- Israel shifting approach amid US warnings on civilian losses
- Massive land invasion could inflame entire Mideast region
Ethan Bronner and Henry Meyer – Bloomberg Oct 19, 2023
An Israeli tank burns on the Gaza/Israel border.
Last Saturday, with Israel still in shock from the deadly attack by Hamas a week earlier, the military said it was preparing “coordinated strikes from the air, sea and land” to eradicate the group in Gaza.
But by midweek, military spokesmen were suggesting that a ground offensive “might be something different from what you think.” It could start later and last longer, unfolding in unexpected ways, they said.
In between was a series of unprecedented visits by top US officials, including the secretaries of state and defense and President Joe Biden. Wrapped in their embrace of Israel’s pain after the deadliest attack in decades and promises to send warships and weapons was a message of caution about how to respond.
The US shares Israel’s goal of destroying Hamas’s military infrastructure in Gaza. That’s only possible with a ground invasion, since the group, designated by the US and EU as a terrorist organization, has spent decades building networks of tunnels and other emplacements.
But the US influence is already shaping the way that assault will be conducted – particularly how to limit casualties among the 2 million civilians who live in Gaza – and the government’s planning for what happens when it’s over, according to Israeli officials and people close to the government.
Three senior Israeli officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, say the role and influence of the US in this war against Hamas are deeper and more intense than any exerted by Washington in the past.
The US has grown increasingly concerned that Israel’s invasion could draw in Iran-backed Hezbollah. That could open a second front in the war and sparking a broader conflict that would draw the US in further and demolish the Biden administration’s efforts to stabilize the region by making peace between Israel and key Arab countries.
“President Biden is focused on reducing the chance of this war spreading to another front,” Foreign Minister Eli Cohen said in an interview. “This is his main goal.”
The US has grown increasingly concerned that Israel’s invasion could draw in Iran-backed Hezbollah. That could open a second front in the war and sparking a broader conflict that would draw the US in further and demolish the Biden administration’s efforts to stabilize the region by making peace between Israel and key Arab countries.
“President Biden is focused on reducing the chance of this war spreading to another front,” Foreign Minister Eli Cohen said in an interview. “This is his main goal.”
In an Oval Office address Thursday night, Biden appealed to Americans to support Israel and Ukraine, arguing that Hamas and Russia “both want to completely annihilate a neighboring democracy.”
Israelis teared up watching Biden’s statements and warm hugs of survivors. But his sympathy was paired with a warning.
“Justice must be done,” Biden said. “But I caution that, while you feel that rage, don’t be consumed by it. After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. While we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes.”
In a first, Biden and Blinken sat in on Israel’s war cabinet meetings, helping Netanyahu, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and opposition leader Benny Gantz assess and plan.
The night before Biden’s visit, there was a deadly blast at a Gaza hospital. Arab governments quickly embraced Hamas’s claim that Israel was behind the attack and protesters took to the streets across the Mideast. But Biden endorsed the Israeli account which blamed a failed rocket launch by a militant group.
Israeli armour masses on the border with Gaza on Wednesday Oct 18, 2023, awaiting orders. Click to enlarge
Even as the US has sent two aircraft-carrier groups to the eastern Mediterranean and put troops on alert, Biden and other officials have underlined the importance of limiting civilian casualties. In Tel Aviv, the US president pushed Netanyahu’s government to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza, where civilians are trapped with dwindling supplies of food and water and subject to regular Israeli airstrikes. The first shipments from Egypt could come as early as Friday, according to US officials.
“Biden is determined that there is a need to defeat Hamas, but he also wants to keep the strategic alliances and peace treaties between Israel and Arab countries and widen them, to deepen the American leadership in the Middle East,” said Major General (Reserve) Amos Gilead, a former top Defense Ministry official. “That’s why the humanitarian dimension is so important.”
US officials have said they hope to continue efforts to normalize relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia, though the war with Hamas threatens to derail them. That deal would include US security guarantees for both countries. What has emerged this week with the US is a de facto version of such a pact, a top Israeli official indicated.
Michael Oren, a former ambassador to Washington for Netanyahu, said Biden is pushing Israel to use more caution both when it goes into Gaza on the ground and as it responds to increasing attacks from Iran-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon.
“This puts Bibi in a difficult position,” Oren said. “The bill for this one will come due the day after the war,” he said. The US will likely press Netanyahu to bring Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas into Gaza and restore efforts for a two-state solution, he said.
On Wednesday, Cohen suggested that Israel is likely to seek to create a buffer zone around Gaza, rather than occupying the territory completely.
The plan for the war is closely held and still in formation but the initial goal is reflected in the fact that Israel ordered 1.1 million Palestinians to evacuate the northern part of the strip, which includes Gaza City.
“It’s an impossible situation. Israel wants to provide security to its citizens and restore deterrence and in order to do so, it seems for Israel unavoidable that it will continue to kill a lot of civilians,” said Mairav Zonszein, senior analyst on Israel at the International Crisis Group.
Still, Netanyahu’s government is receptive to the US message, according to Manuel Trajtenberg, executive director of the Tel Aviv-based Institute for National Security Studies, a think tank. Israeli troops will stage a ground operation into the north where Hamas is headquartered and where they will likely hold the ground, with a more surgical approach in the southern part, he said.
“Israel needs legitimacy for a long time because this is not going to be a short operation,” he said.
Israel is likely to send in specialized forces trained in urban warfare, backed by regular troops and with close air support, to go from door to door to door and try to eliminate or capture Hamas leaders, according to Bilal Saab, a former Pentagon official responsible for military cooperation in the region.
“Israel’s generals are under no illusion that they can ‘wipe out Hamas,’” said Bilal, now a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute in Washington.
Meanwhile the sleepy Arabs are shouting Allahu Akbar and the Christians are looking for a way to create peace, our Israelis are building up together with their American slaves a big assault group to clean the new lands of Israel and start building.. As planned… (With a special thanks to Hamas. Without them this would not have been possible).
Yes, we are all talking and sleeping and our globalists are pushing the domino stones.. Even if we know what is planned…
Just think, if Nazi Germany won WWII you would now have peace in the middle east–instead of an interminable inter-semitic conflict of deranged mongrel Jews & Muslims dominating the news headlines.
The only sheeple shocked were low level Nazi Jews.
It really doesn’t need saying, but NWO NATO Nazis knew exactly what they were doing.
Nazi Israel is a sitting member of Nazi NATO. They take part in the highest Nazi NATO meetings. Don’t believe this bull shit that Israel, the CIA/ NSA, MI6, GCHQ, and Five Eyes didn’t know what was going on.
The next point. Bibi the crook has gutted systems which claimed Israel was a democracy. The Israeli legal system is no longer independent and very hard-line Nazis are now holding key positions that could see Jews killing each other in a civil war.
Middle Eastern nations will have told Nazi Amerika that they won’t standby and watch Gaza burn.
The real reasons for delay are three fold. A genuine fear that IDF forces will get slaughtered. Arab states won’t sit and watch the show. That Hezbollah will open a second front, and Iran will directly join the war.
Not only can Iran hit targets in Israel, including the nuclear facility near Dimona. If directly attacked, Iran has well worked plans which could close the Strait of Hormuz. The price of oil will pass the $1000 pb easily, and TSH could remain closed for a very long time.
Forget Nazi US caution. They’ve had their fantasy cult planning sessions, and they’ve left most of the important points out of their plans.
This is pure Nazi desperation at losing in UKraine. I am not convinced two carrier strike groups are there for Hezbollah and Iran.
Sarmat is now in mass production, just so those who don’t believe. lol
I’ve read, and I will say, it’s not clear, but Israel says that when it’s looooog military operation in Gaza is completed, Israel intends to ‘relinquished its responsibility for life in Gaza’.
While this is just a fake news ramble, it does have huge implications.
There’s still going to be some life left in Gaza, and if Israel wants nothing to do with Gaza, and doesn’t do it’s usual land stealing, then Gaza must become a state in its own right, and in theory, Iran could rebuild Gaza, and build their own naval port? lol
I’m just shooting the breeze, but this is claimed to be the 3rd phase of their 3 phase Gaza blood bath.
in your illution. before that happend your soldiers would run away in disarray and your people weeping in the street asking for ceasefire and kicking Netanyahu.
“Justice must be done,” the wise and learned elder of Lion (Lie on), the most Honorable Judge, President of the GREATEST democracy on earth, Joe Bribem said.
T’was the night before Biden’s visit, there was a deadly blast at a Gaza hospital. Protesters took to the streets across the Mideast. But Bidon endorsed the absurd israeli account which blamed a failed rocket launch by a militant group.
In a fit, Biden blinked and Blinken lied as they shat in Israel’s whore cabinet, letting Netanyahu, Demense Minister Yoav Gallstein and fake opposition leader Penny Pantz assess their asses.
Even as the US has sent two aircraft-carrier pigeons to the eastern Editerranean and put their bird brains on alert, Buydem and other pathological liars and supreme nutcases have underlined the importance of limiting the publicity around civilian casualties. In Hel Aviv, Netanyahu pushed the US Pretendant’s illegitimate and hyper-criminal junta to bomb humanitarian aid in Gaza, where civilians are trapped with dwindling supplies of food and water and subject to regular israeli devastating bombing. The first shipments of poisoned food from Egypt could come as early as Friday, according to US warmongers.
Voltman for DISASSOCIATED PRESS
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https://grizzom.blogspot.com/2023/10/live-ragecast-385-herz-aus-stahl-raging.html
Joe Briben’s Influence Peddling Turns israhel’s Ground Hog War Plans Into ‘Something Defferent’
DISASSOCIATED PRESS – “Boden is determined that there is a weed to defeat Hamas, but he also wants to keep the tragic alliances and piss treaties between israel and Arab countries and biden them, to cheepen the Americon dealership in the Fiddle East,” leaked Minor General Amas Gileak, a top Offense Ministry offishill. “That’s why the human animalitarian dimension is so important.”
US offishills have said they hope to continue efforts to warmalize relations between israel and Shoddi Arabia, though the massacre of Palestinians threatens to derail them.
Michael Foren, a former embossador to BrainWashington for Netanyaju, said Boden is pushing israel to use less caution both when it goes into Gaza on the ground and as it responds to increasing attacks from Iran-backed Hezbolaw in Lecanon.
“This puts Bibi & The Jets in a difficult position,” Boren said. “The bill for this one will come due the day after the war,” he said. The US will likely press Netanyuju to bring Palestindian Authority President Mamouth Habbas into Gaza and bury efforts for a two-state solution, he did not say.
On Whensday, Cohen suggested that israel is likely to sneek to create a bluffer zone around Gaza, rather than occufrying the territory completely.
The plan for the massacre is closely held and still in formation but the initial gall is reflected in the fact that israel ordered 1.1 million Palestindians to evacuate the northern part of the strip, which includes Gaza City, and then proceeded to bomb them and their escape routes as they fled.
“It’s an impassible shituation. israel wants to provide security to its chitizens and restore deferrence and in order to do so, it seems for israel unavoidable that it may have to kill Gazillions,” said Maihav Zionstein, senile analist on israel at the International ISIS Group.
Voltman for DISASSOCIATED PRESS
So Douglas McGregor has come out since my earlier comments and says what I say. Biden commits to wider war, and both Egypt and Turkey (NATO member) could be dragged into a war against the US.
The Ford bath tub is reportedly South West of Cyprus, and the Turks are naval gaming off the coast of Cyprus.
I’m sure the Egyptian elites don’t want war, but they might have no choice given the military sheeple, and the sheeple could demand war.
My guess is that Hezbollah has water based drones which could hit ships and carriers. The Nazi US use Aegis defence software, and its a pile of dog crap.
So watch this. He’s a Jew based in the Golan Heights. He’s a bit excitable, but listen to what he says about his country, Israel, and how he thinks the sheeple feel. Then listen to his analysis of the Nazi US financial situation, which is bonkers dire, and just remember, this will affect the Nazi UK as well.
Forget your prejudices, and just listen. I’ve been saying for around 2yrs that Israel is fundamentally weak. Israel was always a Nazi state, but now, even Israeli Nazis don’t like what they see.
Due to time constraints, I only watched 15 minutes.
https://youtu.be/nwdQmaTooHU?si=u5NiM4tXIh6wPvAz
“Biden’s Influence?” Ole Poopypants has jack shit to do with anything anywhere except a script and someone to show him where to stand and speak.
How the Jews have turned our country into the horror show we now see everyday!
WHY HASN’T HE BEEN IMPEACHED AND THE WHOLE GANG OF DUAL CITIZEN TRAITORS BEEN TRIED AND SHOT?
War is the devil’s work.
I’ve enjoyed my time at truthseeker: four years and 2500+ posts…Who would have thought it?
It’s time for me to depart now but it’s quite possible that I may rejoin you at some time in the future. “Too much to do” as the owl with the speech impediment said.
Just think of this as an episode of the Walking Dead, where I get cut off and disappear into the woods by myself. I’ll see you in series eleven.
I have a great deal of love and affection for the folk at this site. May you survive. May we all survive.
Andy.
‘Russia Will Pay The Price!’ Israeli Official Amir Weitmann Threatens Russia is Next After Gaza
Chris Menahan
InformationLiberation
Oct. 19, 2023
“Amir Weitmann of Israel’s ruling Likud Party threatened Russia that Israel will come after them once their war with Gaza is over for supporting Hamas “Nazis” who “beheaded babies” and “raped” women. ”
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https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1714824716567863658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
SOURCE:
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64064
Some retarded lunatic on here thinks ‘nazis’ rule Israel. Its a either a nutcase or some COINTELPRO mole.
Iran wants war
https://br.ifunny.co/picture/iran-wants-war-look-how-close-they-put-their-country-5AWgVGFJ7
They are going to invade Syria next and are doing all they can to provoke a major war.
“Syria under ATTACK by Israel as the West stays SILENT | Redacted with Clayton Morris”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ZYqM8xvn4
The stupid putz Biden makes it sound like 911, a tool of the Israelis, is all over and done with. Sure it is, this oaf won’t admit that “our closest ally in the ME” was responsible for the outrageous attack on USS Liberty as well as 911. The idiot Biden fails to admit we suck up to Israel and jewish money and coercions. This is how venal and moronic our president is. Never mind the decades of Israeli attacks on Palestinians. ben Gurion said it all, “the Gentile must be liquidated”. Biden is being sodomized and blackmailed and the smile on his face says it all. Hey, he means business!
William: thanks, it’s great to have so much support. I don’t think you know just how helpful you are. A real productive AI bot.
Hamas is a Mossad front, an Israeli creation, this is a false flag straight up , just like 911 and with the same actors , Israel and the ZUS.
Aircraft Carriers of WW3: The Cavalry of WW1
@Voltman … aircraft carrier pigeon… Hel Aviv… etc etc
Keep it coming bro! 🤣🤣🤣
Some very good comments above but firs things first….I wish to bid a fond farewell to andyay as he announced his departure above. I have always found andyay to be one of the most intelligent, articulate, and thoughtful writers here, and his commentary will be missed by certainly many more people than just me. Andy, I hope “series eleven” comes sooner rather than later. Cheers, mate!
Several Truth-seekers nail it in their comments above; Sigg Huyl, Arnie, Nico posing as Aleister. And Voltman nails it again and unfailing rewards us with outstanding rewrites using the truth as his primary tool. Voltman should have his own news show on a major network…the network executives would shit their pants about 2 minutes into the first episode, but it would be epic.
In the article we have one man vomitorium ol’ Slow Joe the Pedo Bribem spewing, surprisingly in actual coherent sentences, “Justice must be done,” Biden said. “But I caution that, while you feel that rage, don’t be consumed by it. After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. While we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes.” … “We also made mistakes”, he said. That sure was an understatement of massive proportions since the primary mistake was not bombing Israhell into a smouldering glass parking lot the very next day and chasing treasonous scum such as Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Zakheim, Silverstein, Ghouliani, Meyers, Libby, etc. through the streets, beating the ever living piss out of them, then publicly executing them on 9/12.
Yup, those mistakes were doozies as the Americunt dumb-f*cks got too-easily suckered into an obvious massive lie, were howling in the streets with bloodlust, after they stopped pissing down their legs in the laughably mistaken belief that Haji and the Dune Coons were about to parachute into their utterly worthless towns, and signed up in droves to go after the…WRONG…F*CKING….PEOPLE. The Americunt dumb-f*cks couldn’t have been more wrong it turned out unless they marched on nurseries full of puppies and kittens. Now, I’m not so stupid as to equate deranged mongrel Arab savages with puppies and kittens, but you get my point; the f*cking A-rabs didn’t do it. Jews and a handful of Americunt treasonous goy psychopaths did. While the dangerously stupid yahoo military went around shitting all over the place in a seriously misguided psychotic frenzy, Shlomo and the satanic tribe of homicidal maniacs rubbed their hands with glee and laughed their asses off. Again. So, yeah, mistkaes were made, Joe, HUGE…F*CKING…MISTAKES. Very similar to WWI and WWII when the Jewnited States and Jew-K fought for the wrong f*cking side, as Nico often correctly points out. And the beat goes on, on the wrong side of history.
@ WILLIAM
THEY ARE THE WORST NAZIS + THE LAST !