the two cranks who claimed they did crop circles later admitted they did not do any
they are just sickos and needa good kick in the bollow
seemore butt
on November 11, 2022 at 9:19 am
The whole stonehenge area has been investigated at length by the CIA
i live near a US base and the guys there told us about these crop circles
and they beleive totally these are from alien life
“Crop circles are not a new phenomenon. They were being reported centuries before the first professed pranksters came forward to confess that they had created them.”
Groan…
Firstly, I need to make a “point of order” type observation. While it would be wrong to castigate all video as inferior to well researched writing, the accessibility of video as evidenced by those who extensively quote it, is indicative of the intellectual level it is pitched at.
“They were being reported centuries before…” OK, give me medieval examples of the Mandelbrot Set etc.
But let me make this simple: the original crop circles, or to be more precise, circular impressions, were observed in Australia and tied to observed antigravity craft. The denial of the latter cannot be sustained. The Westall flying saucer incident — among others — demonstrates the sparsely populated areas of Australia were a testing ground for U.S. technology.
The original inspiration for later hoaxes were circular impressions tied with circular craft. The hoaxers with their stomping boards got started in England after the Australian experience. One of the “stompers”, I recall, had lived in Australia and was familiar with the accounts.
LET US NOT FORGET THE EARLIER CROP CIRCLES WERE TIED TO CRAFT LANDINGS…
The something peculiar happened. Rather than evidence of hoaxing or indeed genuine landings, theses circles morphed into very elaborate mathematical illustrations. The “prophets” and cottage industry profiteers had to reinterpret crop circles —NOT CROP CIRCLES AT ALL — as some sort of communication rather than the impressions garnered from a landed craft. There was therefore a kind of bait and switch operation going on…
Much more could be said and written — and I have — about how “crop circle research” has been Rockefeller funded. As the Americans say, “go figure…”.
Thomas Faber
on November 11, 2022 at 11:28 am
The Nazis had suppossedly invented some kind of flying saucer – combined with some ray (Tesla-technology?), perhaps it would be possible to make stuff like this?
Who knows? Strange it is – but I don’t think these patterns contain messages.
Occams razor says that this is hidden technology rather than alien life trying to communicate.
Jill Maclean
on November 11, 2022 at 11:41 am
I believe in crop circles that they are made by Alien’s yeas ago I saw a video that was taken on someone’s phone. It hade been authenticated to be real I watched a small ball of light go up and down a field a crop circle was left afterwards.
lewis jones
on November 11, 2022 at 12:18 pm
Brian Desborough suggested that a hovering helicopter, and maybe a satellite, using computer-guided lasers in the gamma frequency, could make crop circles, but psychics can see alien creatures being involved. Some of the patterns are from our recent fractal maths and other human intellectual work, and when I studied them in the 1990s, they all began on one of the tractor lines; either someone walked into the field, or the machine started off on a line as a reference point. Would ETs study Mandelbrot?
chesterton
on November 11, 2022 at 12:24 pm
They patterns are created by sound waves …research the type of patterns that can be created simply with a violin and a sand box…
and marvel…
Pythagoras derived his geometry from the divisions of the string…
‘clearly’..
andyay
on November 11, 2022 at 3:24 pm
They’re not all agriglyphs, of course. Complex geometric patterns have been impressed on sands and muddy swamps; on starchy paddy fields and have been found rendered in ice, as well.
Shapes shorn from corn crops and grasses tend to have more durability and are visible for longer, that’s all, although neither do the agriglyphs endure particularly well, losing definition quite quickly in rainfall.
Spook-sponsored imitation crop circles are too obviously the work of men. They are shaggy and without smooth curvature precisely because they’ve been hewn from clumsy treading boards and given measure by the accuracy of lengths of string.
I don’t know what a “bollow” is but I agree with Karen Cummings that the Dougs and Daves of this world need a hard, swift kick up theirs.
Authentic crops circles are created by implosion, within the budding stalks of the plants and in their craftful execution, exhibit effortless artistic elegance, in the way that the brushstrokes of an Old Master do.
The intelligence behind crop circles is supernal. It is the Solar intelligence who speaks.
The hieroglyphics of crop circles derive from propensities in the behaviour of Birkeland Currents, which are electrical attenuations of plasma, moving in double-heliachal tandem (just as DNA does) but between the Sun and the Earth.
The Sun is an anode; the Moon is a cathode. Birkeland currents, however, are subjected to galactic electromagnetic fields, called a Z-pinch in physics, which cause the double heliachal flow of the Birkeland filaments to expand and contract according to the spiral motive force defining the Z-pinch itself.
Where spirals and double-helixes couple, a vast manifold of geometric expression is availed in 2-D. In mathematics, these plotted vectors of helixes and spirals is called the Dougherty Set and its geometric potentials have been fully mapped and graphed digitally. It turns out, in fact, that men can indeed make authentic “crop circles” though they’re not nearly as big as the ones in the fields and require the application of cymatic principle for their achievement. All that you need, is a drum-head, some dry sand and modulated intervals of sonic frequency. Crop Circles are sounds. They are artefacts of a spoken language.
Considering the breathtaking beauty of a great many crop circles, it is staggering to even consider that these shapes, in their original expression, were a voice; imperceptible to men perhaps but heard somehow by the landscape itself and given testament in script as written at Milk Hill and Alton Barnes; at Hackpen Ridgeway and Salisbury Plain; at Avebury Circle and West Wood.
Can interloping intelligences utilize this language to their own purposes? Yes, I think so and I, personally, wouldn’t trust that little fellow with a scythe in the woodcut illustrated above. I’ve met him and he’s not to be trusted.
antiJHWH
on November 11, 2022 at 4:18 pm
BUT WHY MOSTLY ONLY IN BRITAIN ?
I dont know of other countries .
Andyay and Chesterton have argued for some technology behind some of the more elaborate designs. This may well be.
The PREDOMINANT geographical location: England plus the temporal coordinate: CURRENT TIMES, argue for human agency…unless someone believes in some sort of paranormal version of William Blake’s first line of “Jerusalem” is taking place.
It will be argued that crop circles and their derivative forms occur all over the world. This is as disingenuous as saying cattle mutilation occur at the SAME RATE outside of the USA – they don’t.
I looked into the orb video, referenced in comments above, some time ago and seem to recall the hoaxer put his hand up but the “believers” didn’t believe him. I mention this not to getting into a gainsaying back and forth but as an invitation for those taken in by this to explore further. There is only so much spoon feeding one can do.
The negation of orbs as causal agents in no way means orbs aren’t otherwise of interest.
hp
on November 11, 2022 at 6:53 pm
“In August 1990 a huge 2D Sri Yantra was inscribed overnight on a dry lake bed in USA Oregon and spotted by a National air guard plane from Idaho.”
“The geometrical ‘crop circle’ of the SRIYANTRA at Oregon was on a wet lake bed 13 miles long without a single footprint [or tire track].”
If its from some superior extraterrestrial or paranormal beings/intelligence they should write messages in English if they desire to communicate…
chesterton
on November 11, 2022 at 9:50 pm
@ Simon..
l’m not arguing for or against crop circles Simon..but l have seen and created such patterns in a sand box using sound…
My view on these (and l have traveled to see them) is somewhat the same as my view on on extra or ultra terrestrial ‘life’.
and that is …
if it isn’t hehe ‘True’ …it certainly should be….
chesterton
on November 11, 2022 at 10:04 pm
NB: Of course the Gods will continue to BE irregardless of mans beliefs.. and his rather subjective and nominal view of Truth..which seems up for debate most of the Time..
and…within which of course… the Gods dream man into ‘be-ing’…
The rest l”m afraid is up to him..which may include ropes and planks at 3am in a field in Salisbury….
pursuing the bleeding obvious…
Sophie Johnson
on November 11, 2022 at 10:06 pm
Thomas Faber: ‘Who knows? Strange it is – but I don’t think these patterns contain messages.’
‘Messages’ is the only suggested proposition that I have felt sure about with regard the crop circles. But then I asked ‘to whom are they messages if no-one has undertood them?’ I correct my fallacious reasoning with ‘How do I know that no-one has understood them?’ That made me lose my nerve: I was properly spooked.
Thank you, Thomas. I copied and pasted your post. I want to banish the ‘messages’ perspective; it is just too sinister.
Thomas Faber
on November 11, 2022 at 10:35 pm
@Sophie
Even if it were messages between nefarious actors – God will always be more powerful than any evil. The Light is strongest.
All the best!
O
on November 11, 2022 at 10:38 pm
@ Sophie
To paraphrase Marshall McLuhan’s ‘brainwave’ ever so slightly.
The ‘medium’ is the message.
Don’t be afraid, my dear!
O
on November 12, 2022 at 12:23 am
@ hp
Thanks for those links.
Mr Reynard
on November 12, 2022 at 1:20 am
@ karen cummings Those two cranks, got as well lots of Pints of Best Bitter paid by moronic Journos ..Good on them, made monkeys out of Journos & still get a liquid profit out of it ??
peter jenkins
on November 12, 2022 at 6:41 am
I had a freind who was a bigwig in UK intelligence world and a close friend to peter wright the author of spycatcher, he wrote on this sie years ago
He told me that the labour party had 2 big whsitleblowers Lord George Brown and Dennis Healey
both had conversations with intell
and both said the crop circlees were alien in origin
It is one of the secrets of Fremasonry that Christ was born in glastonbury exactly as william blake said
he was not a jew but probably was an essene
most crop circles appear in the area around glastonbury and stonehenge
andyay
on November 12, 2022 at 9:08 am
I didn’t mention technology, either. My last paragraph, previously, could be taken to mean that crop circle formations can be reproduced or mimicked technologically, be it by mundane agency or otherwise. Chesterton’s violin is a technology, after all.
I too argue that crop circles are artefacts of sound. These sounds are musically coherent and highly suggestive of language. Indeed, it can be correctly said that the lexicon of this language is the Dougherty Set. The geometric glyphs are not necessarily meant for our attention but like the shapes forming to music in a sand box, they might be ghosted artefacts of celestial cymatics.
Apologies to Chesterton and Andyay for mispresenting their intent…And I regret being a little sharp with the person citing the orb video as evidence. I realise that we all have to learn.
Although, Andyay, why something more aetheric – for want of a better description – should manifest now rather than in several thousand years of recorded history is a mystery if technological agency is discounted.
@Peter Jenkins
It’s strange that Peter Wright could never identify his friend Rothschild as a Soviet-transnationalist agent despite all his technical ability.
As for British Intelligence telling the truth about anything through a “he told me that someone said…” – hearsay about hearsay is not very convincing.
As for Christ, freemasonry and Glastonbury. I know of at least one reason why that is nonsense for the same reason I know Father Christmas doesn’t live in a terraced house in the north of England.
lewis jones
on November 12, 2022 at 1:27 pm
TTS itself showed us a “scary alien” glyph near Stonehenge but also near a strong military transmitter, with the angry Grey alien holding out a disc with letters on it but too blurred to read, reminding us of the disc Carl Sagan helped design before it got sent into Space (portraying humans). A Jew in Glastonbury called Glickman used to interpret all the patterns as if they were important messages from ETs or the Earth, (or Glastonbury was where I heard him speak, at least). The Greys are not angry except in crass propaganda, so we know of at least some military involvement. A 100-year-old psychic at the same conference as Glickman could see on at least one occasion some monitoring beings where a circle was forming. I went to a circle with some enthusiasts and saw an MK Ultra type of prostitute in the field walking ahead of us, and can see that the glyphs have a similar effect to Flat Earth fanaticism, or did in the 1990s. She will have been getting her beliefs reinforced, which is what I thought at the time
andyay
on November 13, 2022 at 2:01 pm
@ Simon Smith
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There are a number of perfectly plausible reasons why the historical chronicles should be scant with regard to crop circles.
Historically, consideration has to be given to the mundane. So, illiteracy among rural communities becomes a mitigating factor here. The difficulties in communicating what was seen, intelligibly, to another, without superstitious obfuscation intervening, would seem insurmountable to ordinary folk. What terms of reference could be availed?
If the famous woodcut, illustrating the article, is any measure, then it would seem that glyphs in fields were once perceived as ill omens and construed as the work of impish devils. Crop circles were not to be marvelled at but rather regarded as faerie hijinks, better to be wary of. Ignore the circles or risk being bamboozled till your sanity is lost to trickster spirits.
Who, anyway, could successfully reproduce a complex glyph artistically, without formal training in geometry and technical drawing? Even if a geometer were to fortuitously espy a crop circle by chance, how much time would there be to accurately study, then depict the pattern on a page? Some of the agriglyphs are only briefly coherent. An interested party, receiving news of a new formation, might have to travel distant or awkward routes on horseback to reach a site, the exact location of which is not very well charted by the maps.
The holistic beauty of the geometrically intricate crop circles cannot be fully appreciated, in most cases, without an aerial perspective. Surrounding hills may not have sufficient elevation to afford a full overview and on flat lands, it is quite possible to amble past a nearby crop circle without noticing its presence at all.
The modern prominence of crop circles is explained by the advantages brought by aerial flight and the accessibility of photographic equipment, by media receptivity to the phenomenon and by organized networks of enthusiasts, actively seeking out the circles in corn crops or on other terrains.
The woodcut above ought to stand as a historical document of crop circles in the past but I suspect, Simon, that you might find contention in the simplicity of the formation etched, which is hardly grandiose by recent standards, although, it does seem to mirror earlier, more rudimentary formations found at the onset of this particular era of agriglyhs.
The apparently linear progress from simple circles to increasingly more complex forms needn’t, however, imply increasing aptitude in technological application or greater facility, or urgency, in the communication of a message.
If sound creates crop circles, then their multifold patterns are defined by terrestrial magnetic field resonance. Periodic (or epochal) fluctuations in magnetic field strength may allow for the greater or lesser cymatic susceptibility of the landscape, to record the music of the spheres, or more precisely, to render the song of the Sun into visible notation.
hp
on November 13, 2022 at 7:49 pm
Andyay, speaking of “the advantages brought by aerial flight” the Nazca lines spring to mind.
I got a very bad head-ache as I walked towards and into a crop circle with some fans of ’em and the head-ache left when I got out. Why not a circle miles across if the magnetic field makes them, instead of all these human-scale ones? and (afterthought) aliens might inspire some of our maths and/or study some of it, although human maths is usually diving down an inconsequential rabbit-hole in a Spaghetti Junction warren
Thanks for having the stamina to keep this discussion going…
“The apparently linear progress from simple circles to increasingly more complex forms needn’t, however, imply increasing aptitude in technological application or greater facility…”
But in the absence of any other explanation, technology – aka an intelligent being/man with a tool(s) – is performing actions on the material universe.
If this was Cluedo, the “crime” was committed in Wiltshire, with either stomping boards or aerial technology, by an “agent” whose actions are synchronised to the level of possible current technical know how. This “agent” in respect of say the more elaborate designs is either human or non-human – inclusive of ET or/and paranormal entities.
In narrowing the murder weapon down we may point the finger. I am unconvinced of the differentiation of broken and bent corn between “hoaxers” and that of “others”. Even if this was the case, the “others” could be human. So this point is moot while being of interest to explore further.
BUT since we lack all the information and are the jury, I stand by me assertion that the remarkable confluence of human technology as it is, with the time these glyphs appearing, would be an astonishing mismeasure of correlation and causation. We all know the saying attributed to these words, but the greatest error is not so much acknowledging “correlation doesn’t imply causation”, but that any obvious factor – in my argumentation, human beings – should be overlooked as the “murderer”.
I have no philosophical problem with other entities interacting beyond our realm with us. You yourself have given witness to experiences that in an earlier age and across geographical bounds, of entities that the limits of human experience have described as elves, leprechauns, or grey aliens etc.
So I reiterate the particularity of England – especially Wiltshire – and the era we now live in. I cannot believe there cannot be any folklore from other times and places that would have failed to try and describe the Mandelbrot Set. If there had, mathematicians might have come up with – drawing on inspiration from any folklore – a hundred years ago.
lewis jones
on November 15, 2022 at 1:46 am
Simon Smith–the second-most common place for crop-circles to occur is Germany; after that, some South American countries (Nazis again)
the two cranks who claimed they did crop circles later admitted they did not do any
they are just sickos and needa good kick in the bollow
The whole stonehenge area has been investigated at length by the CIA
i live near a US base and the guys there told us about these crop circles
and they beleive totally these are from alien life
“Crop circles are not a new phenomenon. They were being reported centuries before the first professed pranksters came forward to confess that they had created them.”
Groan…
Firstly, I need to make a “point of order” type observation. While it would be wrong to castigate all video as inferior to well researched writing, the accessibility of video as evidenced by those who extensively quote it, is indicative of the intellectual level it is pitched at.
“They were being reported centuries before…” OK, give me medieval examples of the Mandelbrot Set etc.
But let me make this simple: the original crop circles, or to be more precise, circular impressions, were observed in Australia and tied to observed antigravity craft. The denial of the latter cannot be sustained. The Westall flying saucer incident — among others — demonstrates the sparsely populated areas of Australia were a testing ground for U.S. technology.
The original inspiration for later hoaxes were circular impressions tied with circular craft. The hoaxers with their stomping boards got started in England after the Australian experience. One of the “stompers”, I recall, had lived in Australia and was familiar with the accounts.
LET US NOT FORGET THE EARLIER CROP CIRCLES WERE TIED TO CRAFT LANDINGS…
The something peculiar happened. Rather than evidence of hoaxing or indeed genuine landings, theses circles morphed into very elaborate mathematical illustrations. The “prophets” and cottage industry profiteers had to reinterpret crop circles —NOT CROP CIRCLES AT ALL — as some sort of communication rather than the impressions garnered from a landed craft. There was therefore a kind of bait and switch operation going on…
Much more could be said and written — and I have — about how “crop circle research” has been Rockefeller funded. As the Americans say, “go figure…”.
The Nazis had suppossedly invented some kind of flying saucer – combined with some ray (Tesla-technology?), perhaps it would be possible to make stuff like this?
Who knows? Strange it is – but I don’t think these patterns contain messages.
Occams razor says that this is hidden technology rather than alien life trying to communicate.
I believe in crop circles that they are made by Alien’s yeas ago I saw a video that was taken on someone’s phone. It hade been authenticated to be real I watched a small ball of light go up and down a field a crop circle was left afterwards.
Brian Desborough suggested that a hovering helicopter, and maybe a satellite, using computer-guided lasers in the gamma frequency, could make crop circles, but psychics can see alien creatures being involved. Some of the patterns are from our recent fractal maths and other human intellectual work, and when I studied them in the 1990s, they all began on one of the tractor lines; either someone walked into the field, or the machine started off on a line as a reference point. Would ETs study Mandelbrot?
They patterns are created by sound waves …research the type of patterns that can be created simply with a violin and a sand box…
and marvel…
Pythagoras derived his geometry from the divisions of the string…
‘clearly’..
They’re not all agriglyphs, of course. Complex geometric patterns have been impressed on sands and muddy swamps; on starchy paddy fields and have been found rendered in ice, as well.
Shapes shorn from corn crops and grasses tend to have more durability and are visible for longer, that’s all, although neither do the agriglyphs endure particularly well, losing definition quite quickly in rainfall.
Spook-sponsored imitation crop circles are too obviously the work of men. They are shaggy and without smooth curvature precisely because they’ve been hewn from clumsy treading boards and given measure by the accuracy of lengths of string.
I don’t know what a “bollow” is but I agree with Karen Cummings that the Dougs and Daves of this world need a hard, swift kick up theirs.
Authentic crops circles are created by implosion, within the budding stalks of the plants and in their craftful execution, exhibit effortless artistic elegance, in the way that the brushstrokes of an Old Master do.
The intelligence behind crop circles is supernal. It is the Solar intelligence who speaks.
The hieroglyphics of crop circles derive from propensities in the behaviour of Birkeland Currents, which are electrical attenuations of plasma, moving in double-heliachal tandem (just as DNA does) but between the Sun and the Earth.
The Sun is an anode; the Moon is a cathode. Birkeland currents, however, are subjected to galactic electromagnetic fields, called a Z-pinch in physics, which cause the double heliachal flow of the Birkeland filaments to expand and contract according to the spiral motive force defining the Z-pinch itself.
Where spirals and double-helixes couple, a vast manifold of geometric expression is availed in 2-D. In mathematics, these plotted vectors of helixes and spirals is called the Dougherty Set and its geometric potentials have been fully mapped and graphed digitally. It turns out, in fact, that men can indeed make authentic “crop circles” though they’re not nearly as big as the ones in the fields and require the application of cymatic principle for their achievement. All that you need, is a drum-head, some dry sand and modulated intervals of sonic frequency. Crop Circles are sounds. They are artefacts of a spoken language.
Considering the breathtaking beauty of a great many crop circles, it is staggering to even consider that these shapes, in their original expression, were a voice; imperceptible to men perhaps but heard somehow by the landscape itself and given testament in script as written at Milk Hill and Alton Barnes; at Hackpen Ridgeway and Salisbury Plain; at Avebury Circle and West Wood.
Can interloping intelligences utilize this language to their own purposes? Yes, I think so and I, personally, wouldn’t trust that little fellow with a scythe in the woodcut illustrated above. I’ve met him and he’s not to be trusted.
BUT WHY MOSTLY ONLY IN BRITAIN ?
I dont know of other countries .
Andyay and Chesterton have argued for some technology behind some of the more elaborate designs. This may well be.
The PREDOMINANT geographical location: England plus the temporal coordinate: CURRENT TIMES, argue for human agency…unless someone believes in some sort of paranormal version of William Blake’s first line of “Jerusalem” is taking place.
It will be argued that crop circles and their derivative forms occur all over the world. This is as disingenuous as saying cattle mutilation occur at the SAME RATE outside of the USA – they don’t.
I looked into the orb video, referenced in comments above, some time ago and seem to recall the hoaxer put his hand up but the “believers” didn’t believe him. I mention this not to getting into a gainsaying back and forth but as an invitation for those taken in by this to explore further. There is only so much spoon feeding one can do.
The negation of orbs as causal agents in no way means orbs aren’t otherwise of interest.
“In August 1990 a huge 2D Sri Yantra was inscribed overnight on a dry lake bed in USA Oregon and spotted by a National air guard plane from Idaho.”
“The geometrical ‘crop circle’ of the SRIYANTRA at Oregon was on a wet lake bed 13 miles long without a single footprint [or tire track].”
Roll over Horatio
If its from some superior extraterrestrial or paranormal beings/intelligence they should write messages in English if they desire to communicate…
@ Simon..
l’m not arguing for or against crop circles Simon..but l have seen and created such patterns in a sand box using sound…
My view on these (and l have traveled to see them) is somewhat the same as my view on on extra or ultra terrestrial ‘life’.
and that is …
if it isn’t hehe ‘True’ …it certainly should be….
NB: Of course the Gods will continue to BE irregardless of mans beliefs.. and his rather subjective and nominal view of Truth..which seems up for debate most of the Time..
and…within which of course… the Gods dream man into ‘be-ing’…
The rest l”m afraid is up to him..which may include ropes and planks at 3am in a field in Salisbury….
pursuing the bleeding obvious…
Thomas Faber: ‘Who knows? Strange it is – but I don’t think these patterns contain messages.’
‘Messages’ is the only suggested proposition that I have felt sure about with regard the crop circles. But then I asked ‘to whom are they messages if no-one has undertood them?’ I correct my fallacious reasoning with ‘How do I know that no-one has understood them?’ That made me lose my nerve: I was properly spooked.
Thank you, Thomas. I copied and pasted your post. I want to banish the ‘messages’ perspective; it is just too sinister.
@Sophie
Even if it were messages between nefarious actors – God will always be more powerful than any evil. The Light is strongest.
All the best!
@ Sophie
To paraphrase Marshall McLuhan’s ‘brainwave’ ever so slightly.
The ‘medium’ is the message.
Don’t be afraid, my dear!
@ hp
Thanks for those links.
@ karen cummings Those two cranks, got as well lots of Pints of Best Bitter paid by moronic Journos ..Good on them, made monkeys out of Journos & still get a liquid profit out of it ??
I had a freind who was a bigwig in UK intelligence world and a close friend to peter wright the author of spycatcher, he wrote on this sie years ago
He told me that the labour party had 2 big whsitleblowers Lord George Brown and Dennis Healey
both had conversations with intell
and both said the crop circlees were alien in origin
It is one of the secrets of Fremasonry that Christ was born in glastonbury exactly as william blake said
he was not a jew but probably was an essene
most crop circles appear in the area around glastonbury and stonehenge
I didn’t mention technology, either. My last paragraph, previously, could be taken to mean that crop circle formations can be reproduced or mimicked technologically, be it by mundane agency or otherwise. Chesterton’s violin is a technology, after all.
I too argue that crop circles are artefacts of sound. These sounds are musically coherent and highly suggestive of language. Indeed, it can be correctly said that the lexicon of this language is the Dougherty Set. The geometric glyphs are not necessarily meant for our attention but like the shapes forming to music in a sand box, they might be ghosted artefacts of celestial cymatics.
It is Apollo who speaks.
Apologies to Chesterton and Andyay for mispresenting their intent…And I regret being a little sharp with the person citing the orb video as evidence. I realise that we all have to learn.
Although, Andyay, why something more aetheric – for want of a better description – should manifest now rather than in several thousand years of recorded history is a mystery if technological agency is discounted.
@Peter Jenkins
It’s strange that Peter Wright could never identify his friend Rothschild as a Soviet-transnationalist agent despite all his technical ability.
As for British Intelligence telling the truth about anything through a “he told me that someone said…” – hearsay about hearsay is not very convincing.
As for Christ, freemasonry and Glastonbury. I know of at least one reason why that is nonsense for the same reason I know Father Christmas doesn’t live in a terraced house in the north of England.
TTS itself showed us a “scary alien” glyph near Stonehenge but also near a strong military transmitter, with the angry Grey alien holding out a disc with letters on it but too blurred to read, reminding us of the disc Carl Sagan helped design before it got sent into Space (portraying humans). A Jew in Glastonbury called Glickman used to interpret all the patterns as if they were important messages from ETs or the Earth, (or Glastonbury was where I heard him speak, at least). The Greys are not angry except in crass propaganda, so we know of at least some military involvement. A 100-year-old psychic at the same conference as Glickman could see on at least one occasion some monitoring beings where a circle was forming. I went to a circle with some enthusiasts and saw an MK Ultra type of prostitute in the field walking ahead of us, and can see that the glyphs have a similar effect to Flat Earth fanaticism, or did in the 1990s. She will have been getting her beliefs reinforced, which is what I thought at the time
@ Simon Smith
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There are a number of perfectly plausible reasons why the historical chronicles should be scant with regard to crop circles.
Historically, consideration has to be given to the mundane. So, illiteracy among rural communities becomes a mitigating factor here. The difficulties in communicating what was seen, intelligibly, to another, without superstitious obfuscation intervening, would seem insurmountable to ordinary folk. What terms of reference could be availed?
If the famous woodcut, illustrating the article, is any measure, then it would seem that glyphs in fields were once perceived as ill omens and construed as the work of impish devils. Crop circles were not to be marvelled at but rather regarded as faerie hijinks, better to be wary of. Ignore the circles or risk being bamboozled till your sanity is lost to trickster spirits.
Who, anyway, could successfully reproduce a complex glyph artistically, without formal training in geometry and technical drawing? Even if a geometer were to fortuitously espy a crop circle by chance, how much time would there be to accurately study, then depict the pattern on a page? Some of the agriglyphs are only briefly coherent. An interested party, receiving news of a new formation, might have to travel distant or awkward routes on horseback to reach a site, the exact location of which is not very well charted by the maps.
The holistic beauty of the geometrically intricate crop circles cannot be fully appreciated, in most cases, without an aerial perspective. Surrounding hills may not have sufficient elevation to afford a full overview and on flat lands, it is quite possible to amble past a nearby crop circle without noticing its presence at all.
The modern prominence of crop circles is explained by the advantages brought by aerial flight and the accessibility of photographic equipment, by media receptivity to the phenomenon and by organized networks of enthusiasts, actively seeking out the circles in corn crops or on other terrains.
The woodcut above ought to stand as a historical document of crop circles in the past but I suspect, Simon, that you might find contention in the simplicity of the formation etched, which is hardly grandiose by recent standards, although, it does seem to mirror earlier, more rudimentary formations found at the onset of this particular era of agriglyhs.
The apparently linear progress from simple circles to increasingly more complex forms needn’t, however, imply increasing aptitude in technological application or greater facility, or urgency, in the communication of a message.
If sound creates crop circles, then their multifold patterns are defined by terrestrial magnetic field resonance. Periodic (or epochal) fluctuations in magnetic field strength may allow for the greater or lesser cymatic susceptibility of the landscape, to record the music of the spheres, or more precisely, to render the song of the Sun into visible notation.
Andyay, speaking of “the advantages brought by aerial flight” the Nazca lines spring to mind.
Among other things..
I got a very bad head-ache as I walked towards and into a crop circle with some fans of ’em and the head-ache left when I got out. Why not a circle miles across if the magnetic field makes them, instead of all these human-scale ones? and (afterthought) aliens might inspire some of our maths and/or study some of it, although human maths is usually diving down an inconsequential rabbit-hole in a Spaghetti Junction warren
@Andyay
Thanks for having the stamina to keep this discussion going…
“The apparently linear progress from simple circles to increasingly more complex forms needn’t, however, imply increasing aptitude in technological application or greater facility…”
But in the absence of any other explanation, technology – aka an intelligent being/man with a tool(s) – is performing actions on the material universe.
If this was Cluedo, the “crime” was committed in Wiltshire, with either stomping boards or aerial technology, by an “agent” whose actions are synchronised to the level of possible current technical know how. This “agent” in respect of say the more elaborate designs is either human or non-human – inclusive of ET or/and paranormal entities.
In narrowing the murder weapon down we may point the finger. I am unconvinced of the differentiation of broken and bent corn between “hoaxers” and that of “others”. Even if this was the case, the “others” could be human. So this point is moot while being of interest to explore further.
BUT since we lack all the information and are the jury, I stand by me assertion that the remarkable confluence of human technology as it is, with the time these glyphs appearing, would be an astonishing mismeasure of correlation and causation. We all know the saying attributed to these words, but the greatest error is not so much acknowledging “correlation doesn’t imply causation”, but that any obvious factor – in my argumentation, human beings – should be overlooked as the “murderer”.
I have no philosophical problem with other entities interacting beyond our realm with us. You yourself have given witness to experiences that in an earlier age and across geographical bounds, of entities that the limits of human experience have described as elves, leprechauns, or grey aliens etc.
So I reiterate the particularity of England – especially Wiltshire – and the era we now live in. I cannot believe there cannot be any folklore from other times and places that would have failed to try and describe the Mandelbrot Set. If there had, mathematicians might have come up with – drawing on inspiration from any folklore – a hundred years ago.
Simon Smith–the second-most common place for crop-circles to occur is Germany; after that, some South American countries (Nazis again)