Laurent Guyenot – The Unz Review March 25, 2024
“It’s time for Jews to be feared!” declared Rabbi Shmuley recently. Jews having failed to overcome anti-Semitism by trying to be loved, respected or admired, must now make themselves feared. This is the new watchword.
The problem is, if Jews want to be feared, then they must also accept being hated. “Fear of the Jews” can be translated, literally, as “Judeophobia” (from the Greek phobos, to fear). To be feared, you must have the power to harm, and you must prove it. So if Jews want to be feared in order to fight anti-Semitism, then anti-Semitism has a bright future ahead.
This all doesn’t make much sense. But it’s very biblical. To my knowledge, the Hebrew Bible does not recommend that Jews should strive to be loved by non-Jews. On the contrary, Yahweh said to his people in Deuteronomy 2:25:
“Today and henceforth, I shall fill the peoples under all heavens with fear and terror of you; whoever hears word of your approach will tremble and writhe in anguish because of you”
If Yahweh wants to spread terror among non-Jews, doesn’t that make him a terrorist, or the god of terrorists? It does, and it makes Zionists good Yahwists. In his 1951 memoir The Revolt, Menachem Begin bragged about “the military victory at Deir Yassin,” because the news of this slaughter of 254 villagers (mostly unarmed men, women, and children) immediately led to the “maddened, uncontrollable stampede of 635,000 Arabs. … The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated.”[1] Wasn’t Begin a worthy servant of his national god?
What Netanyahu is doing today is more than a hundred Deir Yassins. And the goal, again, is not just to kill indiscriminately, but by doing so to terrorize millions of Palestinians into leaving “voluntarily”. This explains why they let so many images of the martyrdom of Gaza filter: it is a public crucifixion, meant for all to see. (Andrew Anglin has suggested another reason, not contradictory with this one).
One of Netanyahu’s favorite biblical stories is the Book of Esther. He mentioned it in 2015 before the American Congress, as an argument why America should bomb Iran.[2] The Book of Esther is important for understanding how the Jews want to be feared. Under the influence of his minister Haman, the Persian king Ahasuerus issued a decree of final solution regarding the Jews of his kingdom, because “this people, and it alone, stands constantly in opposition to every nation, perversely following a strange manner of life and laws, and is ill-disposed to our government, doing all the harm they can so that our kingdom may not attain stability” (3:13). But thanks to Esther, Ahasuerus’s secretly Jewish wife, the Jews turn the situation around and obtain from the king that Haman be hanged with these ten sons, and that a new royal decree is promulgated, which gives the Jews “permission to destroy, slaughter and annihilate any armed force of any people or province that might attack them, together with their women and children, and to plunder their possessions” (8.11). And so the Jews massacred seventy-five thousand people. Throughout the land, the book concludes, “there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and holiday-making. Of the country’s population many became Jews, since now the Jews were feared” (8.17).
This story is entirely fictional, but it is very important to Jews, because every year, at Purim, they celebrate the hanging of Haman with his twelve sons, and the massacre of 75,000 people, including women and children.
According to the conclusion of this story, fear of the Jews produces new Jews, meaning Gentiles who become Jews out of fear of the Jews: “many became Jews, since now the Jews were feared.” Or in a more literal translation: “many people became Jews because the fear of the Jews fell upon them.” As I said, fear of Jews is more likely to produce anti-Semites than new Jews. Yet there are many examples of people who make themselves Jews out of fear of the Jews: any non-Jewish politician who one day put a yarmulke on his head and swore eternal loyalty to Israel fits that profile.
There is another story in the Book of Joshua that goes along the same lines. At the beginning of chapter 2, Joshua, who receives his orders directly from Yahweh in the Tabernacle, sends two spies to the city of Jericho. Having been spotted, they hide with a prostitute named Rahab. She helps them escape in exchange for being spared together with her family when Israel attacks the city, because, she says, “we are afraid of you and everyone living in this country has been seized with terror at your approach” (2:9). Because Israel is so terrifying, she assumes that “Yahweh your god is God.”
The French Catholic Bible de Jérusalem adds a footnote saying that “Rahab’s profession of faith in the god of Israel made her, in the eyes of more than one Church Father, a figure of the Gentile Church, saved by her faith.” I find perplexing the idea of making the whore of Jericho a symbol of the Church because, out of fear of Israel, she converted to the god of Israel and helped Israel to commit the genocide of her own city (“men and women, young and old, including the oxen, the sheep and the donkeys, slaughtering them all,” Joshua 6:21).
On the other hand, it is not a bad metaphor for the complicity of the Christian world in the Israeli genocide of Gazans. There is no doubt that, in most Christians today, fear of the Jews is much stronger than pity for the Gazans. And the heads of states of most Christian nation would rather start World War III with Russia than criticize Israel. Russia is, after all, a rational enemy, while no one knows what psychopathic Israel is capable of.
Israel is the only country that openly threatens to blow up the planet. They call it the Samson Option. The Samson Option is the combination of Israel’s nuclear capability and Israel’s reputation as a dangerous paranoid. Everyone knows that Israel has a hundred nuclear warheads (80 according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute). And everyone knows that Israel is biblical, eager to fulfill prophecies, such as Zechariah 14:12:
“And this is the plague with which Yahweh will strike all the nations who have fought against Jerusalem; their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet; their eyes will rot in their sockets; their tongues will rot in their mouths.”
Martin van Creveld, professor of military history at the University of Jerusalem, explained to the British newspaper The Gardian in 2003 that the Palestinians’ recurrent Intifadas will find only one solution: the “transfer” of all Palestinians out of Palestine. On the risk of opposition from the international community to such a project, he added:
“We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions … We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”[i]
That’s the Samson Option in a nutshell. Its essence is nuclear terrorism.
The audacity and impunity of Israel today are incomprehensible if we do not take into account the Samson Option. But the Samson Option, like Jewish Power in general, is taboo: everyone must know about it, but no one has the right to talk about it. This silence is the ultimate test of Israel’s fear. In a very recent post, Seymour Hersh writes:
“No one who’s anyone in Washington is allowed to talk about Israel’s nuclear arsenal. Or how it affects the region. Or whether it serves U.S. interests, even as the Middle East teeters on the brink of regional war.”[3]
As Hersh himself has documented in The Samson Option, it was thanks to the Kennedy assassination that Israel was able to adopt the Samson Option. Jefferson Morley, an investigator on the Kennedy assassination, noted, in a comment on Hersh’s post, that there is also an “Israeli gag” in Kennedy research:
“you can see the effects of the Israeli gag rule in the long-classified testimony of James Angleton, chief of CIA counterintelligence, to Senate investigators in June 1975. The redactions make visible what the U.S. and Israel government seek to conceal in 2024: how Israel obtained nuclear weapons on Angleton’s watch.”[4]
In the extract below, the word “Israeli” has been redacted to conceal the fact that Angleton was running the “Israeli account” and was, in that function, the sole liaison with the Mossad.
In his remarkable biography of Angleton, Morley shows that Angleton’s loyalty to Israel went as far as allowing them and covering their smuggling of nuclear materials and technology. As every Kennedy research knows, Angleton is also the number one suspect in the CIA for the Kennedy assassination. Which means the CIA trail in the Kennedy assassination runs directly into the Mossad trail (something that Morley avoids saying, as a respectable member of the mainstream It’s-the-CIA school).
I must say that I am very disappointed by President Kennedy’s nephew, Robert Kennedy Junior, who either seems to have no idea of the heavy suspicion hanging over Israel in the assassinations of his uncle and father, or else pretends not to know, or just don’t want to know.
And since I started this article talking about Rabbi Shmuley, the sad news is that Rabbi Shmuley is one of RFK Jr.’s friends and advisors. At a rally on July 25, 2023, he introduced Robert Kennedy by mentioning his father:
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“On the fifth of June, 1968, at 12:15 am, … Robert Kennedy Sr., one of the greatest Americans who ever lived, was gunned down by a Palestinian domestic terrorist, Sirhan Sirhan, and murdered because of his support for Israel. He was gunned down because he wanted to share the fate of the Jewish people.”
Bobby Jr. listened and took it in, without the slightest sign of disapproval, even though he knows very well that his father was not killed by Sirhan, and certainly not for his support of Israel. He remained frozen and mute in his chair, not even nodding when a brave lady in the audience protested, “Why are you lying? Sirhan Sirhan was not the murderer of Robert Kennedy…”[5] RFK Jr. will not contradict the lying Rabbi.
It’s a sadly revealing moment. By publicly humiliating Robert Kennedy Junior, insulting the memory of his father with his gross lie, right beside him, Shmuley is making an example. To be feared, Jews must show their power by making examples. That’s a good example.
Notes
[1] Menachem Begin, The Revolt: Story of the Irgun, Henry Schuman, 1951, quoted in Alfred Lilienthal, What Price Israel?, op. cit., p. 81.
[2] “Benjamin Netanyahu Speech to Congress 2015” on YouTube.
[3] Seymour Hersh, « It’s Bibi’s War », https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/its-bibis-war
[4] Jefferson Morley, “In the Last of the JFK Files, Israel’s Nuclear Secrets Are Safe,” 26 féb 2024, https://jfkfacts.substack.com/p/in-the-last-of-the-jfk-files-israels
[5] “Conversation with RFK Jr. 7.25.23” sur www.youtube.com/watch?v=kihS7wFPG6I&t=434s, à partir de 5:30 minutes.
[i] David Hirst, “The War Game”, The Gardian, September 21, 2003: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts
MARCH FOR PALESTINE 30 March Russel square London
On Monday the United Nations Security Council finally voted to demand an immediate israeli cease fire . The resolution calls for ‘the protection of civilians in the entire Gaza Strip’ and importantly Israel is now in clear violation of the UN’s demand that it stops its assault on the Palestinian people of Gaza. 32,000 Palestinians have been killed in a relentless campaign of violence that the International Court of Justice says plausibly amounts to genocide. We must keep up the pressure to ensure that this UN resolution is implemented and call on governments to go further. A temporary pause will not avert a humanitarian catastrophe. We must continue to demand an end to Israel’s genocidal assault, the complete lifting of its cruel siege on Gaza, and a permanent ceasefire.
‘reiterates its demand for the lifting of all barriers to the provision of humanitarian assistance’. For the first time, the USA abstained instead of blocking the resolution and Britain voted for it. This significant shift in position comes in respons
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“Fear of the Jews…”. In my world, things are different and I am forever severed from the politicians: in my world you are instantly in a war with anyone who even tried to scare you, and you fight till you win. Death makes no difference, it is just an interlude. If you die, you come back with better weapons
they know (((they’re))) fucked
National Holocaust remebrance day will become Int’l Pogrom Day
my Gran could take Shmuley with one hand tied behind her back..
shut them up & they are utterly defenceless
The nature of truth-seeking presents many obstacles. At any one time, I’m sure many of us with a honest heart, believe our own personal perspective is superior to everyone else’s; otherwise, why would we believe what we believe? Our efforts have individually enabled us to make unique paths through wooded areas to clearings above the elevation of many others, who also believe in the singular truth of their own view from where their own efforts with the machete have taken them…
I like Laurent Guyénot. I have often quoted him. Of all writers, it is he who has opened my eyes to the nature of the Jewish “religion”. Yet, I defer with him on the “Samson Option”. It is a mindspace weapon, not a strategic choice that needs “nukes”. I could say people who believe in nukes are as bad as flat earthers, yet I know this is a conflation that some “nuke believers” throw at we “nuke deniers”. It is a rhetorical trick that does disservice to the idea that ideas held should be corroborated or disproved by reason rather than by appealing to the gallery by the throwing guilt by association (of ideas). It is a dishonest way of arguing.
But Guyénot helps nail Kennedy. Truth seekers who disagree on much do not have to travel too far through the woods to arrive at similar agreeing perspectives on this sell-out. I would almost guarantee though that the less intrepid needing as they see it, “an alternative”, will attach their sheep like inclinations to his banner. The less intrepid outnumber all of us significantly. The great friction that disagreement brings among TTS posters belies how much we have in common…
RFKjr is an admitted ex-sex-addict ex-drug-addict. He’s married to Larry David’s shiksa TV wife actress. RFK is up to his ears in Jews who can smear his reputation in a news flash. Nothing surprising here.
this is way too long
the jews killed the kennedy family
he should stand up to them
and make them pay
How disgraceful that this Kennedy is such a coward. How can he possibly be friendly towards this fanatical, lunatic, psychopath scum so called rabbi. It is the way he speaks, moves etc – all signs of a deranged thing. If beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes all the way through with this talmud evil shmuley. How very sad that ordinary so called Jews do not come forward and publicly denounce this repulsive sick rabbi. he certainly makes most if not all so called Jews look bad, bad and bad.
Of course except Jill Stein. Please vote for Jill Stein.
Rabbi Shmuley is God’s way of reminding us, this one and perhaps all, are a bit touched in the head.
First 20 minutes…
Quite a performance. The crowd on two occasions got involved and shouted, he is telling lies.
An atheist wrote this article, I wonder if God might touch him?
We have a new covenant these days. I think God has made Jews redundant.
Someone should tell Shmuley that.
Well Hizbollah is not in fear of jews….So the fear bit usually takes place in civilized surroundings.
Does Cynthia Mckinney the former US Congresswoman “fear the jews”….after all they got her evicted from Congress….probably not….more likely she detests them.
There are many people who appear to be biding their time in order to exact revenge…
The suffering jew theme is wearing out…..the internet has seen to that….they’re now gunning down civilians in broad daylight…..while this trick worked in the Deir Yassin Era….the internet is instantaneously informing the wider world….not a good look.
When the general public realize that their leaders are often jews pretending to be Christians there will be hell to pay.
What happens when the citizens of the West realize that mass alien immigration is the work of Jews (The NZ Green Party leader is a lesbian Jewess)
How can anyone fear a swindling, loud-mouthed, entitled smarmy putz, blessed with the commonly-recognized semitic phenotype?
You should be wary of such an individual. You should be filled with loathing. You should avoid!
But fear? Is it even possible to fear someone or something that cannot be respected? Think about it!
YHWH, JHWH, IHVH, JHVH or whatever it wants to be is Ba’al, or satan (see Strong’s H1167, H1180, H1933/34, H3050 and H3068 to start)!I really wish the ignorance surrounding Yah***, Iah*** or Jah*** and the truth of what it symbolizes would go away! Yahweh is the devil! STOP using it in place of the REAL Name; Ehjeh Asher Ehjeh (as Exodus SHOULD read, ahyah asher ahyah is an Arabic interpolation, yah being a generic prefix!) See also jesusimpact.wordpress.com and remnantradio.org “Yahweh or Jesus, which is the pagan name” for a great breakdown of this! Jehshus (Jesus) LIVES!!!!!
Both modern DNA testing and historical records prove today’s Babylonian Talmud’s
https://www.johnccarleton.org/BLOGGER/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Talmud.png
Pedophile’s End of Times Death Cult members are NOT Semitic, but Red Russian Turkmen Mongolian Khazarians who’s ancestors mass infected with the Zionist Zombie virus in the steppes of modern day Ukraine & Russian in the year 0740 AD.
Anti-Semitic is the Red Russian invaders Holocausting the Semitic Indigenous Palestinian descendants of the Biblical Judians in the Semitic Indigenous Palestinian descendants of the Biblical Judians own ancestral home land.
as for RFK Jr., Mossad probably has one of those Mossad Jeffery Child Rape Blackmail videos RFK don’t want released.
Why else would he get on his knees and service the evil which murdered his father and uncle JFK?
It’s likely Angleton was a ‘jewe’..the CiA is a ‘jewe’ construct…full of ‘jewes’ running black ops…have a gander into the creeps that created it.. more or less like Rothschilds Mi6… which is the MO they favour to terrorize… of course the notion that IS-RA-EL has nooks is more important than using them..(if they could)…
The kabal is a crime syndicate that murders with impunity when the bribes fail..you may have heard of the leaders suspiciously assassinated, but probably not the thousands that were less prominent (thousands died suspiciously when the ‘covid op’ went live..unsurprisingly) but no less important..
.. which unfortunately is indicative of a society that has failed it’s people and why you live under zionist occupation… being replaced.. and when you are significantly reduced they will do to you what they have done to the Palestinians… and then they will slaughter those that replaced you…
It’s what they do…until they are stopped..
NB: It’s a good article, but Guyenot misses one of the most important points, preferring to trash the supine and serpentine Abrahamic re-legions and their complicity (and why shouldn’t he because they are monumental frauds to ‘begin’ with)…(hehe the menachim begins)..
But far more important is the aspect that many of the whirleds imbeciles are now indistiguishable from ‘jewes’ themselves..in manner and character and action, they have been infected so to speak.. they carry the mark..and willingly (sound familiar? because it should)…
presumably these are those that worship idols with clay feet… and why they are all destined for the Pit.. once they’ve finished up with the one they exist in…
imbeciles..
Fear of Yahweh is fear of the Jews. Jews took existing myths and created a supermyth.
From Hindu myth Lord Brahma and his sister/wife Saraswati becomes Abraham and Sara.
Sara becomes Sarah, Sarah’s maidservant Hagar is from the river Ghaggar in India.
The Dravidian speaking Indians become David.
The Holy Bible is the greatest literary hoax of all time. None of the patriarch were real. No Moses, no Exodus, no Covenant. It is a hoax. God does not do land deals, God does not chose favorites. Bible knowledge is “negative knowledge”, it would be better not to know anything than to be brainwashed by the Jew holy hoax.
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UK Independent: ABRAHAM, Jacob, Moses, King David, and King Solomon in all his splendour, never existed, a 15-year study of archaeological evidence has concluded.
The study – by Professor Thomas Thompson, one of the world’s foremost authorities on biblical archaeology – says that the first 10 books of the Old Testament are almost certainly fiction, written between 500 and 1,500 years after the events they purport to describe.
Professor Thompson’s claims, outlined in a new book, The Early History of the Israelite People, are being taken seriously by scholars.
The British Museum’s leading expert on the archaeology of the Holy Land, Jonathan Tubb, said last week: ‘Professor Thompson may well be right in many of his arguments. His book is a work of tremendous scholarship. He has been meticulous in his research, and brave in expressing what many of us have thought intuitively for a long time but have been reticent in saying.’
Professor Thompson – from Marquette University in Milwaukee – says that there is a complete absence of archaeological and historical evidence for many events portrayed in the Bible. The inevitable conclusion, he argues, is that the Israelite exile in Egypt, the Exodus and the Israelite conquest of the Promised Land never took place.
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Yahweh never existed – the threats of Yahweh are really the threats of the Jews.
The obsession with God and his obedience is really Jewish obsession with Goyim control.
The Bible is actually about the Anunnaki so says Dr. Jack Pruett.
The Grandest Deception
“The Grandest Deception explains how ancient astronauts came to Earth, created mankind and used religion and government to control us and run the world today.”
“The Bible is not a story about God or the Supreme Being. The Bible is a story about the Anunnaki” —Dr. Jack Pruett
Jews are the alien proxy on earth – like prison wardens, earth is a prison planet, a hell in which you can not escape.
Worshipping “God” is actually WHORESHIPPING JEWS AND REPTILIAN OVERLORDS
WAKE THE F-CK UP PEOPLE
I do wonder if he gets elected which is doubtful, that there will be a double cross. All is fair in love and politics. Is it possible he is that smart? To play the game to the max and then in the end pull out of the deal? I do think he is that smart, my fear is that there will no virtuous military men left to make it happen. Think about it, the army of invaders coming to town would sooner back him than the other trouble makers. We’d probably come out with some kind of quasi-monarchy benevolent state never seen before.
Who is this Shmuley person anyway? He seems to have come on the scene all of a sudden. Is he and his bizzaro self right out of central casting or what? Don’t take the bait!
I watched Schmuooly for the first time, as he spoke to Alex Jones; it is unusual to see a combination of comedy and Jewish resentment being presented openly, but it is appropriate, because Judaism is hypocrisy, and this, when interrogated, is something ridiculous. Schmoo did, ironically, say to Alex “You are allowed to laugh”
@ John C…
I see you are still pushing the Chazarian nonsense John..in your inimitable manner..but the problem you have is called the archeological record..you see there were no Russian Chazarian Turkmen in ancient Egypt and ancient Greece.. nor ancient Rome..
But there were plenty of jews or rather Yaweeist Babylonian criminal bedouhins …doing all the same things they are famous for doing today..there are even pictographical representations from thousands of years ago… and useful tips for what to do with them if you get an infection..
You have one thing correct though..it’s highly likely Russians bar the Nordic Scandinavian lines are actually Chazaryans… and why not?.. with it being in Russia and the whirled at the time tribal, Russia is an empire not an ethnos.. but Turks?..nobody has a clue what a Turk is…least of all the Turks themselves…
perhaps it’s an empire?…..
By the way the Palestinians were originally majority Philistine ‘settlers’..remember them?..no me neither..but recent DNA evidence from ancient graves actually has them as R1a..which of course makes them Europeans or of European origin… in fact it actually makes them Chazarians *(Chas-Aryan)or Russians or Turk funnily enough….( could be Balts/Macedonians etc)
nowadays like most of the Diddle East the Palestinians are a mixed bunch…the original etymology for Arab being the term understood or one who can be…a reference to clan…just like the yahoodim…
strangely enough…
NB: It’s highly likely most of these peoples from this area were the historical Scythians or the Sctti.. nomads famous for their red hair and warlike demeanor, plaid fabrics, love of the land and hatred of the merchant class whom they viewed as an abomination…
..what’s left of them live in Northern Britain… or at least they used to…
take off the kneepads junior
The grand retard Kennedy, is just as stupid as he looks. What a piece of shit.
Its hard to imagine a greater betrayal than RFK Jr. betraying the truth of his Uncle’s and father’s deaths. Disgusting.
Indebted to Dr Popper who gives the following address on the unz.com website of a remarkable and much to be feared documentary from the Internet archive, a rather tedious but well worth it: –
https://archive.org/details/watch_europa/Europa+The+Last+Battle+(06)+(Part+5+of+10)++2017++720P.mp4?_=1
(With no spaces in the address)
“It’s time for the Jews to be feared!”
Really, rabbi?
A lifetime’s worth of self-worship won’t rescue you, from the humiliation your hubris will bring. Snarl away. You’re as fearsome as a six-week-old labrador puppy, that’s still uncertain on its feet.
Labradors, in comparison with jews, are a discernibly superior expression of God’s creation. At least you can have a reasonable conversation with a labrador.
Jews are only feared by those who have contracted with them. Fear keeps their empire but they should really stop kidding themselves.
The world doesn’t tremble before the jews. The world is disgusted by the jews.
The void awaits the jews. Their congenital devilry on Earth will not serve them in the nothingness that’s not a somethingness but nevertheless is.
@Simon Smith
how about the flat Atlantic Ocean bent round a ball?
you should be able to show us that quite easily…
after all,
there’s lots of actual evidence that we are living on a spinning ball isn’t there!
so maybe show us some?
no nasa CGI mind!
if we are surrounded with round shaped Seas everywhere
it should be easy to prove that to be the case without swerving off subject,
into “space.”
so let’s “stick” with where we actually are…
I can show any honest, sighted person, how to prove my claim for themselves..
I get plenty of ridicule on various forums
but never any concrete evidence of what those throwing the ridicule around are claiming!
IE, that tonnes, and tonnes and trillions of tonnes,
of liquid water is magicly and behaving unlike liquid water in every other circumstance req
is clinging like cosmic custard to a giant ball spinning at an unnoticeable speed of thousand MPH or so…
and I’m the dingbat!??
@Simon Smith
how about the flat Atlantic Ocean bent round a ball?
you should be able to show us that quite easily…
after all,
there’s lots of actual evidence that we are living on a spinning ball isn’t there!
so maybe show us some?
no nasa CGI mind!
if we are surrounded with round shaped Seas everywhere
it should be easy to prove that to be the case without swerving off subject,
into “space.”
so let’s “stick” with where we actually are…
I can show any honest, sighted person, how to prove my claim for themselves..
I get plenty of ridicule on various forums
but never any concrete evidence of what those throwing the ridicule around are claiming!
IE, that tonnes, and tonnes and trillions of tonnes,
of liquid water is magicly clinging like cosmic custard to a giant ball spinning at an unnoticeable speed of thousand MPH or so…
and I’m the dingbat!??
AS USUAL, Yukon Jack’s post is the most sensible and I would go further and say that Abrahamic (Jewish, though in actuality they are turk/steppe tribes that never had a civilization and lived by theft)..Religions are the exact chronological and spiritual
Fall of Man.
Sorta related… compare “modern” man (peasants grovelling in the mud, tax slaves) to people a little over a century ago. I was watching an interesting documentary on the early days of flight, watching engineers (not from brainwash schooling, an engineer was someone who made something new with imagination and mechanical skill).. fly their own planes at least 50% of which crashed and killed them within the first few weeks, bystanders walking around the fires like “it happens, big deal”, another group casually walking under a plane 20 feet over their heads, getting blown sideways in the wind.
People were brave and fearless and they wouldn’t have stood for the shit-hole we live in today.. and stuff got done like crazy BEFORE the jews instigated taxes.
The Bhagavad Gita Krishna told Arjun, go out and kill (your relatives!), you’re not killing anyone and nobody is dying… also “leave all religions and be one with me”.
@ simon smith
Can’t help yourself from taking another jab at ” flat earthers ”
Comments were cut off before I could respond on previous thread https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=259965#respond. Your comment is second to last . Go back and read it.
Re:your comment on this thread
” It is a rhetorical trick that does disservice to the idea that ideas held should be corroborated or disproved by reason rather than by appealing to the gallery by the throwing guilt by association (of ideas). It is a dishonest way of arguing. ”
I agree wholeheartedly. That’s exactly the tactics you ball earther trolls resort to here regarding flat earth discussion.
Re: your previous comment — Comments were closed before I could post this. —
Simon Says — ” I cannot unlearn what I know just to limbo dance under your education level on these matters ”
Apropos, your usage of the limbo dance metaphor, because that’s what is necessary when attempting to defend the absurdity of the globe. One has to perform an Olympic level of illogical contortions / mental gymnastics in order to slide under the limbo stick of the empirically bankrupt globe earth . When referring to my education level , is that edJEWcation and globe earth PSYence or real world education which requires liberating / red pilling oneself from a lifetime of deception and propaganda fed to us from childhood by establishment institutions ? You have no problem contravening establishment ” education ” when it comes to myriad other issues, but when it comes to heliocentrism ,we should trust the science.
Simon says — ” . I could drive a horse and cart through your logical fallacies on the flat earth ”
Accusing me of logical fallacies while at the same time employing them yourself. Your comments as well as other globe earther trolls on this forum provide a delightful smorgasbord of logical fallacies when attempting to refute flat earth — ad hominem , strawman , appeal to authority , false dilemma , bandwagon / appeal to the masses et al. Dozens of irrefutable proofs have been posted on TTS by myself and others on multiple threads , but are ignored . Agitation , diversion , obfuscation is the response instead- typical Masonic tactics BTW.
The term flat earthER alone is one of ridicule and contempt. The usage of “er” as a suffix has a negative / derisive connotation , that’s why you and others incessantly repeat it. Similar examples used by propagandists are labeling those who question establishment narratives as “truthers” e.g. 9/11 truthers or referring to those who point out Obama’s foreign born status as ” birthers .” Another spook / troll smear is ” denier ” — holocaust denier , climate change denier , covid denier , and of course we always have the tried and true pillar of disinfo – the scornful label of conspiracy theorist.
Simon Says — ” I agree with you about ISIS and Hubble, but to argue the hoaxing of these equals some flat earth truth is just emotion based argument based on: if they lie to us about this then they are lying about everything.”
Limited hangout . Acknowledging the moon landing hoax, but maintaining space program is real is another classic LH often used by ballers. Your also employing strawman / slippery slope fallacies. I always draw conclusions based on evidence . I never assume anything to be true or untrue based on previous experience . Your reference to trusting ” education ” on heliocentrism — appeal to authority fallacy. Empirical proofs are not emotion based arguments . e.g. natural properties of water and real world observations that don’t conform to globe math.
Simon Says — ” It is sad that a genuine debater such as myself should meet with your disapproval when the majority of posters here will regard you flat earth views has below contempt and not bother with you. They laugh or smirk at you behind your back, but I respect you whatever your unjoined up thinking on this subject betrays ”
Typical condescension from ball earthers when they are unable to argue the evidence. Thanks for being magnanimous enough to indulge me on the subject when others wouldn’t degrade themselves by debating the subject – LOL None of the trolls here are laughing and smirking .just trolling. Denying math and the laws of nature are unjoined up thinking.
Simon Says — ” IMO it is a mark of maturity to realize that those that disagree with any of us on any particular of your own basket of beliefs ”
Sorry Dad , I’ll try to behave in a more mature manner in the future. Flat earth is not a belief , it can be proven empirically — observation and simple math alone — QED. Is it a sign a maturity to deny what an eight year old can understand ?
Simon Says — ” I concede there are litmus tests to a degree, but there are fine judgements to be made as well.”
I agree there are litmus test issues. and flat earth is one of them for me ,but only in this type of forum , not with the ignoranti / sheep. As previously stated , you and others commenting here are of obviously of high intelligence and have red pilled themselves on countless other issues. Overcoming cognitive dissonance / psychological hurdles should not be interfering with the process.of breaking the heliocentric spell . It’s highly implausible that those here cannot see through the blatantly obvious absurdity of helio – globe model.
Flat earth debate on this forum goes back a couple of years now. Those attempting to engage in rational, logical , polite exchanges regarding the subject are attacked and ridiculed. The trolls always revert to arguments regarding the psychology of flat earth , rather than arguing the evidence. I would be happy to engage in a solely scientific/ academic debate , instead of the ad hominem game, but the trolls won’t have it because they know they will lose and embarrass themselves in the process.
Simon Smith — here is link to previous post / comments
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=259965
Mr Guyenot accepts and adopts Netanyahu’s reading of the Bible, and pushes thus the Chabad.
https://archive.org/details/watch_europa/Europa+The+Last+Battle+(06)+(Part+5+of+10)++2017++720P.mp4?_=1
Yukon Jack–the OT contains a lot of different opinions, is far from monolithic; a lot of the time it is the Israelites being condemned for their “iniquity” and disobedience. They were meant to be an object lesson in obedience and success
And it’s well past time for that shit-golem Shmuley to get dragged through the streets by his ankles, get the ever living piss beaten out of him, then fed into a wood-chipper. Same with Kennedy now that he has revealed himself to be a sniveling supporter of treachery and treason.
Doubt if RFK Jr will even get the front running candidacy for the Democrats. Let alone become US President Elect late this year. This seems like it to me, because every time a Kennedy reaches the upper echelons of political power at some point. They are either completely demised or taken down. Primary example with his uncle JFK in ’63, along with his father RFK Sr in ’68, and his youngest uncle Ted Kennedy back in the Presidential Race of 1980.
It seems although the political cause of the Kennedys dynasty maybe just. Their family histrory seems to have them mired up to their necks in scandal and controversy.
They may be seen as aristocratic and political icons in the United States. Though there are still many Kennedy haters in the US Senate and other circles…..
@Markie
I wasn’t “jabbing at flat earthers”,
I was arguing against the idea and a way of arguing, not the man (you)…Please don’t take it personally…
@TeeJay
You are quite right to stick to your guns if you believe you are right…
And just like a fellow traveller of yours in this comments section, I will not judge you other posts on the basis of what you believe of the earth. I would of course invite you to extend the same courtesy to me on my articulations…
When I was a Flat Earther, from late May to early October 2015, I still knew FE had said nothing of significance, even in Dubay’s 50 proofs (which he calls 200), I just had been led to believe some new info would soon be released. In the nine years since then, I have been in no hurry to trash FE, because it is a psychological problem, and I can spin out the fun for years, and other people do the job already
@ Simon Smith
I don’t take it personally. The only reason I continue to debate the issue here is for the benefit of other neophyte conspiracy researchers who may be mislead by the Copernican Cult trolls like you.when perusing comments.
You were still clearly, but subtly ridiculing the concept of flat earth by using the term flat earther in your sentence. As stated in previous comment , the term flat earther alone is one of derision.
You’re lecturing those commenting here on the correct rules of engagement for debate while violating them at the same time . The endless deluge of contradictions /.hypocrisy on your part continues to provide a great source of entertainment for all here at TTS.
TeeJay correctly continues to pound the curved oceans dilemma. Somehow it’s discourteous on his part to bring this to your attention ? Explanations for this anomaly are still conspicuously lacking from your comments as well as other Helio Humper trolls on this forum . I know , I know … we deranged flat earthers should stop confusing the discussion with logic.
Cornelius describes the ‘turk/steppe tribes that never had a civilization and lived by theft’. This is a major aspect that needs to be investigated regarding the people now living in Israel. They also used to assume the identity of groups they had murdered and robbed
@Simon Smith
I don’t “believe” I’m right,
I am right.
liquid water once contained
won’t ever bend
its very structure does not allow for it…
extrapolate a perfectly straight Line and no matter how long stretched
it will remain perfectly straight…
the slightest deviation from straight will always describe a circle eventually.
The horizon viewed from any point on Earth against a perfectly straight edge
rule, spirit level… edge of a postcard…
{postcards “for” the edge}?
will always match up perfectly flat…
seems a daft thing to have to be banging on about
especially to truth seekers
but there you go…
I never get challenged on the subject of magic curly water ,
which is odd as we are surrounded by all this bendy water
upon which when we sail, we sail up and down the oceans briny hills,
should be easy enough from the earth to show forth the phenomenon of water that can stick to something spinning or hover or whatever grabbity does…film fotos vids etc??
we’re always upside down to someone upon its watery hills and dales directly above us… or is it underneath us?
as we whirl in perpetual spin cycle on 5the outside of the invisible cosmic brain washing machine constructed completely of the blind religious faith in the heads of people that having woken up to father xmas once
wont ever get fooled again!
just because they have been told something over and over and over……for all of their lives.
A very interesting exchange of ideas, although, if I might say so, “attitude” isn’t a tranche of reasoning favoured by the Socratic method.
My opinion is that neither of the competing models of geodesy can be proven with certainty.
I have remained consistent on this: I trust the ancients over and above the moderns and therefore I believe that the Earth is more likely a plane than a sphere.
I can’t prove it though and I despair when, my otherwise intelligent friends, find cause for recrimination in that which is too nebulous for disputation.
I’ve got a lot of crystals in my house. I’ve been a student of mineralogy for over two decades. If we take crystal formation as a primary expression of matter, then there is no reason whatsoever why the Earth cannot be cubic, octohedronal, columnar, buckyballed or pyramidal.
Just a few things, Laurent Guyeno is cherry picking Torah verses, which he fully does not understand, nor does he understand that the Khazarian Mafia (KM) refer to the teachings of the Babylonian Talmud as their source. The Talmud has precedence over the Torah. Their god is Moloch, the Saturn god of Satanism. See:
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=276887 (VIDEO) 150K Jews Gather in Chicago For Child Sacrifice Ritual – First President of Israel in Attendance by tts-admin | Nov 30, 2023
The KM’s bloodthirst for non-Jews need not repeating, explained in my comment, Jan 20 – Satanic Suicide in Slow Motion by tts-admin | Jan 21, 2024.
Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury under President Ronald Reagan with an extensive journalism background nicely summarised the sad turn in direction by RFK Jr., who initially gathered quite a following with his defence of children:
We Need Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., But He Killed Enthusiasm for Him Posted Feb. 9, 2024:
Next, Roberts summarises Jewish persecution of David Irving, an excellent historian, with a link to another article Roberts wrote, worth reading. Truth does not matter to the KM. Rightly did the Jesus state,
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44 (KJV)
Roberts continues with,
Unfortunately, all western nations, British commonwealth included: AU, BE, CA, ES, FR, IT, NL, NZ, US and etc. are now captured nations. The tares (unproductive weed plants in Matthew 13:27-30 parable) have evidenced themselves by their wicked deeds now in plain sight before all to see, especially with the on-going life sustaining facility and infrastructure destruction in Gaza and thwarting all other nations in helping the imprisoned Palestinians, and their worldwide support of strange flesh. (Tel Aviv is the Gay Capital of the Middle East.) Perhaps we are not far from seeing G*d removing these tares.
Woe to them that devise iniquity and work evil upon their beds! When the morning is light, they execute it, because it is in the power of their hand. And they covet fields, and seize them; and houses, and take them away; thus they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage. Therefore thus saith HaShem: Behold, against this family do I devise an evil, from which ye shall not remove your necks, neither shall ye walk upright; for it shall be an evil time. Micah 2:1-3 (Jewish Publication Society)
@ andyay
As stated previously , I would be more that happy to engage in solely scientific/ academic debate absent insult and accusation of questionable character.or sinister motivations. However, the baller trolls won’t have it. You’ve seen the discussion in past threads . Empirical proofs are ignored in favor of ad hominem attacks and other logical fallacies and rhetorical games.
Your claim that you cannot prove globe or flat earth is disingenuous and there is nothing nebulous about the natural properties of water and observational evidence that both irrefutably disprove the globe. The surface of the ocean has to be flat because it’s a body of water, it has to be contained because a body of water cannot exist without containment. If a body of water could exist without containment, there would be no need for pool builders . One could simply run a hose out in the backyard and build up a water cube to swim in.
Appreciate and respect your commentary on this forum , usually enjoy reading your posts. However this issue is not matter of opinion , where we can agree to disagree. The heliocentric model is absurd and I don’t accept that otherwise highly intelligent , red pill / awake contributors posting here don’t get it. Therefore, my conclusion is those defending the globe are trolls.
Cui bono, the following is just in, https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/03/no_author/robert-kennedy-chooses-as-vp-the-world-economic-forum/
I have the greatest respect for you, Markie. You have excellent rhetorical skills and you’re an accomplished writer. Nonetheless, I hold that skepticism is healthy.
Do we really understand the electromagnetic essence of water? Water can be bent by magnetic fields.
What propensities of magnetism does sodium chloride bring to water?
Why is the River Ganges one of the purest water sources on Earth, despite the fact, that dead animal carcasses and faeces float down it daily?
Well, it’s got something to do with nigh on, a billion Hindus, giving thanks and loving prayer to the mighty torrent everyday. You know about Masuro Emoto. Water is satisfyingly mysterious.
I have been advocating for the health benefits of H2O2 at this website for a good few years now. Oxygenated water has different magnetic susceptibility from H2O. There is always an “X Factor.” The waters at Lourdes are H2O2.
Anyway, I’m largely on your side, you know.