HenryMakow.com — Sept 28, 2022
(Pope Clement VII, 1523-1530). Click to enlarge
The Catholic Church was infiltrated by two Jewish Popes and a Jewish Reformer that changed everyone’s mindset.
From 1513-1533 two earth-shattering events took place: the Protestant Reformation, and the Pope’s acceptance of Nicholas Copernicus’s heliocentric model of cosmology (that the earth revolves around the sun). Were they coincidental, or was the Catholic Church intentionally being dismantled from within?
(Disclaimer – Menez is a flat earther. I am not. Nonetheless, I respect his intelligence and present this for your consideration.)
by Edward Menez – (henrymakow.com)
The word “catholic” means “universal” and the Catholic Church was really the “one and only” Christian Church until Martin Luther began his Protestant Reformation and made a schism in the Catholic Church. Now all the Protestant denominations in the US–Lutheran, Baptist, Evangelical, etc–have more members combined than the Catholic Church. So that was a pretty big deal to split the Catholic Church in two like that.
Another big deal was the fact that the Pope accepted the heliocentric model of the world at the same time. That had never been done before because all Christians (and all other religions, too) accepted that we lived in a geocentric world up until then. In fact, it changed the world entirely because the Earth was no longer at the center of everything.
The Bible states over 30 times that the Earth does not move. Now, under the heliocentric model, the sun was at the center of the universe and the Earth spun around it.
I discovered through experimentation and extensive study that we have been lied to about so many things, one of which is the place we live and our importance on it. I believe we are created in God’s image, and everything was created by God. I no longer believe in evolution, the Big Bang Theory, and other modern lies.
Satan is the “Great Deceiver,” after all. My life has changed completely and I have come back to God in the past 7 years, when I had been a big sinner until that point.
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Hmmm, now here’s a bit of a conundrum for all of the “truthers” who get so irate when anyone even questions their belief that we are on a pressurized ball flying through the vacuum of ‘space’ and who then in the next breath blame jews for everything. LOLOLOL
Organised Jewery has done great harm to the world. I wonder was Copernicus a CIA asset? After all, the above mentioned “truthers” always say that talking about the true nature of the world we inhabit is a CIA psyop. Oh I can almost feel the grashing of teeth right now LOL.
Special note to myself: Prepare for the usual wave of insults from all of the usual suspects. LOL
Hmmm… a spinning globe would certainly account for how “dizzy” people are these days
There is a good argument to recover the old belief of the earth being at the centre of the universe. This is based on the infinite and eternal nature of the universe that may be said to place every single point, or planet, or creature, at the centre of creation.
This argumentation is based among other things on the falsity of the Big Bang; something in the article I do agree with.
Further: with reference to the Electrical Universe theory and the less dualistic belief systems, for example the Vedas, it is possible to “integrate” physical matter with the more metaphysical layers of reality. God is both particular and individual; He/we are occupied by both matter and mind. In so far as “God” may be defined to exist, He is not a separate entity from the creation itself.
This stuff is all largely irrelevant….all this historical mumbo jumbo.
Question.Do the jews control Britain and the USA today???.
OF COURSE THEY DO…..they control all the important areas.Secret Police,Media,Govt….
Does Israel rob American taxpayers of billions of dollars a year……OF COURSE THEY DO.
THATS what is important…..concentrating on what they are doing to Western Civilisation……..and how to stop the fiends in their tracks.
Example.Right now there is a crypto jewhosting the local sports news.Phew….what a surprise just like Britain and Linekar.
It will be the same in Australia,Canada and America.
Some people have suggested the fiends arent actually human….they COULD be right but you would have an impossible chance of proving it.
Flat Earthers are narcissistic, paranoid and jealous, and not one word of theirs is worth reading
Never looked too much into the flat earth theory. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it was, everything else we’ve been lied to about. It’s plausible. I’m guessing they lied, and I know NASA has lied to try and disprove that there is a creator in order to get folks to think there are aliens or other life forms out there.
It doesn’t matter to me what shape it is only that it’s run by satan worshipping scum.
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Mystic and Yogi
I sure Lewis Jones and Mike D , our resident ball earthers will chime in and humiliate themselves once again by defending the mathematically impossible , demonstrably false globe.
lt would certainly be sensible to search for God… but you wont find him in the so called churches..universal or not.. although you may well find good men like Williamson et al..(who are more ‘mystics’ in the traditional sense and have long since left the ‘church’..although they would probably disagree..publicly…)..
Nor will you find God in Books compiled by Greek scribes for helenist ‘jews’ …and in Greek l may add.. not as some imbeciles tend to state..’the original ahem ‘Hebrew’…
Somebody commenting on this ‘blog’ the other day stated Moshe moses ‘wrote’ the ‘ten commandments’..
dear dear.. presumably this man is also a ‘Christian’ and perhaps haha Evangelical… a man who thinks God and his word resides in some almanac on a wooden pew.. and little poems mainly stolen from Sumer and Aegypt (the psalms).. delivered by reprobates peering hungrily into his wallet..
Take a good long look inside yourself first and ..that’s how you find Father.. and he may even appear to you!..
But first one must know the ‘Mother’…
I believe the earth is a flat plane, and I don’t care what you think of me. I also believe the Bible supports this in Scripture.
I just got bumped from another site that I paid to be able to comment on. Revealing the truth about the fake kill jabs was what did it, but it was worth it because I got a lot of the truth out before some dunce complained.
For those that want to take the above argument further, there is a rather recent theory that the universe is really a plasma (electric) universe, and lots has been written on it, both in favour and against it too. Nicola Tesla believed in a plasma universe, and he was one to understand things electric better than most. There is the “Thunderbolts Project”, which covers it extensively, and has lots of very interesting information on this subject. After all, the current theory of the universe that most believe in, requires huge amounts of dark matter, and dark energy, neither of which has ever been found to exist. In the plasma universe theory, the sun is not a giant nuclear reactor at all, some nuclear fusion does occur in the outer corona, but the main source of the sun’s energy is electric according to the theory.
Here we go! Flat erf central again!
“duh, the erf be a flat disc, and da sun be going round it …” says the inbred imbecile, not realizing that the flat erf meme was an inside joke started at Tavistock circa 2013, and accidentally took a life of its own with every mentally ill person suddenly yelling on every internet message board, or at every big city metro station.
In one way it all does not matter one iota … whether we live on a ball, a disc, a cube, or a tetrahedron. But to a certain extent it does matter: it’s a juvenile distraction from important issues that require immediate action.
I was raised Catholic, and I do not like the tone of this article, that we should preserve the Church and the beliefs, that it was a bad thing that the Catholic Church MONOPOLY was broken. First of all, Europeons were forcefully converted to Rome’s slave religion, and it was bloody genocidal process, yet now the fully conquered defend the aggressors brainwashing.
H.M. quote: (Disclaimer – Menez is a flat earther. I am not. Nonetheless, I respect his intelligence and present this for your consideration.)
LOL! Flat Earther and intelligent are oxymorons. “The Bible states over 30 times that the Earth does not move”, Gee willikers Batman that must mean the Bible is wrong. The Bible was constructed before the scientific method, thus virtually everything in that book could be wrong, if you think about it and are intelligent.
And because the process of assembling the holy book is rife with errors, we can safely ALL agree that Almighty God did not write the Bible. If God was the author, you would not be believing in flat earth or geocentrism ever. But because superstitious man and not god wrote the book of holy scribbles, it is full of errors. Any reasonable and intelligent man would make this conclusion.
A Tale of Caveman, God, and Religion
On May 20, 2020 By jackyukon
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I use the caveman story to illustrate how the Bible was written. One day cave man Trog is coming back with a goat he speared, as he crossed the knoll before caveman tribe’s camp a thunderstorm lightining bolt strikes him dead. His tribal brothers witness this tragedy. Caveman, who do not have scientific understanding, misread this event as a angry sky god who punished Trog for a transgression.
Caveman assigns human emotions to god. Caveman says god is angry, and judged Trog, caveman thinks he must do animal sacrifices to appease god’s anger, This complete wrongness in observation is the basis that the New Testament rests, in the NT Jesus must die on a bloody cross to appease God’s judgment on man.
The Bible says man’s sin separates god and man, and only a blood sacrifice can fix that. A reasonable and intelligent man would conclude that is primitive superstition, and not true, and not to be believed. In fact, a smart man, would say SIN IS A RELIGIOUS BELIEF, NOT A PHYSICS FACT. How can the “creation” sin against the “creator”, that is laughable on the face of it. That nonsense is why Christianity is rightfully called Christ insanity.
Why would anybody defend Christinanity is beyond me. It is not “your” religion, it is Middle Eastern Semetic demon worship, from a tribe obsessed with their dicks, the most sacred menorah is really a multiheaded phallus, Jehovah is the outpicturing of the demented Jewish judgemental mind, concepts like sin are not real. No one can be saved, no one needs to be saved from some retarded Jew god, what men need to be saved from is bad Jewish literature.
If you build a robot and it performs badly, how is it the robot’s fault? You designed the robot and programmed it. A bad robot is a reflection of a bad engineer. Likewise man is a bad actor because of how man was created, not by God the Creator, but by the gods, the Anunnaki, space pirates who came to earth and raped the hominoid genome. Man was created by genetic engineering, not natural selection, that is why man is so out of whack from the natural order.
Any reasonable man who studies this material soon finds out that these stupid religionists are having the PEONS believe in these lesser creators as God. Church dummies have man on his knees worshipping space aliens as the Creator of the Universe, when in fact the Anunnaki were just a fucked up race, who came to earth to steal our gold, who created man in their image, mated (raped) our women, created hybrids.
https://biblehub.com/topical/n/nephilim.htm
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Genesis 6 NIV
4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created…
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So this all intelligent God, creates man, then regrets it? What a damn laugh. That story completely negates the idea that God is omniscient. And for 2,000 years no one challenges this nonsense? That is why I call the Bible the Book of Holy Scribbles, it is child material for undeveloped and immature minds. Flat earth is Bible nonsense, revival of flat earth is indicative that man is now descending into a new dark age, where reason and science are abandoned by prejudice and superstition.
Most Humans Entertain Severe Delusions as Personal Primary Truths
On December 3, 2020 By jackyukon
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Isn’t it interesting that for all the blather from “scientists,” ex-spurts, and disinfo assets, the alleged heliocentric *theory” cannot be proven to intelligent people who are willing to entertain the flat earth idea long enough to do their own research and thinking?
Personally, when I first learned about the modern flat earth revival, it was a total WTF Moment, as in “this must be a joke, a hoax, or some really stupid people.
BUT, wondering why someone would believe such a thing in the Current Year, and thinking it would be pretty simple to prove wrong, I set out fo do that.
It turns out that the Helio fans can’t show us the curve. No curve, no globe!
Ok, maybe everything is a big mirage, lol.
P.S. that doesn’t mean the Bible is any more true than Darwin’s scribbles. Stop falling for logical fallacies!
TRUTH IS NOT WITH THE POWERFUL !
THWY ARE LIERS FROM THE BEGINNING
ln his opening paragraph this Menez character has already got it all completely wrong… because he’s already overlooked the primary schism in the ‘Church’ so that he can prattle on about his real passion… flat things…
and having totally presumed Roman Church primacy over Orthodox Churches…which of course are both Catholic….and when given the numbers of extant imbeciles toddling around at the time.. (and falling of the edge of the earth)…
This can only be explained by absolute ignorance on the matter…
Not that either church isn’t corrupted… because of course they all are and always have been… and always will be..
But at least they know their own histories…
NB: Calvinism and lutheranist cults and all the schismatic denominations they have reared like bastard children are just another form of elitist chosenism..
and at worst very bad science fiction….
Hmmm..
Some comments I’ve made that relate to this topic seemed to have been intercepted by Bill Z. Bubb.
Anyhoo…
…..I am the type that will listen to anyone….including flat earthers. They submit a thesis…it’s up to me to judge their thesis. What I’ve found is that any thesis can create converts if they submit about three points that are either irrefutable, or make one question previous stands.
Regardless…this does not mean that the thesis presented is true.
Many of us can harken to the MOON LANDING fraud….
…..even minor analysis puts it high up in the ROTFLMAO hierarchy.
If nothing else…how could man ….over 50 years ago propel ….a literal tin can on a “tank of whatever fuel” do a 500,000+ mile round trip???? to accurately land on the hostile moon environment and return to earth ?
Ultimately..historically…mankind has been attacked and undermined by (((numerous belief systems))).
Et tu, Anne Blue?
On January 13, 1489, Chemor, Jewish Rabbi of Arles in Provence, wrote to the Grand Sanhedrin, which had its seat in Constantinople, for advice, as the people of Arles were threatening the synagogues. What should the Jews do? This was the reply:
Dear beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you
tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are
pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves.
The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:
As for what you say that the King of France obliges you to become
Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise, but let the law of Moses
be kept in your hearts. 1) As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your goods:
make your sons merchants, that little by little they may despoil the
Christians of theirs.
2) As for what you say about their making attempts on your lives: make
your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians’
lives.
3) As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your
sons cannons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches.
4) As for the many other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons
become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix themselves
up with the affairs of State, in order that by putting Christians under your
yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.
Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by
experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of
power.
Signed V.S.S.V.F.F., Prince of the Jews, 21st Castue (November), 1489.
This letter was printed in Revue des estudes Juives (Review of Jewish Studies) Paris France 1889. The newspaper, Revue des estudes Juives, was financed by James de Rothschild (Jakob Rothschild) a Jew, who managed the Paris branch of his father’s European banking empire.
His claiming that the catholic church before rise of protestant reformation, was the only Christian church is astonishing ignorance and typically western. Ignoring the original ‘Orthodox’ Christian world. Where the 5 bishops were equal for 1000 yrs being Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria and Rome. Before Rome crusaded into Byzantine
invented the title of Pope. And latinizing the older Greco writings etc.. Catholics are just latinized orthodox Christians.
” infiltrated by two jew popes” ha! who’s this c*nt trying to kid. catholisism (universalism) has always been run by and for the yid. So the Aryan can kiss the arse of the jew.
Tell me you f*ckin’ christian dickheads, and cabalist dickheads come to that, reading this nico x,? what do you think a f*ckin’ jew god is going to do for an anti jew?
Christ (pun intended) how thick can you get?
Yes people, the “gods” are real, creationism and the evolutionary theory are complete and utter garbage; Life and the Cosmos have ALWAYS existed. After all, how can the “soul” be everlasting if it was “created” by your jew dog, er, god I mean.
How about an answer to that mister ” mystic” sami; “what can YOU tell us mere White folk?
@ markie …
LOL! White Elephant, is that you? under another pseudonym? No worries, pal. I will always call out morons who don’t understand basic physics nor have the humility to acknowledge their lack of understanding. Until then, keep flat erfing, pal!
When electrically neutral plasmas meet magnetic fields in space, they become entrained as electrical filaments, moving in double heliachal sweep. These are called Birkeland currents and they connect all the stars of a galaxy in a vast inter-connected circuitry. If they could be seen, it is said, these filaments would pattern very much like a vast spider’s web.
Where two threads of the spider’s web meet, there is something called the electro-magnetic Z-pinch, in physics. If you picture an hour glass shape, it can be said to be, essentially, two cones, meeting at a constriction point. This describes the Z-pinch precisely. At this energetic singularity point, new stars birth and the web widens.
When the conical energy currents which result in the Z-pinch, intertwine with the Birkeland filaments, they give expression to shape. These shapes are the same configurations of sacred geometry which become visible in cymatic demonstrations; when sand on a drum-head arranges into forms according to an ambient sonic frequency.
The Earth is fed by Birkeland Currents from the Sun. The Sun was born of a Z-pinch in the galactic web and, therefore, energetically expresses within the Earth’s magnet girdle, as potentialities of coupled helixes and spirals. Believe it or not, this vast geometric manifest, is fully computed and is referred to as the Dougherty Set. All of the cymatic formations are included within the Dougherty Set. All crop circle formations are included within the Dougherty Set, which means that all crop circle geometry, can be plotted in 2-D as spatial indices of spirals and helixes vectoring together.
Movement, sound, light… The primary cosmic triune, is encapsulated in the mathematics of the Dougherty Set, which depends on the fundamental principle of a characteristically electrical universe.
We are manifestations of plasmatic aether – and some of us are better looking than others of us, because of it.
It’s not the earth which is flat, it’s the gigantic Bhu Mandala where the earth is located which is a plane.
Bhu Mandala is NOT our small Earth globe! (Sadaputa dasa)
Mysterious Orbits
@ Mike D
No I’m not White Elephant. You don’t remember ? I work at the car wash and burger stand.while you dine on Foie gras and drink Chateau Lafite We had numerous exchanges on other threads over past months where you thoroughly embarrassed yourself . Maybe you can’t remember because you were so traumatized and blocked it out . PTSD can be emotionally crippling. Get some help. You ball earthers are so pathetic.
If the Bhu Mandala were flat, you’d be able to see Mount Meru from any location on the Earth’s surface. Yet, you can’t. Answer me that one, huh? Actually, don’t. You’d only be wasting your time.
Is Maya Maya?
Mystic and Yogi and Boo Boo.
Simon Smith makes the point that, in an infinite Universe, any point can be counted as the centre, and I was making something of that in the 1980s, but it also means that any point can be seen as very far from the “centre” (any other point) and we still do not know how to include infinity in our thinking; it seems to be inevitable and impossible at the same time. Andyay says something about the origin of stare, but it would not mean Earth is something other than a globe. Seeing yourself as the centre helps with morale (going back to the Simon Smith point)
Stars, not stare (error)
@Andyay
Excellent post. Very well expressed.
The Electric Universe Theory, as articulated by the Thunderbolts Project was mentioned by another poster recently, and is the way to go.
Out of this theory it is possible to argue that gravity is of electromagnetic origin. Unlike the transverse wave EMF spectrum, it has been suggested that gravity is manifested instantaneously rather than 186,000 miles per second for light etc. A good analogy is the waving of a long rope – think transverse wave – as opposed to the pulling – think longitudinal wave – which acts at once.
This therefore represents a “unified theory” that mainstream physics has looked towards; albeit it, with the wrong mathematic tools and underpinning ideas…
Walt Thornhill gave a very good exposition of this idea that I have posted in these comments several times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWiBxWieQU
The elimination of the ether/aether from scientific thinking was a triumph for the mental gymnastics promoted by Einstein. Of course, the disapproval of Einstein has been wrapped up in the trope about “Nazis condemning Jewish science” etc Once again, anti-semitism is employed as a device to promote epistemological inertia…
As I always maintain, the physics and engineering of antigravity was pioneered by the Germans towards the end of WWII who understood real physics. It was subsequently captured by the Americans. And again, academia promotes the Einstein nonsense.
The aether has to be brought back. All the “string theory” and Hawking’s waffle needs to go…Mathematics should serve science in the same way finance should serve economics. Like most things, the inversion of reality serves the status quo.
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The possibility of accessing this (instantaneous) gravity with technology would make for many tantalising engineering projects. If one could harness these “gravity waves” it would be possible to communicate across vast regions of space far quicker than by exchanging radio waves that are limited by light speed…
Andyay, not with our pathetic eyes which can’t even see but a tiny fraction ( 0.0035 percent) of what’s right in front of our faces. We can’t see the wind, its aromas, our thoughts or many other tings but they’re there nonetheless.
Why might a tiny fraction of unique people like Don Juan Matus and Joan of Arc ‘see’ spirits, fairies, angels, etc. and peons like myself cannot. They ‘see’ different.
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Prabhupāda: No, there are gold mountains also.
Yaśomatīnandana: Where is that located? (laughter)
Dr. Patel: In your mind.
Prabhupāda: No. Where is the sun located now?
Yaśomatīnandana: 93,000,000…
Prabhupāda: No, no. Sun. Sun. Where is located now?
Yaśomatīnandana: Oh, it’s out of my sight.
Prabhupāda: You cannot see it.
Yaśomatīnandana: Sumeru we cannot see. It’s not on the earth?
Prabhupāda: You can, but you have no eyes.
I was only teasing, hp. The Vedic model of the Cosmos seems as plausible as any to me. It has genuine appeal to an advocate of an electric universe. Plasma cosmology is completely compatible with the Bhu Mandala.
I would, however, honestly dispute your point about the superior acuity of those who can perceive Elementals and Angels. Don Juan and Joan of Arc probably aren’t the best of examples to illustrate your proposition, either.
Whatever Castaneda’s merits as a writer and thinker, the greater likelihood, is that Don Juan was a Socratic prop and a fictional creation.
Joan of Arc practised the black arts. Her infanticidal boyfriend, Gilles de Rais, was said to be accomplished in the conjuration of malevolently-disposed demonae.
Dubious examples notwithstanding, it is my personal experience that the inhabitants of the subtle realms, the Ljosalfar or Elvin folk, to use the generic, permit some people to see them. It has nothing to do with second-sight or psychism. If the Wee Folk allow themselves to be seen, you’ll see them. Their abode is elsewhere now, anyway. They no longer reside among men.
Earthlights or glowing Orbs are less cautious than the denizens of Tier-na-Nog.
I believe that Orbs are a superior manifestation of cosmic intelligence. I’ve thought of them as angels, sometimes.
I have communicated directly with Orbs. They understood my spoken greetings and were even kind enough to participate in a small experiment, for my educational sake.
As I stood there talking to them, (there were two on this particular occasion,) they were hovering about ten feet away, just above an electricity sub-station. I asked them if they could, somehow, demonstrate to me that they understood what I was saying and that I was not merely hallucinating their presence. Immediately, one of them shot toward me at impossible speed and stopped just inches in front of my nose. For some reason, I burst out laughing. I was genuinely overjoyed. I very much sensed that the Orb liked my response to its Orb humour. Upon returning to hover at the side of the second Orb, I spoke to them both for several minutes more, in the full knowledge that they could comprehend my words. It was past midnight and cold, though and I had to get back indoors. I told them that they were very beautiful; I thanked them, said goodnight and let them be. I give my word that this is a true personal experience of mine.
I reflect upon the Orbs with awe, to this day. It happened about fifteen years ago now but I still feel truly privileged, to have been allowed the opportunity to briefly share the company of such magnificent beings. Namaste.
Andyay, thanks for this. You’re a gentleman and I appreciate this almost as much as I appreciate your well disposed immense intelligence.
I believe you’re correct as per Don Juan (bad example) but as for Joan I’ll side with my long time hero Mark Twain who as you know entertained a very intimate relationship with St. Joan. Sometimes, whether via karma/dharma a person finds himself willingly or unwillingly in association with ‘friends’ from very high and low places.
Anday, throughout my life I too have experienced supernatural happenings. Once upon a time when I lay at death’s door broken and dying I was approached by the servant of Yamaraja and by Ganesha who appeared and rendered him impotent in his duty to capture my subtle body after my passing to transport me to the court of Yamaraja for judging and sentencing. Shades of Ajamila for whatever rhyme or reason. One of the utmost highlights of my life and near death. There have been others as well. Lord Shiva’s grace, as it were. And yes I have seen the wee ones with my own eyes. When I was five years old they frightened me so badly I turned and ran full panic speed directly into a wall in my hallway, lol.
Also one childhood event in the woods which was evidently so traumatic to me that I only catch small discombobulated glimpses of now and again and to this day eludes any access to my conscious mind. That’s ok though because . . Hare Krishna!
You likewise are a gentleman, hp. I enjoyed your post. I’ve wondered about the apparent hesitancy of readers at this site to share their mystical or paranormal experiences in the comments. Maybe they do the moreso, at Les Visible’s pages.
I can remember Q.K. recounting the tale of a haunting that he and his family had endured. Otherwise, it’s generally only me, who confesses to high spookiness, meetings with Wee Folk and chats with Orbs etc. Not that I do very often. So, thank you for sharing your transcendent encounter with Ganesha and the servant of Yamaraja. Who postponed your carriage?
I fully understand that you shouldn’t want for greater recall of childhood encounters with the Wee Folk. Their presence can be terribly unsettling. I would suggest though, that their interest in someone is usually life-long and tends to continue through generations. They’re quite capable of inducing complete amnesia, to prevent any recollection of their visits. In a sense, you have to want to know them, before they’ll allow limited memories to return. If you persist in nagging them, then, as it was in my case, they’ll reveal themselves to you while you’re in a waking state. It doesn’t matter how familiar they become, being among the Little People, is always a test of courage. I’m rarely as ambassadorial with them, as I ought to be. I don’t really know why I should have knowingly sought out the harrowing of my nervous system, other than the need to understand my experiences and to learn. I guess that’s where we all are at, really. Goodnight, dear fellow.
Strange experiences–do we want to open up that book? It could dominate all the comments, and why don’t we just read Colin Wilson? I’ll give one, called “the verge”; it once happened in the dinner queue at school, a feeling that I was on the verge of receiving all knowledge, and this is more possible now than ever, and I will verbalise it here and there.
Castaneda’s don Juan, mostly a fiction (but he sounds like he was based on some experience of the peyote Indians), said that the encounters with the opposite of our familiar world, in a type of yin-yang relationship, but not quite, were always terrifying and he had a name for them slightly reminiscent of yin and yang. Likewise I get spooky feelings off the Wilson books, because they give stories of demons, one of which turned out to be a dead drunkard whose death did not stop him being obnoxious. My general rule is that if something wants to scare me, it has to fuck off
Lewis, I can name that tune in two words – Hare Krishna!
Bhagavad-gītā 15.15
“The living entity forgets as soon as he quits his present body, but he begins his work again, initiated by the Supreme Lord. Although he forgets, the Lord gives him the intelligence to renew his work where he ended his last life. So not only does a living entity enjoy or suffer in this world according to the dictation from the Supreme Lord situated locally in the heart, but he receives the opportunity to understand the Vedas from Him. If one is serious about understanding the Vedic knowledge, then Kṛṣṇa gives the required intelligence.”