Times of Israel – Feb 16, 2024
Israel’s military intelligence circulated a document to Israeli leaders this week warning that even if the IDF succeeds in dismantling Hamas as an organized military force in Gaza, it will survive as “a terror group and a guerrilla group,” according to a Channel 12 report aired Thursday evening.
The document, drawn up by the research division of IDF Military Intelligence, reportedly also states that “authentic support remains” for Hamas among Gazans.
Given that there is currently no practical effort being made to put in place a plan for Gaza on the “day after” the war, the document further warns, “Gaza will become an area in deep crisis.”
Channel 12 investigative journalist Ilana Dayan reported that the document was presented on Monday to Israel’s political echelon, after it was discussed last weekend by senior IDF officers, Shin Bet officials and members of the National Security Council.
The “bottom line” is that the document constitutes a warning from those in military intelligence who carry out such assessments, said Dayan, that “Hamas will survive this [IDF] campaign as a terror group and a guerrilla group.”
“In this regard, at least,” she suggested, “there won’t be absolute victory” — as predicted and demanded by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu since the start of the war.
The IDF Spokesman’s Office declined to comment on the TV report.
While Israeli officials have consistently publicly declared the goal of the war to be wiping out Hamas from the Strip, many countries and officials around the world have warned that it is not a feasible outcome.
US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said in November that while Israel can dramatically reduce the threat from Hamas, eliminating the group and its ideology is likely impossible.
“What we have learned through our own experiences, that through military and other means you can absolutely have a significant impact on terrorist groups ability to resource itself, to train fighters, to recruit fighters, to plan to execute attacks,” Kirby told reporters.
“It doesn’t mean that the ideology withers away and die,” he said, a sentiment he repeated again last month.
A poll released in December and conducted during the weeklong truce in late November showed that 57% of respondents in Gaza believed Hamas’s October 7 onslaught was justified, and 42% of those in the Strip support the terror group overall.
From the start of the war, IDF chief Herzi Halevi has generally spoken of “dismantling” rather than eliminating or eradicating Hamas, a term implicitly acknowledging that even a protracted war will not be able to destroy every military and terror threat from the Strip.
The assessment that Hamas will withstand Israel’s war aimed at its destruction is shared by Arab stakeholders in the region who met last week to advance a joint plan for Gaza’s reconstruction after the fighting ends.
Saudi Arabia, which hosted the meeting, invited Qatar to participate in a nod to Doha’s influence over Hamas whose political leaders it hosts.
The Arab countries that participated in last week’s meeting don’t want Hamas to be included in the political leadership of Gaza after the war, but they do believe that the terror group will manage to survive in some form and that a level of its acquiescence will be needed in order to successfully advance the rehabilitation of Gaza, a senior diplomat told The Times of Israel.
churchllls attacks on dresden killed more that 500.000 german civilians mostly women and children
all killed by the British army guardians of the jews.
It was the worst massacre of all time
Due to the extreme heat of the incendiary bombs dropped, the environment was deprived of oxegen
and many people suffocated and were mummified
British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan said to cover for this mass atrocity the holocaust myth was developed
Truck loads of bodies were taken and photographed to build the story of the jewish holocaust
British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan said to cover for this mass atrocity the holocaust myth was developed
COMING MIGRANTS COST THE UK £1.24 BILLION PER DAY
Free NHS and dental care
Free transportation
Free flights to UK city of choice
Free Food
Free Hotel rooms
Free gift cards cell phones etc
Free various entitlement programmes
enough is enough no more
DONT LET ANYONE TELL YOU THIS BEGAN ON OCT 7 2024
1 Haifa masdacre 1937
2 Jeruslem massacre 1937
3 Haifa masacre 1938
4 Balab al-sheik massacre 1938
5 Haifa massacre 1938
6 Haifa massacre 1947
7 Abbas ya Massacre 1947
8 Al-Khissas massacre 1947
9 Bab Al yamin masacre 1947
10 Jerusalem massacre 1947
11 Sheilk buralek massacre 1947
12 jaffa massacre 1948
13 Kan unis massacre 1956
14 Jerusalem masacre 1967
15 Sabre & Shatila massacres 1982
15 Al Asqua massacre 1990
16 Ibrahimi mosque massacre 1994
17 jenin refugee camp masacres april 2002
18 gaza refugee camp massacres 2008
19 gaza massacres 2012
20 gaza and west bank massacres 2021
Gaza massacres sill ongoing women and children main targets
your UK government is helping in these mass murders
Of course, it will last as long as they need it.
Of course the operation has ahem ‘failed’.
…at least this will be the cover story…How else can they excusably occupy their new territory now thst they have gone to the trouble of flattening it all and having winnowed the breeding and future population for all that juicy redevelopment and New Silk Road largess…’THE Commercial ‘Center’…
..Ham ass will of course become their own little Bin Laden (they already are), fully owned and always one step ahead because that’s the game and because of course he never existed either (Tim Osman Bush family business partner and useful bogey man for the ahem ‘Families’)…
..and in more ways than one… because if you listen that’s what they are actually saying..
Deary me..
Good. I hope they never give up.
These Moslems are a traitorous lot..hopefully that’s because of all the Anglo Zion subterfuge over the years and not because they are bunch of backstabbing bastards with a cowards thirst for murder.. and an affinity for ‘jewes’..
Of course the rest of are no better… but they’ve yet to encounter the slaughter..that is if you don’t count lining up like a drooling credulous cretin to be injected with poison as slaughter.
…so we will see…
Although I’m not particularly hopeful…
But, the real terrorists are the evil imposters/occupiers – nutyaho and the IDF and all those that support this genocide against the indigenous Palestinians including the neocons in Washington DC. It is believed that this whole genocide was planned along with Hamas. The set goal is to thin out the Palestinian population by murdering many and others will be moved to the Sinai desert( Sisi is getting big money) and very few will be left if any. This was all planned ahead of Oct.7. Remember the imposters have been at it since year 1948.
IDF says Hamas will survive as a “terror group” post war. Terror Group? Is the IDF familiar with the three words – pot, kettle, black?
Israel needs Hamas like Big Brother needs Emmanuel Goldstein…
The modern globalist state needs false or created enemies in order to pursue the dialectic. This principle as true in warfare and politics. Totalitarianism cannot be beaten by an attempted feeble symmetry that can in no way match the deep pockets of the status quo.
Our only weapon is Truth. This is the long run proposition that renounces immediate material gratification for ease of conscience and a equanimity when approaching death that the psychopaths can never know. The Enemy, as the better part of the Christian narrative states, are “already judged”.
The IDF can’t take casualties. Kill plenty of IDF and they’ll quit. Hezbollah will end it if they become fully engaged. I’d love to see real missiles rain down on Tel Aviv and turn it to rubble. Kill as many settlers as possible. The Jews occupying Palestine will FLEE to their western surrogate nations.
This is the best chance ever to liberate Palestine. Pull out all the stops!
Odd how all the ‘hamas members’ have their faces obscured with black paint in the photo above, or you’ll see them always masked.. Is that because they’re actually Israelies or Americans/Brits dressed up as ‘hamas’ for these publicity/photo shoots??
Simon Smith on February 17, 2024 at 2:53 pm
Something I hold as a Given – our only weapon is Truth.
This does tie in with proper no – nonsense Christianity.
I bet the Mossad-CIA-MI6-FSB produces those uniforms ‘Hamas’ is wearing.
‘Machiavelli on February 17, 2024 at 3:42 pm
Odd how all the ‘hamas members’ have their faces obscured with black paint in the photo above, or you’ll see them always masked.. Is that because they’re actually Israelies or Americans/Brits dressed up as ‘hamas’ for these publicity/photo shoots??’
Good grief, YES! They not only don’t look remotely Arab, they look more Aryan than Aryan Thunderbird Puppets.
But that would never have occurred to me independently if I saw that on the ‘news’ – all it would take is the voiceover to say ‘this is hamas’ and my brain would fit the picture to the words .
Article opening statement:
It is interesting how one terrorist organisation, the oppressor can call the other, their imprisoned victim a terrorist, when it is the other way around.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that change darkness into light, and light into darkness; that change bitter into sweet, and sweet into bitter! … That justify the wicked for a reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! Isaiah 5:20,23 (Jewish Publication Society)
How are the Pharisaic Khazarian Mafia (KM – Gog) terrorists?
The KM have a long history of its terrorist activities, engaged in global terrorism, reshaping parcels of former peaceful kingdoms into carved up factions fighting for existence, to increase its wealth. A commenter above succinctly stated,
Indeed that is an understated fact. The Jewish organisation, The International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) had this to say in a short summary paper, Israel’s Worldwide Role in Repression downloadable in multiple languages at:
https://israelglobalrepression.wordpress.com/download/
When following the money, it is recognised that much of today’s world’s turmoils are over the KM gaining ownership of the valuable mineral and petroleum resources, with not a cent in royalties to the rightful owners, the peoples of the nations, to whom such rights exist. Most recent example is:
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=278929 Behind Israel’s ‘end game’ for Gaza: Theft of offshore gas reserves by tts-admin/Betsey Piette | Dec 27, 2023
Gaza is also a proving ground for weapons testing and tactics development, so the KM can sell that knowledge to other “customers” worldwide. The so-called War on Terrorism needs to be nipped at the source of the problem, not the mestasticised after-symptoms thereof. This terrorism is not created by the Arabs. Rather, it is stirred up by KM’s experimental pet project called, Israel.
The IJAN paper states further,
The rest of the paper makes for interesting reading of the KM supporting wars in Central and South America, Africa, Southeast Asia, and various other parts of the world.
According to https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=281900 Report: Israel elite soldiers refuse to return to Gaza by tts-admin/Middle East Monitor | Feb 16, 2024:
There may be a plausible reason for the mental illness of IDF members who consciences have not been fully seared yet. Besides the blatant, callous murdering of Gaza’s innocent women and children, it could be very possible that the victims as well as the IDF are being used as props for testing new ammunition, tactics and weaponry in the Gaza “Weapons Proving Ground,” that will be sold to other nations.
This is plausible. Consider that the US Middle-East veterans have the highest of suicide rates in the world. They participated in attacking Arab innocents, to include the news reporters murdered in Iraq, falsely labeled as insurgents.
Julian Assange, Australian in doing his proper, diligent professional journalism, exposed this 2007 truth in videos and other documents on Wiki-Leaks. As a result he is now silenced, incarcerated during the past decade in a maximum security UK jail without proper adjudication, as required by law.
‘All lies’: how the US military covered up gunning down two journalists in Iraq, The Guardian | 14 Jun 2020
The KM have no respect for the sovereignty of national laws, bypassing them to suit their own murderous Bolshevik agendas. Indeed they are the “Synagogue of Satan” (John 8:44.)
This goes to show that the Western World and portions of the Eastern World are colluders and perpetrators in synchronisation with the KM.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive* the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV)
* Mossad: “By deception, thou shalt do war.”
@Guy Reid-Brown
This is the thing though mate, everyone who subscribes to an off the peg top-down created belief system regards themselves as the sole the arbiter of what their preferred religion should be.
I would be quite happy to call myself a “Christian” in respect of the New Testament’s twin commandments given by the character described as Jesus. But this is the problem. Since I regard Jesus as a construct, I know it wouldn’t be good enough to become any sort of “card carrier”. I can see value in Christian mythology as I see value in Greek mythology. No reasonable person can deny the beauty of St Pauls letter to the Corinthians extolling love. It strikes a chord, like all good prose.
Further, I know how that anyone who believes in anything but the undiluted fundamentalism of the Bible — notwithstanding problems with translation and what “literal” really means — will be disregarded by more “principled” Churches. There is an interesting parallel with nationalism whereby the more extreme position garners more kudos. The drive to promote fundamentalism has unfortunately become a political tool to announce one’s worth above those who reject the Virgin birth and Noah’s Ark carrying the only survivors of a flood.
I absolutely guarantee that every single person confessing a principled or fundamentalist take on their chosen faith will not agree with their fellow subscribers. Bottom line; if there are x million Christians in the world, there will be x million denominations.
The writers of the religious texts were poets. Poets only reflect Truth. They may inspire those people whose intellect qualifies them for a path of faith, but not a path of knowledge. In my experience the people of faith view the world in black and white. I’m not condemning people of faith, but I feel as though the TTS is such a rare and welcome resource that the bar has to be set high for the discourses we all partake in.
reply to Machiavelli on February 17, 2024 at 3:42 pm:
It is not rocket science. They have their faces covered to conceal their identity. How could you identify the different faces between israelis and palestinians? They are, in many cases, the SAME people. There are really no big differences between them. There are ginger jews who lived in northern latitudes, and there are also ginger palestinians and lebanese (they have mixed blood, from the Romans and many other groups who lived in the region historically).. Some palestinians are darker-skinned, but there are also many dark-skin jews who come from moslem countries. If you read the quran, you will learn how many of the moslem arabs in the “Middle East” today were, hundreds of years ago, yids. Yes, they are genetically the same as the yids, so jews don’t need to paint their faces black to pretend to be palestinians. Besides, before 1948 the yids living in that area were also called “palestinians”. At that time the were referred to as “palestinian jews” or “jewish palestinians”. They are like family fighting against eachother. They should all just learn to live in peace with each-other. If they cannot live in peace, then a practical solution would be a”transfer” of population, as has occurred in many places throughout history (such as with pakistan-India). Leaving all the passions aside, people should just accept the most practical solution that will bring abetter future for new generations. In my opinion, the palestinian arabs west of the Jordan River should be COMPENSATED and they should be offered a new in in Jordan. Before 1923, present day “Jordan” was unilaterally separated from the Palestine mandate by the British authorities. They created a new separate administration EAST of the River, which they named as “Trans-Jordan”, and today is known as “Jordan”. It is undeniable that today there already are 2 separate independent sovereign states within the original territory of “The Mandate for Palestine”….. All educated Arabs are fully aware of these facts and they will do everything to avoid mentioning it as they are terrified of its implications. Such a state would pose a direct threat to the so-called “moderate” Arab states in the region, such as Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. It would destabilize the entire Middle East. (Most modern Arab nations are simply proxies created by the British in order to divide them for easier control, following the long-standing British policy of “Divide and Rule). Perhaps for these reasons the Jordanians who occupied “The West bank” after the 1948 War never attempted to create “A Palestinian State, and equally the Egyptians who occupied gaza in the same period never attempted to create “A Palestinian State” in that area. If “the jews are a farce, the idea of “a Palestinian nation” is even more historically inaccurate. Israel is also fully complicit in covering up this history, as the Israeli political elite has historically supported a “docile” but STABLE political situation in present-day Jordan. Israel has also aided the Jordanian government to defend itself against attempted coups organized by the PLO and other palestinian nationalist groups”. If the israeli political elite openly and publicly confirm that “Jordan is the Palestinian Arab State”, then they will have to accept that the palestinian arabs in Jordan have a right to be ruled by entities such as “HAMAS”, as HAMAS has significant support amongst many Arabs in the historical area of “MANDATE PALESTINE”, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER JORDAN…. Can you imagine the implications of a Hamas-ruled state in what is today called “Jordan”???? …. With a modern army?; With a powerful air-force? With ballistic missiles?; With heavy artillery?; With THOUSANDS OF TANKS???; With the sovereign right to craft alliances and defence treaties with other sovereign states, such as Iran? This is the reason why today only a very small minority of israelis dare to mention the historical fact that the moslim arabs of palestine already have a fully sovereign state within the territory historically known as “Palestine”. The isreali political elite refuse to mention these historical facts as it would imply that they would have to accept an Islamic “Iran-style” state on their eastern border !!!!! Maintaining the artificial state of “Jordan” as a passive buffer state is by far the preferable option for Israel !!!! For this reason, Israel and all the “moderate” Arab states are complicit in covering this up. Also, the conflict between the israelis & palestinians is NOT a religious problem. The parties in conflict simply use religion as an excuse. (In practical terms there is very little difference between a “jew” and a “moslem”. Their belief systems are almost identical). It is purely a POLITICAL problem and if any solution is possible it can only be a political settlement based upon the facts, not based upon religious passions.
The Jews have done the Plasticstains a big favour, because all they like doing is complain about their stupid lives
Wise words Simon
“IDF intel assesses that Hamas will ‘survive as terror group’ post-war” … Alright, lest pretend for a moment we don’t know Hamas was apparently created and funded by Israhell as some controlled opposition bogey man, factions of which probably got well out of their control, but whatever.. Anyone with cognitive abilities above that of a turnip should be able to clearly recognize it is the IDF that is the “terror group” in that equation, and Jewry the most evil and insidious terror group on a global scale.
reply to Machiavelli on February 17, 2024 at 3:42 pm:
It is not rocket science. They have their faces covered to conceal their identity. How could you identify the different faces between israelis and palestinians? They are, in many cases, the SAME people. There are really no big differences between them. There are ginger jews who lived in northern latitudes, and there are also ginger palestinians and lebanese (they have mixed blood, from the Romans and many other groups who lived in the region historically).. Some palestinians are darker-skinned, but there are also many dark-skin jews who come from moslem countries. If you read the quran, you will learn how many of the moslem arabs in the “Middle East” today were, hundreds of years ago, yids. Yes, they are genetically the same as the yids, so jews don’t need to paint their faces black to pretend to be palestinians. Besides, before 1948 the yids living in that area were also called “palestinians”. At that time the were referred to as “palestinian jews” or “jewish palestinians”. They are like family fighting against each other. They should all just learn to live in peace with each-other. If they cannot live in peace, then a practical solution would be a”transfer” of population, as has occurred in many places throughout history (such as with pakistan-India). Leaving all the passions aside, people should just accept the most practical solution that will bring abetter future for new generations. In my opinion, the palestinian arabs west of the Jordan River should be COMPENSATED and they should be offered a new life in Jordan. Before 1923, present day “Jordan” was unilaterally separated from the Palestine mandate by the British authorities. They created a new separate administration EAST of the River, which they named as “Trans-Jordan”, and today is known as “Jordan”. It is undeniable that today there already are 2 separate independent sovereign states within the original territory of “The Mandate for Palestine”….. All educated Arabs are fully aware of these facts and they will do everything to avoid mentioning it as they are terrified of its implications. Such a state would pose a direct threat to the so-called “moderate” Arab states in the region, such as Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. It would destabilize the entire Middle East. (Most modern Arab nations are simply proxies created by the British in order to divide them for easier control, following the long-standing British policy of “Divide and Rule). Perhaps for these reasons the Jordanians who occupied “The West bank” after the 1948 War never attempted to create “A Palestinian State, and equally the Egyptians who occupied gaza in the same period never attempted to create “A Palestinian State” in that area. If “the jews are a farce, the idea of “a Palestinian nation” is even more historically inaccurate. Israel is also fully complicit in covering up this history, as the Israeli political elite has historically supported a “docile” but STABLE political situation in present-day Jordan. Israel has also aided the Jordanian government to defend itself against attempted coups organized by the PLO and other palestinian nationalist groups”. If the israeli political elite openly and publicly confirm that “Jordan is the Palestinian Arab State”, then they will have to accept that the palestinian arabs in Jordan have a right to be ruled by entities such as “HAMAS”, as HAMAS has significant support amongst many Arabs in the historical area of “MANDATE PALESTINE”, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER JORDAN…. Can you imagine the implications of a Hamas-ruled state in what is today called “Jordan”???? …. With a modern army?; With a powerful air-force? With ballistic missiles?; With heavy artillery?; With THOUSANDS OF TANKS???; With the sovereign right to craft alliances and defence treaties with other sovereign states, such as Iran? This is the reason why today only a very small minority of israelis dare to mention the historical fact that the moslim arabs of palestine already have a fully sovereign state within the territory historically known as “Palestine”. The isreali political elite refuse to mention these historical facts as it would imply that they would have to accept an Islamic “Iran-style” state on their eastern border !!!!! Maintaining the artificial state of “Jordan” as a passive buffer state is by far the preferable option for Israel !!!! For this reason, Israel and all the “moderate” Arab states are complicit in covering this up. Also, the conflict between the israelis & palestinians is NOT a religious problem. The parties in conflict simply use religion as an excuse. (In practical terms there is very little difference between a “jew” and a “moslem”. Their belief systems are almost identical). It is purely a POLITICAL problem and if any solution is possible it can only be a political settlement based upon the facts, not based upon religious passions.
“terror group” and “guerrillas”, to give you the right to keep killing them, of course, like when the Jews say that all Germans are still Nazis, and even that all White people are
The “truth” is not telling lies, which is an easily discernible imperative in our day-to-day undertakings.
When we frame “truths” in terms of ideas, however, abstractions extrude.
What we call “truths” are quite often extrapolations of a core subjectivity that we favour.
Most Marxists believe that they’re speaking the truth, which is frustrating for those of us who know otherwise.
The history of ideas and objective truth have been lousy bedfellows, since, at least, the times of Plotinus.
For truth to be worthy within the world of ideas, it must be anchored in morality.
I believe that truth, ultimately, is best defined as the highest expression of moral wholesomeness.