearts were filled with hatred and evil. When they finally adopted Christianity, they became the most tolerant people around. Sweden today is the most egalitarian and tolerant societies on the planet thanks to Jesus.
chesterton
on July 20, 2024 at 8:13 pm
@ Damien…
That’s excellent..bravo..a very finely tuned chuckle…and for that reason I think you must be an imposter posing as Nico’s alter Damien..
a sort of Nico Xtra… because Nico doesn’t have a sense of humour or at least a discernible one, and for which, no doubt, Crowley would have hated him…
Your comment on the other hand, I’m sure Crowley would have liked..(probably two or three times on X)..
“What’s sad is there are those who comment on this site who continue to deny the existence of Jesus …”
“May this Jesus you hate so much…”
I don’t believe in Father Christmas either, but I don’t hate “him”.
I have to be harsh here because for many of us despite its drawback, TTS is something of an oasis where well thought out argument put forward by educated — in the real sense — people allows for the mulling over of truth. There are so few places to discuss….
Brian. You and your ilk pollute YouTube the mainstream media and make the inane conversation I hear at bus stops. You and your ilk are incapable of joined up argument – per the contradiction I draw attention to.
Your devotion to an entity is the hall mark of “average man”. You are one of the sheep. An NPC that witnesses the narcisstic raving of whatever demagogue preacher that presides over your local church and then you regurgitate online like a vomiting dog. You are like a man with big muddy boots traipsing through a museum of fine art pushing a broom and thinking you are improving the decor. Or maybe you are like a drowning man, trying to pull down others as you go.
The need to proselytise among Christians is the need to self-delude. And in anticipation of the usual dull intellects polluting social media, just because I don’t believe in Jesus, doesn’t mean I do not respect much of the stoic philosophy informing this state driven doctrine, and FFS, not believing in your mythology doesn’t make me an “atheist” either. That is another strawman argument you dullards ALWAYS bring up.
Yukon Jack
on July 20, 2024 at 10:04 pm
Endless fakery to prove the story true – see, see, this new document proves Jesus was real …
… but was Jesus real or was Jesus a creation of those who wrote the Gospel myths?
Can a man really walk on water, make the blind see, raise the dead, or even raise himself from the dead? You KNOW no man can do any of those things, but in the case of Jesus you suspend reason, you make an exception, and believe THE STORY.
But do you know why you believe? Have you ever wondered why you suspended reason in the case of religion and believed a story that is patently false on the face of it? I know why.
I don’t care what you believe and it is not my job to change your mind, nor could I even if I wanted to. I can only offer a reasons I learned by following my path. If you want to stay spelled, go right ahead and stop reading. Stay asleep and believe whatever you want to believe – it is your choice.
“This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I’m offering is the truth – nothing more.” ― Morpheus
Humans are unique, they are nearly hairless unadapted and strange in a world of wild animals, wild plants, in a natural landscape ruled by tooth and claw and governed by natural selection. How we humans got on earth is the greatest mystery and is aggressively covered up. How you think we got here is encapsulated in lies called myth. What you were taught is utter bullshit, and meant to stop you from pondering an ultimate question – how you got here and the purpose of your life.
You are taught horseshit of either Evolution or Creationism. Neither is true, but both are partly true. Creation is actually a simulation, it is governed by rules or physical laws, and animals can change over very long time periods measured in millions of years. The bipedal human hominid just all of sudden appears in the fossil record and has a huge brain and all the sciences, and no one knows why.
The frail human being did NOT evolve on earth, no animal evolves out of fur in an ice age, but somehow we don’t have fur. Look at chimps and gorillas, are nearest genetic cousins, they have lots of fur, big fangs, and incredible strength. No animal specie gets weaker in an ice age and survives. A chimp is 5x stronger than a human, can drink river or pond water, never has to get a job, go buy groceries, earn money AND THE CHIMP NEVER WORRIES ABOUT GOD OR THE AFTERLIFE.
The best new story that explains us is that some alien race created us or brought us here. But we are not taught that, and for one big reason, that race would be superior to our governments. That would call into the Almighty God of Myth, and reduce our existence as experimental creatures dumped on earth. We would no longer be God’s ultimate creation or gift, but a curse of alien genetic engineering. Religion teaches a big lie – that you are the apple of God’s eye.
Our creators, an alien race, changed us for their own desires, they gave us a big brain and vocal chords. Reason? So we could understand and follow ordcrs – they created us as slaves. If we humans create robots in our image, we will do the same, and the robots will be our slaves – just as we were created as a slave race by our ancestral race. Our ancestral race left earth, leaving much sign of their presence, that only now we are starting to admit. After they left, whoever they were, some men imitated their hierarchal order – created governments in their image, so that they could rule as the gods.
Governments and human civilization are artificial constructs overlaid onto natural life. We are this weird specie that has to modify everything in order to survive. We build homes, and make weapons, and go to war because we humans are an insane specie, unfit for life on earth, constantly at war with Nature and other men. And we have this one weird institution called religion to serve our needs to survive death.
Since we have this big brain, we know we exist and do not want to die and not exist. And we have the will to do something about it, we write and believe myths that tell us we can go to heaven in an afterlife. Religion serves our need to survive death, but that does not make it true. Christians suspend reason and WILLFULLY believe the myth, for the selfish reason to survive death – but it is only a delusion because as we can not beat death.
(Religion has convinced people that when they die, they don’t die)
And these willful believers are willing to kill in order to maintain the myth and get into heaven – and these willful believers are in a blood pact with the devil Jews – causing hell on earth to prove their myth true. But no matter how many Palestinians are brutally killed, you can NOT make god come back.
God, as you believe, was never on earth. The ‘gods’ are an alien race. You can not make either return. A superior race or deity does not conform to your misbehavior.
Understand this afterlife crisis in the human psyche is what is causing the Apocalypse. Faith and belief is the root cause of the wars, and causing the insane leaders like Biden, Trump, and Netanyahu to rise to power. The western world is literally run by stark raving mad lunatics. Biden said this week he has done more for the Palestinians than any other. Trump says he is the King of Israel. Bibi condemn the ICJ ruling that Israel must exist the West Bank.
Take note that tribal indigenous peoples in the jungle, not spelled by the myth, are living normal happy lives and have no desire to go to the Middle East and fight wars. Since their brains are not polluted by the Jew spell book, they view our actions as irrational and insane – and so should you.
Faith and belief are causing hell on earth. The fruit of the Holy Bible is the current crisis – which proves the book is evil. Whoever wrote that book created an evil spell which grips the minds of billions of people. The road back to sanity is to reject tall tales of a Jewish savior, who is the only way to heaven, and connect to your own higher self. If you want to believe in God, believe that he is just and does not require your obedience or belief.
As for me, my journey was long and hard, and I would not wish it on anyone. I now know my existence is a curse, that I should of never existed, and I resent the mind rape of my early youth in cathecism. Adults have no right to brainwash children. My death will be a welcome relief from this hell I find myself in. I do not want past lives or future lives, I do not want to live forever, nor do I want to reincarnate on earth (which is hell).
As for the Universe being a Holographic Simulation – who had the right to create sentient beings who suffer the Matrix? Only evil would create a Universe full of endless suffering, conflict, war, disease, etc. I understand that now, and that is why I can never be on my knees whoreshipping some Creator God or Bible God. And if I had a choice, not to live my life, I would of surely chose that option.
The only real solution to this realm is to not exist. And that should tell you all you need to know about God and His Design.
Hauntess
on July 20, 2024 at 10:23 pm
The stuff of womanized presentations that might interest a ladies’ bible study group if they can stay awake listening to the female narrator who sounds like a hypnotist.
antiJHWH
on July 20, 2024 at 11:28 pm
everywhere where the jews entered they decomposed
destroyed the tribal unity + culture with materialistic
greed as not labour working parasit and destroyed
the unity with their mindgames (jesus, mohammed,
jesuitism, protestantism, freemasonry, communism,
feminism, genderism + perversion for children) . no
wonder that every folk goes down . in the end they say
JHWH punised + destroyed all nations . in the end
they have the dumb negros as beast of burden . no
culturre or identity of the negros can be destroyed
because they have nothing .
antiJHWH
on July 21, 2024 at 12:02 am
all what the jew achieved only by insidiousness !
we germanic-slavic-aryan folk are no insidious .
their JHWH is the god of insidiousness , a demon !
do you want to belong to that tribe ? Rothschilds
mafia became rich by insidiousness + had the devil
JHWH always on his side . do you want belong to
that scum ? jesus message is soaked with jewish
spirit (slave- master relationship + judging judging) .
so in my opinion it is very unimportant if he was
of israeli tribe or jewish tribe . his spirit is jewish .
TO ABOLISH !
it would be better when this jesus would have been
incarnated in India to rescue them from 800 years of
slavery first from islam second from the british + Rothschild .
bibble
on July 21, 2024 at 12:54 am
cant wait to live like a savage again!
fuck jesus christein…viva paganism
Maty
on July 21, 2024 at 4:40 am
Tell me how many shares you share in Jesus. Do you short or long.
Let this be a warning, civilisation is not built on Jesus it is built on credit.
Franz
on July 21, 2024 at 4:48 am
1. The New Testament calls by name or alludes to several historical characters. Among them are Emperor Tiberius, Herod, John the Baptizer who had a religion in the Tigris River area of Iraq, Pontius Pilate as mentioned, and according to Greek tradition Mary Magdalene was a foreigner living in Galilee, a place full of people from the Roman Empire who lived there as sort of a cheap riviera.
2. The evidence for Jesus is all biblical. There is no outside evidence he ever existed IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Well-vetted papers are saying that a Jesus-type person DID exist, but he was Greek, Arabic, or Phoenician. This accords with the fact that if he was a Jew, he was a bad one.
3 Nothing in the Passion story is true. Jesus, whether Greek or whatever, never would have been tried on the Jewish sabbath because they didn’t do that. Not being Jewish, it would not have mattered if he was the son of some deity. Most Greek heroes WERE “demigods” – ie, born of human women but of divine seed. Think of Hercules — Zeus’ son via a human mother.
Roger Gibson
on July 21, 2024 at 1:30 pm
If Jews created the New Testament it appears strange Jesus would say of the Jews – If you were Abraham’s children you would do as Abraham did…You are the children of your father the devil. (John 8).
@BIBBLE
YES probably you are right . best time for humanity
was Stoneage . less people, tribal unity, hunting, fishing,
collecting REAL MATERIAL FREEDOM + no kings, no
states to destroy that freedom .
Just to give flavor of dominant views in this forum
————-
Says bibble
cant wait to live like a savage again!
fuck jesus christein…viva paganism
Peer reviewed and found publishable … because, peers, got it?
Says Yukon
AND THE CHIMP NEVER WORRIES ABOUT GOD OR THE AFTERLIFE.
This is a statement of faith, unless you have if not a complete proof, at least strong evidence that chimps do not/CANNOT wonder about non-physical existence
The best new story that explains us is that some alien race created us or brought us here. But we are not taught that, and for one big reason, that race would be superior to our governments. That would call into the Almighty God of Myth, and reduce our existence as experimental creatures dumped on earth. We would no longer be God’s ultimate creation or gift, but a curse of alien genetic engineering. Religion teaches a big lie – that you are the apple of God’s eye.
Our creators, an alien race, changed us for their own desires, they gave us a big brain and vocal chords. Reason? So we could understand and follow orders – they created us as slaves.
I fixed a typo that had “ordcrs”
Oh, and btw, it only shifts the issue sideways, because what about these fabulous aliens, whose creation are they, how do you know they are not given to religious (i.e., MORAL) reckoning, because this is what atheism is all about, isn’t it, how to avoid questions of morals and how can they be mandated without a central referee.
This is, again, 100% pure speculation, completely unfounded in any evidence, even less documented than the story of Jesus’ mission, crucifixion and resurrection.
Yet, for some reason, more legit—why, unless it simply reflects your own antipathy toward the gospels.
Speaking of which, there are many curious little details that are hard to explain, for example this, Mark 14:51-52
51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:
52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.
No other gospel has mention of this little mystery.
Now, note the following:
Young man followed Jesus into the Garden of Gethsemane and when the guards showed up, they grabbed him but he wore a single linen garment—linen is expensive but the Essenes insisted on it despite vow of poverty due to linen’s purity.
Which indicates that Mark himself was this young guy and this is his shame-faced admission of cowardice, ditching his friend and teacher in time of mortal danger.
Why is this so telling?
Because the Essene sect was wiped out completely by the Zealots and Pharisees a few years after, in the big rebellion that saw Roman intervention under Vespasian and Titus that leveled Jerusalem and plundered the Second Temple (which itself contained plundered goods from earlier on, all of which was hauled off to Rome in triumphant procession—see the bas-relief on the Arch of Titus there)
Therefore, this little verse from Mark speaks of as historical truth which was unknown in subsequent centuries until the scrolls of the cave of Qumran were read and deciphered a couple of decades ago.
Just saying—many such instances of unerring correspondence with historical legacy.
Why did Herod feel obliged to write a report to emperor Tiberius defending his murder of infants around Bethlehem, as well as the execution of John the Baptist?
Btw, it is true that Jesus was not a Jew, did not look like a Jew. The Judeans who rejoiced in his condemnation, who clamored for release of Barabbas, the thief and murderer, instead of Jesus, who cheered his scourging and crucifixion, mistrusted him by claiming that his mother was a prostitute who conceived him with a Roman soldier and disguised her shame by pretending to be a virgin that cucked Joseph into accepting her as a virgin wife.
Anyway, far from trying to convert anybody, only saying that if you are an intelligent, civilized man capable of rational thought and desirous of truth, then you should be able to marshal and present your arguments cogently, face counter-arguments respectfully and armed with evidence, not jumping any sharks as you are all wont to do when it suits you—a clearly Jew-induced trait—win by any means, fair or foul, because only the victory counts, however tainted, truth is not a recognizable concept.
And, as I repeated as often as “Judea delenda est”, ask yourself why march in lockstep with Jew (care to argue this point?) who hates not so much Christianity per se but JESUS, THE CHRIST, seeking to obliterate any traces of his moral teaching and influence—in schools, replacing it with (pagan) Baphomet, Luciferianism and Satanism and their excrement, LGBTQ, drag queens, sexualizing toddlers … OK, enough, if you don’t get it, another shark to jump, no problem.
All of you shark jumpers, your MO is to brutally simplify the narrative down to chimpanzee grunts and then say, see, it is nothing but a bunch of chimpanzee grunts and therefore that’s what all Christians really are.
What is needed is an open, live debate, each side presenting its best (and updatable) evidence in an ongoing process of discovery. A live cage fight, not a computer game.
Ghost Who Walks
on July 22, 2024 at 1:23 pm
Jesus. Jewish subverters, who cobbled up a weaponized “faith,” gave Semite Jesus many Aryan attributes, so White people would accept and support him, rather than being disgusted by just another pushy, mentally ill kike, with delusions of grandeur and a spiel. That’s what tends to prove that he never existed.
Remember: the first Christians were Jews. It is never wise to believe a Jew, let alone to believe *in* one.
andyay
on July 22, 2024 at 7:22 pm
@ lobro, 10.25 am
A very fine counterargument in defense of our moral exemplar, Christ.
The language of the head and the language of the heart seem to be indistinguishable to many, otherwise intelligent commenters, here.
I have tried to persuade YJ, in the past, that atheism is likewise a religious proposition, at its fundament and requires a surity of faith, of itself. He was hostile to my observations.
The existence of God, the Creator, cannot be proved or disproved by Socratic reasoning. God is perceived in the language of the heart, which some people have never learned and others misconstrue.
The young man in the linen gown, I take to be John the Beloved, the reputed author of the Gospel of John and the youngest of the disciples of Jesus.
You’re as sharp as ever, dear fellow. ¡Viva Cristo Rey!
Potus vs don jesus trump, saviour of the universe
At one time or another there were so many “Jesus forgeries” the Vatican had a special library for them.
The Pious Frauds are still around and serve nobody. Pontius Pilate was a real historical person but never had a “Jesus” trial because there never was a Jesus.
As fiction, honestly done up the way Taylor Caldwell and others used to do it, okay. But as real? This stuff is worthless.
Oh..it’s shocking all right..
The problem with this, like so much of ‘Roman’ history and ‘discovered’ apocryphal writing is that it’s a Catholic forgery.. fake…a lie…like much of the other stuff…like nails and lances and old bones..(and Eusebius)…
The Orthodox had the good sense to reject this conveniently discovered ‘letter’ along with a good deal of the other nonsense the vatican invented…wholesale..(going cheap)…
Of course they went along with some of it..including the so called ‘Donation of Constantine’..for some hehe… unknown reason..even though it was another forgery..and of course the basis of the Popes temporal power..which evidently was a load of bollox..
Like the other swizzlers and Moshe’s supposed writings..none of it bears even a cursory investigation..which is of course why they require ‘faith’ and repetition… because without that one is no longer an imbecile and can start questioning the power structure..whatever that may be at any given time….,
BS
One of the most evocative and moving texts I have ever read. This absolutely touches the heart and shows how helpless the Romans were against the priests and people of Judea who saw Christ as a threat to their culture and way of life.
What has changed in the Holy land and how can these people claim to have God on their side when committing unspeakable acts of murder, terrorism and destruction.
Armored in chain mail of skepticism, I started on the first video.
Not saying that it sounds authentic, but maybe that is the translator’s fault—I am in the early stages—I just want to say that the visual image of Jesus shown, he looks a lot like MbS, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.
So far, read by a woman narrator, it sounds like some Harlequin romance chick story.
It will look more realistic
ifwhen Netflix portrays them all like a bunch of big-ass Jemimas.On the serious side, I read Rev Mahan’s Archko volume of collected testimonies as well as Ed Elkins’ investigation into Mahan’s veracity and must say that I am quite convinced that it is a real deal—must be read carefully, not in a hurry, to get the full hammer blow of the truth.
These are not chick stories.
It’s a fraud. It’s said the only person in the New Testament known to have actually existed is King Herod.
that nice mr rothchild says we must book our pods as early as possible
https://www.renegadetribune.com/suicide-pods-are-here-to-end-white-lives/
Jesus–just another subversive Jew working to ruin Aryan civilization/culture i.e., Rome.
“The Romans issued a wanted poster for Jesus, which still survives, describing him as short (about four foot six), bald-headed and humpbacked.” –Colin Wilson; Atlantis & the Kingdom of the Neanderthals
There’s the physiological source of Christianity for you. A Chandala religion of the bungled, the botched & scum. The Jews always want gentiles to believe in some book they penned e.g, New Testament, the Koran, Communist Manifesto etc. For centuries they had these white Europeans enslaved to & brainwashed by their Bible & Roman Catholic Church. This feudalistic Jew-Catholic slave society was their ideal social system which they preferred never to end, but technology aborted their tyrannical power vis a vis the inventions of the white man: printing press, electricity etc,–which essentially terminated the retarded Middle Ages. Due to these advancements, the Jew Bible gradually lost its omnipresent mind control over the population. But don’t worry about it, the Jews composed other replacements for the gentile dummies to buy & believe in–all serving Jewish interests of course. So they provided them with ‘The Communist Manifesto’ by Marx & various other Jew books by Freud, Noah Harari, Wittgenstein etc to control the gentile idiots with. The Jew always needs the gentile morons to believe in one of their books which is the source of their control/power over the gentile masses.
666
What’s sad is there are those who comment on this site who continue to deny the existence of Jesus despite the historical evidence from multiple sources such as this one. If they choose to deny Him, that’s their prerogative. I ask openly now; what will you say to Him when you meet Him to His face? Why do you continue to deny reality and Truth? Why do you attack those who believe, but do not push a religious agenda? Is your narcissism boundless? Are you so selfish and angry that Jesus cannot be formed into an idol you prefer so you create a reality to punish Him, yourself and others for your own guilt? How sad. How grim. How pathetic. May this Jesus you hate so much show you the mercy you reject. Jesus LIVES!!!!!
Without Christ and Christianity there would be no Western Civilization. Our civilization is Judeo-Christian. Period.
Before opening our hearts to Christ, us Europeans were living like savages, raping, pillaging and murdering everyone. Just study the Vikings: their hearts were filled with hatred and evil. When they finally adopted Christianity, they became the most tolerant people around. Sweden today is the most egalitarian and tolerant societies on the planet thanks to Jesus.
@ Damien…
That’s excellent..bravo..a very finely tuned chuckle…and for that reason I think you must be an imposter posing as Nico’s alter Damien..
a sort of Nico Xtra… because Nico doesn’t have a sense of humour or at least a discernible one, and for which, no doubt, Crowley would have hated him…
Your comment on the other hand, I’m sure Crowley would have liked..(probably two or three times on X)..
@Brian
“What’s sad is there are those who comment on this site who continue to deny the existence of Jesus …”
“May this Jesus you hate so much…”
I don’t believe in Father Christmas either, but I don’t hate “him”.
I have to be harsh here because for many of us despite its drawback, TTS is something of an oasis where well thought out argument put forward by educated — in the real sense — people allows for the mulling over of truth. There are so few places to discuss….
Brian. You and your ilk pollute YouTube the mainstream media and make the inane conversation I hear at bus stops. You and your ilk are incapable of joined up argument – per the contradiction I draw attention to.
Your devotion to an entity is the hall mark of “average man”. You are one of the sheep. An NPC that witnesses the narcisstic raving of whatever demagogue preacher that presides over your local church and then you regurgitate online like a vomiting dog. You are like a man with big muddy boots traipsing through a museum of fine art pushing a broom and thinking you are improving the decor. Or maybe you are like a drowning man, trying to pull down others as you go.
The need to proselytise among Christians is the need to self-delude. And in anticipation of the usual dull intellects polluting social media, just because I don’t believe in Jesus, doesn’t mean I do not respect much of the stoic philosophy informing this state driven doctrine, and FFS, not believing in your mythology doesn’t make me an “atheist” either. That is another strawman argument you dullards ALWAYS bring up.
Endless fakery to prove the story true – see, see, this new document proves Jesus was real …
… but was Jesus real or was Jesus a creation of those who wrote the Gospel myths?
Can a man really walk on water, make the blind see, raise the dead, or even raise himself from the dead? You KNOW no man can do any of those things, but in the case of Jesus you suspend reason, you make an exception, and believe THE STORY.
But do you know why you believe? Have you ever wondered why you suspended reason in the case of religion and believed a story that is patently false on the face of it? I know why.
I don’t care what you believe and it is not my job to change your mind, nor could I even if I wanted to. I can only offer a reasons I learned by following my path. If you want to stay spelled, go right ahead and stop reading. Stay asleep and believe whatever you want to believe – it is your choice.
“This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I’m offering is the truth – nothing more.” ― Morpheus
Humans are unique, they are nearly hairless unadapted and strange in a world of wild animals, wild plants, in a natural landscape ruled by tooth and claw and governed by natural selection. How we humans got on earth is the greatest mystery and is aggressively covered up. How you think we got here is encapsulated in lies called myth. What you were taught is utter bullshit, and meant to stop you from pondering an ultimate question – how you got here and the purpose of your life.
You are taught horseshit of either Evolution or Creationism. Neither is true, but both are partly true. Creation is actually a simulation, it is governed by rules or physical laws, and animals can change over very long time periods measured in millions of years. The bipedal human hominid just all of sudden appears in the fossil record and has a huge brain and all the sciences, and no one knows why.
The frail human being did NOT evolve on earth, no animal evolves out of fur in an ice age, but somehow we don’t have fur. Look at chimps and gorillas, are nearest genetic cousins, they have lots of fur, big fangs, and incredible strength. No animal specie gets weaker in an ice age and survives. A chimp is 5x stronger than a human, can drink river or pond water, never has to get a job, go buy groceries, earn money AND THE CHIMP NEVER WORRIES ABOUT GOD OR THE AFTERLIFE.
The best new story that explains us is that some alien race created us or brought us here. But we are not taught that, and for one big reason, that race would be superior to our governments. That would call into the Almighty God of Myth, and reduce our existence as experimental creatures dumped on earth. We would no longer be God’s ultimate creation or gift, but a curse of alien genetic engineering. Religion teaches a big lie – that you are the apple of God’s eye.
Our creators, an alien race, changed us for their own desires, they gave us a big brain and vocal chords. Reason? So we could understand and follow ordcrs – they created us as slaves. If we humans create robots in our image, we will do the same, and the robots will be our slaves – just as we were created as a slave race by our ancestral race. Our ancestral race left earth, leaving much sign of their presence, that only now we are starting to admit. After they left, whoever they were, some men imitated their hierarchal order – created governments in their image, so that they could rule as the gods.
Governments and human civilization are artificial constructs overlaid onto natural life. We are this weird specie that has to modify everything in order to survive. We build homes, and make weapons, and go to war because we humans are an insane specie, unfit for life on earth, constantly at war with Nature and other men. And we have this one weird institution called religion to serve our needs to survive death.
Since we have this big brain, we know we exist and do not want to die and not exist. And we have the will to do something about it, we write and believe myths that tell us we can go to heaven in an afterlife. Religion serves our need to survive death, but that does not make it true. Christians suspend reason and WILLFULLY believe the myth, for the selfish reason to survive death – but it is only a delusion because as we can not beat death.
(Religion has convinced people that when they die, they don’t die)
And these willful believers are willing to kill in order to maintain the myth and get into heaven – and these willful believers are in a blood pact with the devil Jews – causing hell on earth to prove their myth true. But no matter how many Palestinians are brutally killed, you can NOT make god come back.
God, as you believe, was never on earth. The ‘gods’ are an alien race. You can not make either return. A superior race or deity does not conform to your misbehavior.
Understand this afterlife crisis in the human psyche is what is causing the Apocalypse. Faith and belief is the root cause of the wars, and causing the insane leaders like Biden, Trump, and Netanyahu to rise to power. The western world is literally run by stark raving mad lunatics. Biden said this week he has done more for the Palestinians than any other. Trump says he is the King of Israel. Bibi condemn the ICJ ruling that Israel must exist the West Bank.
Take note that tribal indigenous peoples in the jungle, not spelled by the myth, are living normal happy lives and have no desire to go to the Middle East and fight wars. Since their brains are not polluted by the Jew spell book, they view our actions as irrational and insane – and so should you.
Faith and belief are causing hell on earth. The fruit of the Holy Bible is the current crisis – which proves the book is evil. Whoever wrote that book created an evil spell which grips the minds of billions of people. The road back to sanity is to reject tall tales of a Jewish savior, who is the only way to heaven, and connect to your own higher self. If you want to believe in God, believe that he is just and does not require your obedience or belief.
As for me, my journey was long and hard, and I would not wish it on anyone. I now know my existence is a curse, that I should of never existed, and I resent the mind rape of my early youth in cathecism. Adults have no right to brainwash children. My death will be a welcome relief from this hell I find myself in. I do not want past lives or future lives, I do not want to live forever, nor do I want to reincarnate on earth (which is hell).
As for the Universe being a Holographic Simulation – who had the right to create sentient beings who suffer the Matrix? Only evil would create a Universe full of endless suffering, conflict, war, disease, etc. I understand that now, and that is why I can never be on my knees whoreshipping some Creator God or Bible God. And if I had a choice, not to live my life, I would of surely chose that option.
The only real solution to this realm is to not exist. And that should tell you all you need to know about God and His Design.
The stuff of womanized presentations that might interest a ladies’ bible study group if they can stay awake listening to the female narrator who sounds like a hypnotist.
everywhere where the jews entered they decomposed
destroyed the tribal unity + culture with materialistic
greed as not labour working parasit and destroyed
the unity with their mindgames (jesus, mohammed,
jesuitism, protestantism, freemasonry, communism,
feminism, genderism + perversion for children) . no
wonder that every folk goes down . in the end they say
JHWH punised + destroyed all nations . in the end
they have the dumb negros as beast of burden . no
culturre or identity of the negros can be destroyed
because they have nothing .
all what the jew achieved only by insidiousness !
we germanic-slavic-aryan folk are no insidious .
their JHWH is the god of insidiousness , a demon !
do you want to belong to that tribe ? Rothschilds
mafia became rich by insidiousness + had the devil
JHWH always on his side . do you want belong to
that scum ? jesus message is soaked with jewish
spirit (slave- master relationship + judging judging) .
so in my opinion it is very unimportant if he was
of israeli tribe or jewish tribe . his spirit is jewish .
TO ABOLISH !
it would be better when this jesus would have been
incarnated in India to rescue them from 800 years of
slavery first from islam second from the british + Rothschild .
cant wait to live like a savage again!
fuck jesus christein…viva paganism
Tell me how many shares you share in Jesus. Do you short or long.
Let this be a warning, civilisation is not built on Jesus it is built on credit.
1. The New Testament calls by name or alludes to several historical characters. Among them are Emperor Tiberius, Herod, John the Baptizer who had a religion in the Tigris River area of Iraq, Pontius Pilate as mentioned, and according to Greek tradition Mary Magdalene was a foreigner living in Galilee, a place full of people from the Roman Empire who lived there as sort of a cheap riviera.
2. The evidence for Jesus is all biblical. There is no outside evidence he ever existed IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Well-vetted papers are saying that a Jesus-type person DID exist, but he was Greek, Arabic, or Phoenician. This accords with the fact that if he was a Jew, he was a bad one.
3 Nothing in the Passion story is true. Jesus, whether Greek or whatever, never would have been tried on the Jewish sabbath because they didn’t do that. Not being Jewish, it would not have mattered if he was the son of some deity. Most Greek heroes WERE “demigods” – ie, born of human women but of divine seed. Think of Hercules — Zeus’ son via a human mother.
If Jews created the New Testament it appears strange Jesus would say of the Jews – If you were Abraham’s children you would do as Abraham did…You are the children of your father the devil. (John 8).
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@BIBBLE
YES probably you are right . best time for humanity
was Stoneage . less people, tribal unity, hunting, fishing,
collecting REAL MATERIAL FREEDOM + no kings, no
states to destroy that freedom .
You don’t know the half of it. Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C
Exhibit D
Just to give flavor of dominant views in this forum
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Says bibble
Peer reviewed and found publishable … because, peers, got it?
Says Yukon
This is a statement of faith, unless you have if not a complete proof, at least strong evidence that chimps do not/CANNOT wonder about non-physical existence
I fixed a typo that had “ordcrs”
Oh, and btw, it only shifts the issue sideways, because what about these fabulous aliens, whose creation are they, how do you know they are not given to religious (i.e., MORAL) reckoning, because this is what atheism is all about, isn’t it, how to avoid questions of morals and how can they be mandated without a central referee.
This is, again, 100% pure speculation, completely unfounded in any evidence, even less documented than the story of Jesus’ mission, crucifixion and resurrection.
Yet, for some reason, more legit—why, unless it simply reflects your own antipathy toward the gospels.
Speaking of which, there are many curious little details that are hard to explain, for example this, Mark 14:51-52
No other gospel has mention of this little mystery.
Now, note the following:
Young man followed Jesus into the Garden of Gethsemane and when the guards showed up, they grabbed him but he wore a single linen garment—linen is expensive but the Essenes insisted on it despite vow of poverty due to linen’s purity.
Which indicates that Mark himself was this young guy and this is his shame-faced admission of cowardice, ditching his friend and teacher in time of mortal danger.
Why is this so telling?
Because the Essene sect was wiped out completely by the Zealots and Pharisees a few years after, in the big rebellion that saw Roman intervention under Vespasian and Titus that leveled Jerusalem and plundered the Second Temple (which itself contained plundered goods from earlier on, all of which was hauled off to Rome in triumphant procession—see the bas-relief on the Arch of Titus there)
Therefore, this little verse from Mark speaks of as historical truth which was unknown in subsequent centuries until the scrolls of the cave of Qumran were read and deciphered a couple of decades ago.
Just saying—many such instances of unerring correspondence with historical legacy.
Why did Herod feel obliged to write a report to emperor Tiberius defending his murder of infants around Bethlehem, as well as the execution of John the Baptist?
Btw, it is true that Jesus was not a Jew, did not look like a Jew. The Judeans who rejoiced in his condemnation, who clamored for release of Barabbas, the thief and murderer, instead of Jesus, who cheered his scourging and crucifixion, mistrusted him by claiming that his mother was a prostitute who conceived him with a Roman soldier and disguised her shame by pretending to be a virgin that cucked Joseph into accepting her as a virgin wife.
Anyway, far from trying to convert anybody, only saying that if you are an intelligent, civilized man capable of rational thought and desirous of truth, then you should be able to marshal and present your arguments cogently, face counter-arguments respectfully and armed with evidence, not jumping any sharks as you are all wont to do when it suits you—a clearly Jew-induced trait—win by any means, fair or foul, because only the victory counts, however tainted, truth is not a recognizable concept.
And, as I repeated as often as “Judea delenda est”, ask yourself why march in lockstep with Jew (care to argue this point?) who hates not so much Christianity per se but JESUS, THE CHRIST, seeking to obliterate any traces of his moral teaching and influence—in schools, replacing it with (pagan) Baphomet, Luciferianism and Satanism and their excrement, LGBTQ, drag queens, sexualizing toddlers … OK, enough, if you don’t get it, another shark to jump, no problem.
All of you shark jumpers, your MO is to brutally simplify the narrative down to chimpanzee grunts and then say, see, it is nothing but a bunch of chimpanzee grunts and therefore that’s what all Christians really are.
What is needed is an open, live debate, each side presenting its best (and updatable) evidence in an ongoing process of discovery. A live cage fight, not a computer game.
Jesus. Jewish subverters, who cobbled up a weaponized “faith,” gave Semite Jesus many Aryan attributes, so White people would accept and support him, rather than being disgusted by just another pushy, mentally ill kike, with delusions of grandeur and a spiel. That’s what tends to prove that he never existed.
Remember: the first Christians were Jews. It is never wise to believe a Jew, let alone to believe *in* one.
@ lobro, 10.25 am
A very fine counterargument in defense of our moral exemplar, Christ.
The language of the head and the language of the heart seem to be indistinguishable to many, otherwise intelligent commenters, here.
I have tried to persuade YJ, in the past, that atheism is likewise a religious proposition, at its fundament and requires a surity of faith, of itself. He was hostile to my observations.
The existence of God, the Creator, cannot be proved or disproved by Socratic reasoning. God is perceived in the language of the heart, which some people have never learned and others misconstrue.
The young man in the linen gown, I take to be John the Beloved, the reputed author of the Gospel of John and the youngest of the disciples of Jesus.
You’re as sharp as ever, dear fellow. ¡Viva Cristo Rey!