HenryMakow.com – May 11, 2022
Dark Aliens control humanity, Human History has been hidden from us. ET light workers are around to help out, if we know how to communicate with them in hyper-space. The technology of psychedelics will get you there.
Disclaimer- I don’t subscribe to any of this but as with my flat earth friend, Edward Menez, I am willing to give EG a hearing.
Clif High is an Internet data mining expert who uses “Predictive Linguistics” and computer programs to sort through billions of bits of information on the Internet to predict future trends and events.
“Jews, Masons et al didn’t make up all the shit we are living under, dark Aliens did. Even Genghis Khan’s real history was not about just killing off villagers as we are spoon fed, he wiped out the villages where they knew Aliens were hiding out.”
by EG – (henrymakow.com)
Clif High is one of the very few that talks of his hyper-space encounters with dark Aliens, ET light workers and explains what they are all about. He has had many encounters with both groups in his ‘trips’ to hyper-space’ so IMHO he is uniquely qualified to talk about them. He is so well read that his genius shows through on all areas of life, a true philosopher in the style of the ancients.
His latest points on Disclosure is that sometime in the next few months, once the federal reserve has crashed out, the Globalist while freaking out will leak information admitting them and their technology; all in a ploy last ditch effort to maintain control over the masses as they try to instill their New Digital Currency and ID control.
About Aliens, he tells us:
The Jews chose the Aliens as god with Aliens using Jews since then as their puppets. Once kicked out of everywhere the Jews set up their own puppets aka Freemasons.
Yes, dark Aliens control Jews, who in turn control Freemasons all the while the ET light workers try to help us out; BUT first we need to awaken to our Lost Humanity History to see what really happened. No ET is not coming to save humanity, we need to do that collectively as all are of ONE the source.
As most people do not believe most stuff from media, or what govt force fed them with; it is highly unlikely that many will believe what i write here. I leave it to what the universe says ‘we will give you all you need, BUT, you have to work for it’. Cosmos knows we have all answers available if we work to find them. Simply put, know your history of Aliens wars on earth that they won and as history repeats itself, are they going to win the present Armageddon?
UFO filmed over Jerusalem 4 cameras – Real or Fake? 1/28/2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5X4Behp9s4
What can you conclude by a UFO over Jerusalem?
It is a physical object in our Universe.
It is contacting Jews – and we know Jews to be malevolent.
They aliens in the UFO are NOT MAKING CONTACT with the rest of us.
Thus the UFO is a hostile, it is real, and it is treating humanity with contempt.
This also means a higher intelligence is interacting with this planet – and that can not be good – it implies that earth has owners and we are the cattle.
I am from a family with links into the intell world
i dont go along with all this
the jews worship satan
and they interpreted the christian part of the bible according to them
#as only jews spoke yiddish so its twisted
The jews part stuck on the front of the christian bible is a jealous vengeful god,
not a turn the other cheek type
so its not the same god
Aliens are real there are many types
“In my house there are many masnions”
These “dark aliens” are actually fallen angels, aka, Demons. They reside in a different dimension but can move back and forth between their world and ours. Their supernatural abilities can easily be explained by them being emissaries of Satan
More disinfo. Annunaki were in the servicetoself m.o. and came under the rules of the quarantine the Council of Worlds imposed on them thousands of years ago so they left the Earth. They are still mining on satelites of Mars. The were heavily interbreeding and the mongols/Djenghis Khan, like many humans today, carry their dna. Greek literature and Biblical stories give you many clues, so you can draw your own conclusions regarding their violent/dominant character. They have nothing to do with creating homo sapiens. ALL aliens in this sts modus operandi are now under this rule and quarantined. The last sts aliens were the pointy head aliens residing on Antarctica who influenced Washington dc politicians with their adenochrome program, they left too. You can find enough information in the public domain about that base and who visited. Alll other alien groups present on Earth or still visiting are in the service to other m.o. The Zeta’s are the first in assisting here in the coming transformation. Referenced as the ant people in Hopi myth.
Sasquatch, an intermediate of the six root races of man, was under protection of the COW too, you can figure this out yourself since they have the seemingly uncanny ability to elude detection but since mankind will be driven into the wilderniss and share the environment with them soon, the COW have allowed more sightings now to educate mankind. Their quarantaine is a search for piece, they are friendly and carry human dna and can breed with humans.
“…Alien Identities is absolutely seminal, a real ground breaker…A “must-read” addition to the field.” — Whitley Strieber
“A Summa Ufologica of great importance…Thompson has written perhaps the most honest UFO book extant in the English language.” — Gnosis magazine
Alien Identities : Ancient Insights into Modern UFO Phenomena
The Hieronimus Show – Alien Identities 9/17/95
Sounds like something a Jew would dream up to divert attention & culpability from its transnational cult that rules the world. According to this theory, the Jews aren’t responsible for monopolizing everything on the planet & are just innocent victims like everyone else, since its the ‘Aliens’ controlling them..
We will never make any headway against the slimy jew predator class if we continue to cling on to these childish delusions.
Makow occasionally reveals his true jew nature when he posts such retarded articles, while simultaneously claiming “duh, buh I don’t really believe this” … like a typical jew, hedging his bet. Then why the fuck are you posting it? Imagine a disgusting low-life pedo putting up reprehensible pics of children online, then claiming “duh, buh I don’t really support this”.
Hiding behind fantasies and delusions like “aliens”, “flat earch”, etc etc … are what the weak minded do. Men, **real** men, look cold hard reality straight into the eyes, and then go on a ball-busting, skull-crushing rampage. Women, children and homos, on the other hand, indulge in fantasies like cinderella, aliens, Planet X, etc etc.
“Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time.” Revelation 12:12
I guess you could call Satan an alien because his original home was in Heaven until he rebelled against God and was cast down to the earth. He later showed up in the Garden of Eden which is where he tempted Eve with his lie that she would not surely die if she disobeyed God and ate of the fruit of the forbidden tree. She ate of the fruit, and in due time, she died. The other rebellious angels were cast out with Satan, and they are here on earth today deceiving people 24/7 as Satan deceived Eve. The fallen angels are the aliens here on earth. Do not be deceived by any government deception that says we are being invaded by aliens from outer space. This is a possible near-future scenario that the powers which should-not-be may try to deceive us with. It worked to some extent back in October of 1938, thanks to Orson Welles. We all know better than believing that kind of thing now, don’t we??
I kind of like what the Prelate of the Russian Orthodox Church said on the subject of Aliens : to paraphrase, there are three sources of these beings, our imagination, angels and demons. If it were otherwise the Bible would have informed us.
Interesting to blend The Doors of Perception with the Bible on this subject and speculate what exactly Cliff has experienced. Satan is” A liar and a murderer ” and ” An agel of light “. Someone important sid that I think.
I am hands down a Cliff High fanboy, but one must be well mounted and well armed in this quest.
at least i think Rothschilds plutocraten
mafia pulling the strings maybe by
telepatic communication with evil
entities with their desert demon JHWH !
@ Lewis…
Clif High……
If I’m not mistaken Clif likes his psychedelics… and it shows…
Although one could argue that imbecile kind itself is merely a mushroom cult ..albeit without the mushrooms…
It’s amazing what your brain does if you take drugs. It’s even more amazing how many people will buy books about your trips. There was an episode of star trek voyager that had invisible aliens going around the ship experimenting on people — what’s the bet this guy watched that before sniffing or whatever you do these days? The most obvious question is this: why on earth would aliens prat about with jews and economies? Are they the universe’s most bored occupants? The second most obvious question is the same one that always pops up with aliens: why would aliens want to interact with humans at all? There’s millions of other beautiful species on this planet and they pick the one and only ugly and evil one? I think not…
Maybe it is a social control hoax like Werner von Braun said
The majority of aliens on this planet reside in Israel, New York, and their other tightly knit enclaves.
The main danger, of course, is that we are guided to look at “aliens” so that we don’t look at Jews. White Elephant wrote about this well enough, and, in Icke, Reptilians are controlling half-breed Aryan-Reptiles who are controlling Jews, who are somehow still good while the full Aryans are not, (so Icke just did some damage-limitation for Jews, who Hitler was very naughty about, like in the msm). Despite this, I believe in aliens, some of which left Earth as humans in SE Europe ages ago. Runes and Greek-looking letters are in Space.
I have still not looked at Clif High, and flat-earthers are only for entertainment, created by Craig at FTFE, and Creaky Blinder.
Alien Deception
Light years in a tin can
It’s a one world plan
For all the Sci Fi fans
Ancient Aliens
History it bends
The illusion never ends….
From a song I wrote some years ago
If you go back to the 70’s (maybe before) people in the UK will remember the ‘Bureau of Aliens’ in London, where immigrants would go to be checked in. Alien is merely a meaning to someone NOT OF that nation. Then the science fiction writers took it on board to mean entities from another plane(t).
The reality is there are no extra terrestrials, from outside the earth. What there is though are beings from beyond the ice wall, you all know as the south pole (yet no magnetic south pole as there is a north pole?). It encompasses us. Beyond this ice wall there are many more lands as seen in a map, uncovered in a Buddhist monastery from the 10th century AD.
There are multiple progenies on this earth. There are those from the line of Adam & Eve, Those from those from the line of Eve & Satan (Cain), those from the the line of Lilith (the Jews believe she was the first woman created by God, but rebelled as she would not submit to Adam and was cast out. This could also very well be the promotion of the Gaia cult, which Judaism is, that is a matriarchal religion) and those from the line of Fallen Angels who mated with the daughters of Eve to create the Nephilim. And of course, EVERY mix of all. There is also the high possibility of chimeras as well. This is where it gets interesting. Africans, for example have a Simian plate (extra bone behind the bottom row of teeth). Caucasians don’t but Ape species do. While not as pronounced as the Apes, it is there. This has continually been ignored by Anthropologists because of its sensitivity bringing into the racism slur, but nonetheless something that needs to be addressed.
It is also believed that there are specific locations on this earth that are guarded. There are bird men, snake men, lion men and all manner in many folklores. I read an article where monks guard these passages, crossing between worlds.
They have not left the earth, because they can’t. We are enclosed within the firmament. However, outside is another story. Think about it? Our governments constantly talk of food shortages, land shortages, too many people, oil running out, global warming, dying from a asteroid strike…it goes on and on. What they don’t want you to know is that beyond the ice wall there are many more lands and very big too. What if people on this earth are actually from outside? What if Caucasians are from beyond the ice wall? Do you not see that the flat earth model destroys global warming? It also destroys being hit by an asteroid and being invaded by aliens because there are no plane(t)s outside the earth? It also destroys their oil, food and other resources running out.
The lie that we live on a globe allows them to keep everyone trapped inside their box, controlled and enslaved. But who are these people? Well, my guess is that they’re all direct descendants of Cain, from his line, from Eve and Satan. The Jews are also from his line.
This is a good video to watch
And yes, as with the firmament above, they also found the bottom as well. Two men filming for Blue Planet in the Gulf of Mexico discovered it. Two days later the helicopter they were in exploded killing both men.
I continually tell you people. You are being lied to and the most important lie is the earth we live on. This is from where all other lies stem and this is why you are all controlled. And think about it? We wouldn’t have to suffer Greta Thunberg if people realised we don’t spin around a giant sun.
> “In my house there are many masnions”
You have to be careful in the middle of the night. Stubbing your toe on a masnion can hurt like hell.
> Despite this, I believe in aliens, some of which left Earth as humans in SE Europe ages ago.
They left a note I believe: “so long, and thanks for all the fish”.
> Runes and Greek-looking letters are in Space.
Just floating about minding their own business or have they got a plan?
> I guess you could call Satan an alien because his original home was in Heaven until he rebelled against God and was cast down to the earth
I heard he wore God’s favorite loafers to a party and got some pizza on them. The Almighty was not pleased and told him to hang out with man for 20,000 years as penance.
Space Aliens eh Im not being funny but we have enough trouble with the xxxxx on this earth never mind looking to space for an excuse to shift the blame.
> Satan is ”A liar and a murderer” and ”An agel of light“. Someone important sid that I think.
Presumably after downing one too many lagers.
Makow has a Genius IQ and has written some great stuff.
Then he takes these bizarre Left Turns, such as endorsing Eckart Tolle and this current daftness –
What a hurried concoction of nothing. Glad that a timelines has been given regarding the imminent ‘crash’ of the Fed. This terrestrial implosion will not happen in the given time frame so you can safely ignore any extraterrestrial musings.
Sorry Charlie….
• Nico X on May 12, 2022 at 2:14 pm
Sounds like something a Jew would dream up to divert attention & culpability from its transnational cult that rules the world. According to this theory, the Jews aren’t responsible for monopolizing everything on the planet & are just innocent victims like everyone else, since its the ‘Aliens’ controlling them..’
This and all the previous similar comments are negated by the simple fact that only a very few days,ago Henry Makow also posted THIS up –
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=253306
The wisest Greek of all said ‘I only know that I know nothing” but apparently everybody commenting on the Internet know everything.
So why do they read anything in the first place, if they know it all already?
I personally applaud Makow for posting up things contrary to his own writings, because it shows a willingness to see things from different perspectives .
None of us can KNOW the Ultimate Truth, the best we can do is to be honest TruthSEEKERS.
@ ERIK BLESSING
talking bullshit !
Yes, there was an ‘alien’ incursion, ‘alien’ to the Earth certainly but certainly not space aliens…The Bible has some references (hidden and explained away by most mainstream sects). Look to the Book of Enoch.
And here I thought this website had forgotten about the whole issues of aliens, as we have seen a lot of the mainstream media and the Pentagon acknowledge the existence of non-manmade technology that comes in the form of off world vehicles, UFO, UAP, and USO. A lot of these evidence come from credible sources, not the ones you see on fringe websites and social media, or on “Ancient Aliens”.
My issue with this website, every since Trump won his election on 2016, it has taken a harsh turn to the right, peddling in QAnon and 4chan that it wouldn’t have done in the past, like the one about JFK, Jr being alive. All throughout the years of the Obama administration, people were scared that he would become a dictator. But now, you have many people on the right who want Trump to become a dictator, and would welcome it. The point I’m making is that this is done by design to further divide us in this left-right paradigm. Do you think that the aliens care about CRT, trans athletes, abortion, or Dave Chapelle? Of course not.
Do you think that all of this was thought up by some very clever humans? Hardly. They want you to believe that, but the truth is that they are slaves to fallen angels, who are behind all of these grand deceptions. The network of hundreds of years of wars, murder, lies, and deception are only possible by the comparitively higher minds of fallen angels, who their slaves must now convince us are aliens from other planets (UFO’s), which do not exist. Only those given the Holy Spirit from God are aware of some, or many, of these things, praise God. Perhaps those high up in Satanic worship are also aware, but they are also well-deceived by their masters, whose condemnation is certain. Satan has the whole world deceived, and all its power, money and weapons are on his side, which is exactly where God wants him. Praise God forever!
@White Elephant …
Quote: ” … beyond the ice wall … ”
You need to lay off the re-runs of Game of Thrones, pal … and the crack pipe as well.
@ White Elephant
> If you go back to the 70’s .. Alien is merely a meaning to someone NOT OF that nation. Then the science fiction writers took it on board to mean entities from another plane(t).
The war of the worlds, 1800 and something or other. Way before some government bureau.
> Beyond this ice wall there are many more lands as seen in a map, uncovered in a Buddhist monastery from the 10th century AD.
Where’d they get this map?
> There are multiple progenies on this earth. There are those from the line of Adam & Eve, Those from those from the line of Eve & Satan (Cain),
(Eve was a bit of a tart)
> those from the the line of Lilith (the Jews believe she was the first woman created by God
But we all know that she’s from Evangelion.
> Africans, for example have a Simian plate (extra bone behind the bottom row of teeth). Caucasians don’t but Ape species do.
Racist much?
> While not as pronounced as the Apes, it is there. This has continually been ignored by Anthropologists because of its sensitivity bringing into the racism slur, but nonetheless something that needs to be addressed.
These anthropological ignorers, are they apes or non apes?
> It is also believed that there are specific locations on this earth that are guarded. There are bird men, snake men, lion men and all manner in many folklores. I read an article where monks guard these passages, crossing between worlds.
I read an article where women fall at the feet of men and do whatever they’re told, but I never managed to find one in real life. Have you had any luck with these monks?
> They have not left the earth, because they can’t.
Maybe they like it here, watching you humans make fools of yourselves.
> We are enclosed within the firmament. However, outside is another story. Think about it? Our governments constantly talk of food shortages, land shortages, too many people, oil running out, global warming, dying from a asteroid strike…it goes on and on.
Those first four are all the same, with the same cause. I’ve never heard of a government talk about asteroid strikes, but it’s not like I listen to government people.
> What they don’t want you to know is that beyond the ice wall there are many more lands and very big too. What if people on this earth are actually from outside? What if Caucasians are from beyond the ice wall?
But not the blacks? Well, considering the weirdos you described from beyond the ice wall, you’re probably right about the whites coming from there.
> Do you not see that the flat earth model destroys global warming?
No. Do you?
> It also destroys being hit by an asteroid and being invaded by aliens because there are no plane(t)s outside the earth? It also destroys their oil, food and other resources running out.
Why? If the entire universe was your bedroom and it had one tin of beans in it you’d run out of food. What’s the difference if you make it a great big round bedroom with billions of tins of beans?
> The lie that we live on a globe allows them to keep everyone trapped inside their box, controlled and enslaved.
Box, globe, it’s all the same.
> But who are these people?
F*cked if I know.
> Well, my guess is that they’re all direct descendants of Cain,
Michael or Dean?
> And yes, as with the firmament above, they also found the bottom as well. Two men filming for Blue Planet in the Gulf of Mexico discovered it. Two days later the helicopter they were in exploded killing both men.
Ah, I see. I thought they crashed into a slab of rock, or the elephant’s back, I forget which. Now I understand.
> I continually tell you people. You are being lied to
No s*it. Thanks for telling us the truth.
> and the most important lie is the earth we live on. This is from where all other lies stem and this is why you are all controlled. And think about it? We wouldn’t have to suffer Greta Thunberg if people realised we don’t spin around a giant sun.
I can’t say I follow your logic there. Ms Thunberg is a girl who cares more about the planet than she does about humans — a perfectly sensible outlook if you ask me — but why would she cease to care if she thought we were in a giant baseball field instead of on a giant bowling ball? Or do you think she’d just disappear in a puff of smoke?
Meanwhile, back in the real world…
@Guy Reid Brown…I’m not referring to Makow, but to the author named ‘Clif High’ who supposedly wrote this alien stuff..
I’ll give it a little longer,but this stuff is beyond a joke….
TTS…starts with “I don’t buy this but will put it here for information ”
THERES TOO MUCH OF THAT…all it does is give the Jew McKow credibility….HE IS A DISINFORMATION agent….he has jewish contacts in NZ….
Infact almost ALL people contributing to this website…are Jews!…..what a surprise…
They even have a CRACKPOT spreading THE FLAT EARTH TRIPE.
There could be 👽 👽 👽 👽 👽 👽 👽 👽 …but until such time there is concrete irrefutable evidence….dont waste your time.
Does anyone even read the nonsense written by “smoking mirrors”…he is another jew and he is a brick short of a load….like this Australian who purportedly had to flee to Mexico….DONT WASTE YOUR TIME….
Too much more and I certainly won’t be accessing this site again.
Logic suggests that a manuscript created a couple of thousand years ago cannot possibly predict events today and is not relevant.
Recall that this bible has “steals” from Ancient Babylonian texts AND the Egyptian Book of the Dead…..
You can imagine that certain people would benefit from a reintroduction of this superstitious claptrap…..
Meantime in the real world the jews are busily concocting a third world war…..some may have noticed that the buffoon Boris Johnstein is getting a makeover by the jewish media….from utter prick to a churchillian figure.Needless to say the media is not keen to advertise that the fat alcoholic was a jew.
As has been predicted….tyranny is afoot….the usual suspects of course.
It appears BOTH LEADERS OF FINLAND ARE CRYPTO JEWS….this does not bode well for their country.
JUST LOOK AT THE MESS THESE FIENDS HAVE DONE TO BRITAIN….a seething mish-mash of alien peoples….with rampant corruption…none of which is reported by the “free media”.
I meant White Elephant about 18 months ago, not FE wHITE eLEPHANT; i JUST watched some of his video and I know most of the silly characters in it, like the Jew Weiss, a Gene Wilder type. They all get destroyed on FTFE like Spike Milligan’s Jehovah’s Witness boxer but keep on talking. Also in the comments, the demoralisor agent, like in Soviet days.
‘what the weak minded do. Men, **real** men, look cold hard reality straight into the eyes, and then go on a ball-busting, skull-crushing rampage.’
What a bizarrely contradictory statement.
First, ‘real men’ engage with reality – THEN they apparrently embark on an All-Out Psycho Berserker Attack on a grouping of their fellow-men – especially , and most egregiously, aiming for the most vulnerable spot, but also aparrently then going on to crush the cranium to assure total death rather than merely excruciating testicular injury –
What the Dickens?,
“The war of the worlds, 1800 and something or other. Way before some government bureau.”
The point I made was before science fiction writers, alien merely meant someone from another land.
“Where’d they get this map?”
It was obviously drawn.
“Racist much?”
Hence my reply.
“These anthropological ignorers, are they apes or non apes?”
Yup.
“Have you had any luck with these monks?”
Nope. Looking into it.
“Maybe they like it here, watching you humans make fools of yourselves.”
They meaning mankind, or more importantly, those NASA fools us into believing they are when they go up in their rocket and space shuttle.
“Those first four are all the same, with the same cause. I’ve never heard of a government talk about asteroid strikes, but it’s not like I listen to government people.”
Should have states our space agencies and msm mention asteroid strikes.
“But not the blacks? Well, considering the weirdos you described from beyond the ice wall, you’re probably right about the whites coming from there.”
Every possibility blacks and Asians are from beyond the ice wall. They are different races after all. Skull shape and all that.
“No. Do you?”
Yes, very much. The sun is around 70 miles up into the sky. It’s a local sun. Either the sun radiates a heat or heats up the air some other way around us. The moon gives off a cold light.
Watch the end of this video. When the rocket starts to fall back down to earth. Watch the clear change of the sun’s size clearly proving a local sun. If it were 93 millions miles away, there would not be such a drastic change in size.
“Why? If the entire universe was your bedroom and it had one tin of beans in it you’d run out of food. What’s the difference if you make it a great big round bedroom with billions of tins of beans?”
I agree, my point was misplaced.
“I can’t say I follow your logic there. Ms Thunberg is a girl who cares more about the planet than she does about humans — a perfectly sensible outlook if you ask me — but why would she cease to care if she thought we were in a giant baseball field instead of on a giant bowling ball? Or do you think she’d just disappear in a puff of smoke?”
Greta Thunberg is a puppet of Rothschild. A product of a narcissistic, fame seeking mother who never brought her up properly. She’s also part down syndrome as well. She’s a troubled child.
My logic is a simple one. Greta only exists, doing what she does because of the heliocentric model BS, that we’ve destroyed the ozone layer through cow poop and too much carbon pollution. So the fear of a sun flare wiping us all out is again, more fear porn from TPTB to scare the beJesus out of everyone into doing what they tell them to or else they’ll all die. Greta’s job was to heavuly indoctrinate the younger generations and get them all terrified that the world was about to end.
I always liked George Carlin’s take on mankind destroying the earth:
“The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles … hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages … And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE are!” [although we don’t live on a planet].
The late Stuart Wilde was the most in depth expert in this field. Forget the Govt issued ET coming in 3D form from other planets- they come through a vibration into ours- most world leaders are inhabited by these entities and thus the mayhem and havoc we have.
throw a dog a bone eh ?, fecking loonballs the lot of them, some of these commentators think they are on the ball, some think they are smart, the real screwballs think they are right, i believe there is a creator, that is all i know (or don’t know ), for what, why, or how, i do not know, i know i know nothing, wish these idiots knew that, cheers rixon for your work, not commented for a bit, nae wonder eh, if you are a fellow scot, or not, great site mate. to be fair, the krankie could be from outer space, they might be on to something, maybe i am nuts ?.
The article isn’t very well written, which doesn’t help. I’m not sure why the author should believe either that a second-hand accounting of a Clif High narrative, (which I personally have never heard said by the man himself) should bring any authoritative weight to his or her scaremongering spiel.
The poverty of the exposition is suggestive of another Makow-hosted pretend persona. Whomever E.G. is, the absence of any sophistication in his thought, tells of someone who is unfamiliar with core U.F.O. literature and has no direct experience of any of that which he expounds upon.
Anthropomorphism; ungrounded fancy; paranoic excursion; selective accounting; pet theories; petulant cynicism and petty ridicule. Discussing alien phenomenology does tend excite impassioned responses. I suspect that this piece might tease out quite a few more comments yet.
There’s a lot wrong with this article, though. The first, is that the “dark aliens” are not given description, as if what they look like were superfluous.
Are we supposed to imagine intrepid bipedal reptilians or baldy, veterinarian-type greys or aliens of a Sasquatch genotype? You know that you’re dealing with a charlatan when even a rudimentary physical profile (of an apparently formidable enemy) is studiously avoided in the text.
Another unfortunate facet of this topic is that the vast majority of the illustrations depicting aliens and accompanying articles like this one, are purely imaginative; most usually a variation on a likeness the artist has seen elsewhere but not to be taken as authentic portraiture. Some people, in their credulity, I’ve noted, seem to believe that an alien slips off its gown and lies lengthways on the chaise longue, whilst modestly adjusting its legs, lest its privates appear too prominently.
During the time that I’ve been commenting at truthseeker (and I’m three years in now,) no one else that I’ve noticed, has ever made the claim I make, although I’m confident that there are others like myself out there, who may be reading right now and have also had encounters with aliens.
I’ve written about my experiences three or four times here before and though I’m always loathe to repeat myself, I’ll offer a few reiterative reflections; a new detail or two and a link for anyone whose curiosity is peaked.
I have been visited by “aliens” since early childhood. I have memories of them from when I was four or five years old and my last encounter with them, I think, was about five or six years ago.
I’m fully aware that such a testimony as mine can wreak havoc on both public reputation and personal credibility. Honestly, though, such concerns have rarely inhibited me. It is to truthfulness that I hearken, however ontologically unaccommodating it may prove to those who lend an ear. I don’t mind it when people don’t believe me. I don’t speak about it much these days anyway. When I did throughout my thirties, the most common response I would evince was not disbelief but fear. Quite often, what I had to say brought anxiety to people. They would occasionally ask me to stop and seemed to regret eliciting the information from me. This was so, even though my memories of the Little People (because that’s what I call them) are piecemeal, like fragments from a lost Greek. As a factual data set, it all wouldn’t amount to a chapter of a book. Fleshed out with speculation, it might amount to a substantial volume.
If you’re telling the truth, there’s no reason to ever be offended or feel slighted by adversarial opinion.
Unfortunately, however, this is not a subject to which evidence can be brought to bear.
By the expedient of having had direct contact with them, it is an easier task for me, than it might be for others to identify the artifice characteristic of bogus narratives.
A familiar contributor at this site, Simon Smith, is the author of several books, but among them is his skeptical take on ufology called, “Fake Aliens And The Phony Nuke World Order” (which is available to buy at Amazon.) Simon perceives a studied psy-op afoot in the world of ufology and its adjunct, alien abduction.
I wouldn’t dispute, indeed, that Intelligence Agencies seed misinformation prolifically in the extraterrestrial milieu. It’s well known that they’ve been at it since the early 1950’s. Simon is also cynical about the existence of aliens but I hope that my private email exchanges with him might have gone some way toward softening his hardcore rationalist outlook.
You see, alien visitation is characterized by the impossible. It’s not an experience that lends itself very easily to reason.
I have been thrown against walls by an unseen agency, with what was apparently considerable force but have felt not a bump upon impact; instead I somewhow extrude through the wall, a sensation which has a quality of density about it that always made me think of a weight of beef pushing through a mincer. I’m not minced on the other side though but completely intact. It was quite often the case that once I was on the other side of the wall, amnesia ensued until I was returned to my bed later. The Little Peopld always, in my experience, remove you while your in bed and return you to there, whereupon confusion permeates for a while. Something has happened and whatever it was it seemed to be of quite lengthy duration; several hours and more but the clock tells you otherwise and barely an hour has past, since you last checked the time. This is a well known phenomenon of alien narratives, called “missing time.”
I’m no different in that respect to the many a percipient. I have experienced “missing time” on a good number of occasions.
Another leitmotif of alien abduction literature, which I can confirm, by my own experiences, is a real phenomenon, is that of “screen memories” which is a term describing the moments immediately post-abduction, when you struggle to remember what has just happened and a strangely unnerving and repellent image suddenly presents itself in your mind’s eye but it is not of your conjuration. The vividness of the image is extraordinary and so disconcerting that it acts to prevent any recollection at all of an experience just past.
I can remember two images that have been used to inhibit my recall. One I can’t tell you about because it troubles me in a visceral way still; the other, which was very unpleasant in its own right, was an image of two hideously deformed kittens, so weird looking that they’d even have made Dr. Moreau shudder.
By my reckoning, there is one singular authenticating feature, which distinguishes all genuine experiences with “aliens,” in contrast to fabricated accounts. That is, real experiencers NEVER make any claim to definitively understand the motives or the ultimate purpose of alien activity on Earth.
A possible exception might be where memories have been retrieved under hypnosis, though hypnosis isn’t always reliable when the experiential recall is drawn from a distinctively different dimensional frequency than the one that men are accustomed to. It is sensation unalike waking experience; quite dissimilar to any declension of sleep; rather, it’s a twilight in between the two. The Little People enter and exit this plane via hypnogogic and hypnopompic modalities of mind. They can induce these states.
With few exceptions, therefore, participants in alien liaison have only fragmentary memory of their adventures.
I have some quite detailed memories from childhood and I have twice seen the Little People with my waking eyes, so I can describe their appearance with honesty. Yet, none of that means that I’m privy to their secrets and I don’t know, even after all these years, why they do what they do. I can speculate, like anyone, of course, though I’d fancy that my guesses, which are parametered by experience, wouldn’t be as wild or loose as those of many who pontificate on the subject, like E.G. above, for example.
I wouldn’t put any heed at all to the new-age type pseudo-percipient, dispensing slick wisdoms all the way from Alpha Vega. Anyone who conjures elaborate exegesis and pretends to be party to exclusive knowledge, capable of unravelling the alien mystery, isn’t being truthful. If there’s one thing that authentic abductees always agree on, it’s that alien encounters are near-impenetrable to human understanding. All we really have to assist us are clues from personal testimony and perhaps, a handful of physical artefacts in the form of Dr. John Lear’s surgically extracted “alien” implants. Unfortunately, despite Dr. Lear’s apparent sincerity, it is a logical fallacy to equate these artefacts with aliens. They’re just as likely to be military hardwear of a construction unknown within the public domain. The astrophysicist, Jacques Vallée once suggested that the metaphysical essence, implicit in U.F.O. phenomena was mystery itself. A selective interaction to reinvigorate bewilderment and strike awe in men’s hearts, during an age of scientific absolutism.
[I’ve excluded channelled communications with aliens from consideration here because they represents a different phenomenon.]
Should any of this interest anyone, in the following link, I describe the authentic appearance of the aliens, who have visited me, at least, and also offer a clue as to who the Little People actually are;
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=247182
Mike D….now look what you have done……White Elephant has pumped out a screed of flat earth garbage.
The guy is a looney….infact these Co.ments have many such idiots….why does TTS publish them?.He selectively does NOT publish many of my comments.
Why does TTS publish palpable nonsense from that smoking mirrors jew…….
Incidently the Victorian govt is proposing a law to forbid displays of the Nazi symbol…..it is NOT a coincidence that Andrews was at the forefront of attacks on Australians free speech.
He purports to be a Catholic infact he is a crypto jew…..a MARRANO.
ALWAYS double check “catholics” …like Franco the Spanish dictator with the sephardic surname and Moroccan bodyguard plural.
I will have to start up a blog of some sort. And mention Mr Free Speech at the all jewish TTS.
AANGIRFAN has been shut down completely meaning it was genuine.
If you detect UFOs in your atmosphere you are screwed. Why? Higher intelligence usually treats lower intelligence poorly.
Look at how poorly humans treat monkeys – and every other animal.
Government fakes bird flu – then orders hundreds of millions of chickens to be culled. No concern whatever for them.
Likewise if a superior race comes to earth your ass is toast.
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Humans have no fur, and 23 pairs chromosomes – go look that up and study it, and you will soon have your eyes opened, if all other primates have 24 pair then how did we get 23 pair?
Primates have robust immune systems, why do humans have 4,000 unique diseases compared to the rest of the primates when we evolved from them?
Why is a chimp 7 times stronger than a human? Watch how a chimp tears another monkey into pieces with it’s bare hands. You can’t do that, you are a weakling compared.
How did humans get a huge brain – 3x bigger than Homo Naledi which was in Africa when modern humans “showed” up? Where is the time it takes for Homo Erectus brain to go from 500cc to 1500cc? That would take millions of years by evolution.
Sitchin’s theory is the most plausible I have come across and quit belly aching about him, he nailed it – some aliens came here and made us as a hybrid slave specie.
And all of a sudden in ancient Sumeria we get reading, writing, law, mathematics, astronomy, engineering etc. So how in the hell did that just happen all of a sudden? Ha! It would take tens of thousands of years for humans to develop those things all on their own.
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So when you say ‘oh, there might be aliens’, MAKE ME LAUGH. The only way we can exist is because of aliens. Naked ape in the ice age by evolution – yeah right! Without fur you freeze to death on the first night!
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE – WE WERE BORN SLAVES ON A PRISON PLANET THEN TAUGHT WE ARE GUILTY OF ORIGINAL SIN.
Given the numerous incidents in which UFO’s/ET’s have shown interest in nuclear weapons sites (and in some cases seem to have briefly taken control of the launch sytems), it is possible that should O’Biden try to launch, he will be stopped.
John Lamb Lash wrote “Not In His Image” about this very issue. He hits all the nails, right on their heads, and drives them home.
Has TheTruthSeeker carried anything on John Lash’s work? If not, why not do so?
I resisted commenting yesterday. lol
Life on Earth is an alien project. Humans didn’t evolve on Earth, we were brought here. I think they watch, and tinker with their pets, and they might be amongst us, and in fact, the them and us, is probably very blurred.
Do we assume the supper successful reach positions of corporate and political power, do this by chance, by using traits, such as having mental profiles and brain scans that put them in with mass murderers?
These so says humans, view humanity (the sheeple) as a commodity.
So there maybe an argument that they control us, but I am inclined to hold the view that aliens are observers, and won’t interfere in the sheeple’s free will, whatever that is.
We look at the vastness of the universe, but as we know, or should know, there’s always an opposite. So there’s going to be a way to traverse the universe, almost instantly.
Do aliens have this tech, maybe, but more likely, they just have super fast transit.
The problem for earthlings, is that we are very close to the REAL reset, when the Sun micronovas in the 2040s. The aliens didn’t save us then, but why would they?
The rain falls in buckets, and you see an insect being swept away in the gutter. Do you throw yourself onto your knees to save the insect from going down the drain, no.
Humans have this nasty romantic knack of hyping their self importance, such as ‘Save the planet’.
Have you noticed that all the most frequent posters on here — the ones that post on every article — are all nuts? Flat earth, aliens and prison planets. Then they tell you they know all about why some so called leader is doing something or other and how they know how a ship was sunk or whatever. It’s the nutty leading the soon to be nutty.
Credo Mutwa said that Reptilians descended to tell Africans not to go technological. The messenger killed himself and was eaten in little pieces by the crew and the audience, tens of thousands of years ago. Our own people might have evolved on another planet after being taken from this one as Bigfoot. It is easy to get humans out of apes, and consciousness is the medium for the asleep/awake contrast, an inevitable yin/yang in the series, responsible for Science. The expansion of intelligent life into Space is like any other expansion, equivalent to replication, an established rhythm having to represent infinity, before a hybrid makes the enterprise intolerable to yang. No room to explain properly.
Clif High states beliefs are a hormonal response yet his belief in his own experiences with alien beings is evidential and not belief because his brain is different? No disrespect to him – he makes some interesting points but his completely atheist perspective misses…everything really.
His denial of any spiritual aspect (despite numerous interactions with natural psychedelics?) and the ego he demonstrates would lead me to suspect he’s a shill/gatekeeper/intel gatherer
For a professed logician he makes a lot of contradictory statements
Out of all the posters on here, I am the only one who has shown, video evidence that proves the heliocentric model is 100% BS.
Out of all the posters on here, I am the only one who has proven as to why they promoted the heliocentric model over the flat earth model that we live within, a perfectly created ecosystem with a local sun and moon, both giving off different lights.
What I find truly sad is the level of complete indoctrination of all those who oppose flat earth and worse, attack, vehemently, those trying to wake you up.
Are you completely incapable of realising that you have been lied to?
Do you not see in the many videos, I’ve posted, that everything you look at, that shows the earth to be curved is coming from a fish eye lens?
Do you not see the absurdity that you believe, because of the magic of gravity (no one can explain what it is), not one of you can feel the spin of you heliocentric model, rotating at 416 metres per second? Seriously people, have you lost all common sense? You know what it’s like when you’re driving in your car and you have a coffee in your hand, having to do a quick turn or a sudden stop and the coffee goes all over the place? And yes, on this premise, the oceans and the seas all get on with their business, even though the world is spinning at 1,000mph+?
If you take off from London Heathrow, to travel to Paris, how on earth are you going to get there, on a jumbo jet, traveling at 450mph, when Paris is moving away from you at 1,000mph?
The sun, in many videos I’ve posted, can CLEARLY be seen traveling away from you, out of your field of vision and yet you still believe it’s going over the horizon. Are you daft? How on earth can the sun get so small, as it does, in many videos when it’s 93 million miles away and as massive as NASA says it is? You wouldn’t see ANY CHANGE IN SIZE for crying out loud! And then you have the audacity to say “ah but the earth isn’t getting smaller, it’s the glow of the sun” – smh….
The video of the rocket, in my previous reply, falling down towards the earth, you can see the sun DRASTICALLY change size. How on earth can it do this? How is this possible if it’s the size it is, 93 million miles away?
How on earth can you zoom into the sun, with a telescope, when it’s 93 million miles away? There is no lens, nearly as powerful to do such a trick and your answer is “Ah, NASA have really powerful observatories…blah…blah…blah…”
And what’s worse, is even though I continually give you evidence, there is none coming from any of the heliocentric model promoters.
Yukon Jack, as much as he has knowledge on much of what’s going on in life, having taken the red pill, lives inside an HG Wells novel. He’s Sitchin daft, with his planet Nibiru, Annunaki, Planet X and all other nonsense from this science fiction writer.
Lewis Jones, who has a grasp like Yukon on what’s going on, once someone who studied FE, now ridicules those who post about it, as though he’s see the holy light of NASA. And he shows no evidence of the heliocentric model just, like Yukon and others, makes disparaging comments at flat earthers.
I have posted videos, the one with the two oil rigs, proving that they should be hidden by earth curvature and not only are they not, but there is miles of sea behind them. I have posted articles of ’10 Landmarks that Prove the Earth is Flat’, showing places hundreds of miles away that should be miles below the curve.
And yet, with all the evidence I give, you still say “that’s wrong”. Smh…..
You all offer no proof, unlike I do.
You continue to say “well the earth curvature calculator is wrong…blah…blah…blah…” – when it is actually right, but that’s your only come back courtesy of cognitive dissonance kicking in. How can you see landmarks, so far away, that should be under the curve? There’s something wrong isn’t there people? Something wrong with the fact that you haven’t grasped THERE IS NO CURVE!!! Geez….
And you still, have the audacity to call me a loon?
Who’s the loon? The one who’s awake and sees what’s going on, or the one who believes in NASA?
I posted an article, showing ALL THE CREW of the 1986 Challenger shuttle crash, all to be alive and not one of you comments on it, continuing to believe NASA and that they all died?
I continue to give you evidence, after evidence, after evidence and all you do is attack the people in the videos as idiots along with myself with your only reply as “only a moron would believe the earth is flat”.
All of you fail to understand that you are STILL plugged into the Matrix. You think you’re awake, when you are incapable of seeing that the biggest lie of all, you still believe, acting as cult members to this Heliocentric cult, all created by Freemasons, whom, other than NASA, space, planets, aliens, giant balls of fire, spinning through a galaxy, one of many, in a universe so big, you attack CONSTANTLY, seeing them to be behind all the control in this world, themselves puppets. WTF is wrong with you all?
And of all the pictures of from the Hubble Telescope, not once did NASA think of turning it 180 and taking images of the earth. Interesting huh?
And how do they know how big the universe is?
You see, what people like you fail to see is that they are taking the piss out of all of you, creating theories as to why this is this and this is that and you fall for their BS hook, line and sinker.
I know, above all I am not an idiot. I am most certainly not mad. I am and have been awake for quite some time now, understanding more and more with every hour that passes. Most of you, on the other hand, are still completely asleep, believing the greatest lie of all.
I don’t deceive as it’s not in my nature. I seek the truth, I promote the truth and do my best to help others see what is, smashing the mirrors and blowing away the smoke.
All of you on this forum need to open your mind and start using not only your five senses but your common sense.
It saddens me, greatly, to see all of you on this forum, attacking those true individuals, who seek to help you see what is, those who try to tell you, you’re standing on a flat earth, encased within a firmament, surrounded by an ice wall, with many lands beyond, you are restriced from going to, by very powerful people. You fail to understand that your behaviour is no different to how the vaccinated see the unvaccinated and the holocaust believers see the holocaust deniers. You are the mob, with your torches, seeking to burn the witch. I really put most of you on a high level of intelligence, from some of your comments on this site, but I’m beginning to have second thoughts. I really am believing many of you to be trolls. You can’t possibly be awake to all that you promote on this site and yet dish out such vitriolic abuse to people who know the earth is flat if you are not disinformation agents.
To all those who CONTINUE TO ATTACK Rixon, telling him that his site is going to hell in a handkart, full of loons, FUCK OFF and go and annoy someone else. If you don’t like it here then I don’t and certainly know that Rixon doesn’t give a shit. I have used profanities because they get the message across. This is, by far one of the best sites, on the internet that consistently gives out incredibly useful information on the status quo and TPTB. If you don’t want to accept that and show respect then close the door on the way out. You’re not welcome. This site, sadly, has attracted so many arseholes of late, it beggars belief.
And to all those, who still think I’m a loon, I used to post as HARBINGER on this site and many before. You didn’t think I was an idiot then did you? I posted on Lasha Darkmoon as Harbinger. I had Harbinger’s Journal, deleted by Google. Before that I had ‘The Destruction of Britain’ blog, also deleted by Google, when I posted as Winston the Smithy, also posting on many internet newspaper columns under the same name. I have given as much information to as many people as I possibly can, over the last 22 years, posting on the internet, going all the way back to Gumtree forums in 1999, when I posted as Orwellian Logic.
I am by far, certainly not stupid and more awake than all of you can possibly imagine.
I commend Rixon Stewart on his website and long may it stay, continuing to educate so many people on what’s going on.
Thank you Rixon. And thank you to all the commenters who show respect to others on this forum, even when they disagree with them. Your debate is always welcomed, along with your common courtesy and civility.
I’m going to let you all into a secret; one which is not at all prominent in the canon of ufological literature, though I’ve encountered a number of oblique references to it, in abduction testimonies. I’m only telling you this because I like you – but you have to promise not to tell anyone else yet.
The Little People use geometric shapes and sound harmonics cartographically; as both a location co-ordinate metric and as a means of moving between etheric frequency bandings. I don’t know if this aptitude represents a technology or a natural skill. My instinct is that it’s the latter.
Now, it seems that different geometric shapes are seen by different people, who have likewise experienced this. I will just describe what happens to me when the Little People appear, seemingly from nowhere.
I mentioned their preference for labouring during twilight and it has been been just after I’ve closed my eyes to sleep but while I am still awake (and perhaps beginning to drift a little,) that I have experienced these fascinating intrusions. On one uniquely instructive occasion, the Little People allowed me to fully recall the schema utilized in the accomplishment of materialization and dematerialization. I can tell you what it looks like but I can’t tell about how it functionally operates. It is nothing complicated though.
In my case, I am suddenly given to see the appearance of a whole series of small circles, arriving one after the other in rapid succession. The circles are black and the background is off-white. As each new circle appears, it is accompanied by a musical note, like a delighful chime of a bell. The first circle is the root note and each new note, sounds an interval, rising through the most beautiful scale, like angel song. It is of another apprehension of music, so exquisitely sublime.
The circles do not simply aggregate abstractedly; each circle positions precisely to describe a geometric whole, which as I mentioned above, can express as different forms. In my case, the circles form a larger rectangle (lengthwise.)
When the final circle completes the rectangle, then a chord sounds, of heavenly resonance. That is precisely when the Little People appear.
Sound and shape are their navigational tools and somehow their vehicle also.
I once woke in the middle of the night to use the loo and noticed a strange heat on my chest. It was not in any way painful, nor was it an unpleasant sensation but it was unusual enough, to lift up my nightshirt, to have a look in the mirror. Across my chest, there was a perfectly defined, geometrically precise, bright red rectangle. Curious, eh?
Don’t tell anyone though.
@cashew
Good observation. For my part, I only comment nowadays to educate others… Extraterrestial life/aliens was the last frontier for me to explore in thix realm.
Agan: Bigfoot/sasquatch is an intermediate, one of the six root races of man.
@ Ghost Who Walks
“Has TheTruthSeeker carried anything on John Lash’s work? If not, why not do so?”
First guess: John Lash doesn’t affirm Jehovah as God Almighty. LOLROFL He doesn’t beeleeeeeeeeeeeeeeve in the Jew gawd – ban him! He talks of the goddess Sophia – he’s a heretic!
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I searched this site –> go to archives search “john lash”
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?s=%22john+lash%22&et_pb_searchform_submit=et_search_proccess&et_pb_include_posts=yes&et_pb_include_pages=yes
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John Lamb Lash: M 101 9 The Slave Species Meme
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHXjpytsQqA
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To be fair there isn’t too much differentiation to be made between inter-dimensional Gods and Demons… from the heavens..
Or extra terrestrials aliens…. from the heavens..
essentially both terms are interchangeable and the notion that Higher Beings from the Heavens created a trousered ape as slave and to worship them.. is both the same in the Bible and in the scribbles of Sitchin and Von Daniken… the Mahabharata and Enuma Elish..
inner space outer space …
But…. that is beyond the comprehension of most imbeciles… who choose to differentiate due to their perceived Aetheism and undoubtedly justified hatred of organised God bothering.. and the obviously human and earthly nature of fiat spirituality..
replace angels for greys and nordics for Christ like beings…
And halos for flying disks.. etc etc…
Far more interesting are the various ‘types’ of strange hominids… with varying ancestry and skull size…
Children of the Gods…. Star Men… Demons..
Like most things merely a matter of definition…. and much speculation..
@ Ghost Who Walks.
At the “Essential Reading” sidebar, there’s a Kevin Boyle byline, entitled, “Updated Repost: Future Zombies…” wherein, at comment number sixteen, I give consideration to John Lamb Lash’s parable of Sophia.
My ruminations aren’t critique. I don’t appraise Lash’s philosophy. I just try to cadence his thoughts honourably, in accordance with the ethos of the gnostic school.
It might be of some interest to you, given the absence of feature articles covering the Yankee Pymander’s work.
‘Sitchin’s theory is the most plausible I have come across and quit belly aching about him, he nailed it – some aliens came here and made us as a hybrid slave specie.
And all of a sudden in ancient Sumeria we get reading, writing, law, mathematics, astronomy, engineering etc’
andyay, Sumer is a yesterday event. Civilized humanity is on this planet for million of years. Recently (2020) was discovered an enormous city in the Brazil jungle that is way older than Sumer, archeologists kept it secret fearing the treasure hunters and looters. West of Cuba there’s a sunken city with pyramids, older than Sumer, Gobekli tepe is also older than Sumer, etc.
I’ve already said: Any alien civilization that is able to come to Earth is well developed technologically and wouldn’t lose its time to evolve monkeys for slaves – they would use ROBOTS. Just put yourself in their shoes.
We were produced to preserve them from extinction as their planet was inhabitable for high bio anymore.
Why they didn’t come directly?
There probably are many planets in the Universe similar to Earth but not identical. A small difference in the atmosphere composition and they couldn’t breath. A small difference in the flora and fauna and they could not digest it.
E.g. People with Rh- do not have enzymes to process the purine acids, they should not eat green onions, green beans, lettuce, meat of young animals, etc. as they will develop gout.
People with B-type blood protein (and B-type as a silent gene) should not eat meat, particularly red meats, because they don’t have the relevant intestinal bacteria and enzymes to process it – the result is colon cancer. One of the reasons for the production of cellar meat – it’s better for them.
The aliens combined their genes with the genes of the apes and here we are.
Why they chose the apes? Apes can use their front limbs as hands: if we do not have hands we cannot transform nature for our needs. Only humans can transform nature, the other animals accomodate to it.
Yes, Carl Johns, we were not produced on this planet – a) we burn under the sun (no animal does) b) we cannot look straight at the Sun (all animals can). It means that the planet some of our genes come from is more distant from the Sun than Earth. Our upright posture is not the best for the disposition of our internal organs and the gravitation on this planet
We were produced in a small series – seems our other parent didn’t have much time, mayby because of dire straits.
Humans grow slow, you can’t drop them here before their 20s. I don’t think that they produced more than 50 pairs – male/female, even less. We had to reproduce fast – that’s why human females have monthly cycles when apes go in estrus once in the year. Apes and the females of other mammals don’t have a menopause, birds and lizards have …. etc.
I am a time-traveler since 16-17 and a body exiter since infant.
In time travelling I had a body but the body was not mine – it was the body of some of my ancestors, male/female. It means that in fact I did not travel – I only opened files in my genetic memory.
In my body exits I didn’t not have a body – I was particles with the sensitivity of my human body: these particles were an energy replica of my body and mind.
With my material body I can’t pass through the wall, with my replica of particles I could do this.
So, why do you think that the aliens of the whole Universe are only from one species and why all would travel with their material bodies?
@ andyay,
Fantastic comments as always. You wax lyrical like a supreme poet.
@ White Elephant
Sorry, pal, but you’re full of shit and please take my advice and lay off the crack pipe. Your flat earth clown show and stupid comments concern me because they reveal a serious illness.
You really shouldn’t let casual mockeries get under your skin so much, White Elephant. You’re not likely to persuade anyone that’s wilfully chosen to resist persuasions.
I admit that, somewhat like yourself, I’m somewhat nonplussed, as to quite why incitements should ensue from a discussion of geodetics. I guess that the Flat Earth lobby is a fashionable whipping-boy of alternative thought at the moment. It doesn’t say much for someone’s intellectual autonomy though, when everyone so readily sings along in chorus and opts to close their minds to any further consideration of the subject.
We have to accept that there will always be gradients of enthusiasm for any given topic. I personally think that the Flat Earth theory is eminently worthy of discussion, though I don’t quite have your zeal for it.
Satisfy yourself in this: that your reach isn’t confined to a coterie of comment-addicts. There’s a wider readership out there, who may not say much but who take it all in. Pitch for them – they’re still listening. They wouldn’t still be reading otherwise.
Who knows what becomes of the written word, as it diffuses through cyber space? The best of us, may amount to no more than whispers barely heard. Or, it may be that crowds gather, in anticipation of our wholesome utterances.
I do fully endorse your call for greater civility in exchanges. Honourable comportment, however, can’t be policed and neither should it be. Some people aren’t here for mature conversation. Don’t expect everyone’s motivations to be of such high calling as your own. Nobody likes being boorishly insulted though; me included.
I guess that I’m just happy that I can be heard at all. Even a small audience is a privilege as far as I’m concerned. My only hope when I post is that people will be so good as to give me a few minutes of their time. It’s all the more pleasing therefore when fellow truthseekers take pause to respond to remarks. Whether it be to engage in debate, or to extrapolate upon a theme, or to offer a compliment, I’m pleased..
I have been taken aback at times, in fact, by the generosity of the praise that I’ve received from my fellow truthseekers. It’s not just that I’m honoured and humbled; it’s that, it tells me, that I’m among good people.
Try not to lose sight of the fact that we’re among good people, White Elephant. You are, after all, one of our number.
@ White Elephant
Those who mock you and flat earth on this forum are not suffering cognitive dissonance. They’re not legitimate researchers and truth seekers interested in serious debate and discussion. They’re controlled op trolls and limited hangout artists instructed to gatekeep on critical issues.
I’ve had numerous exchanges on various threads with Yukon Jack , Mike D , O , Lewis Jones, dwd and others. It was obvious from the beginning that they were not legit researchers but agents used to antagonize and obfuscate. The globe/ helio model is so f ### ing absurd , there’s no way that those commenting here , who are obviously of high intelligence and have red pilled themselves on so many other issues could not break the spell regarding flat earth.
@ Mike D
You keep telling others to lay of the crack pipe. Maybe trying to project your own past problems on others ?
You thoroughly humiliated yourself in our exchanges on previous thread . You’ve already conceded that nukes and big bang universe are fakes by acknowledging that Einstein was a charlatan. You know that earth is flat , I know that you know earth is flat , so just come clean and relieve yourself of the burden. Your handlers won’t be happy , but it’s for the best.
@ andyay
LOL. If you spoke to people in that way in real life they’d call you a ponce. What’s with the forced formal speak? It’s painful to read. Embarrassing even. This is the most cringeworthy thing I’ve read on here for a long time:
“I admit that, somewhat like yourself, I’m somewhat nonplussed, as to quite why incitements should ensue from a discussion of geodetics.”
“Somewhat”? And twice?
“Nonplussed”?
“Incitements”?
“Ensue?
“Geodetics”?
It’s like you’re doing it on purpose.
@ Lucid & Ferrous
> With my material body I can’t pass through the wall, with my replica of particles I could do this.
> So, why do you think that the aliens of the whole Universe are only from one species and why all would travel with their material bodies?
Because we don’t believe all the other twaddle you wrote either.
@ Lucid & Ferrous
> a) we burn under the sun (no animal does)
Because you “evolved” to not have any fur — unlike all the decent creatures on this planet. You’re ugly naked freaks.
> b) we cannot look straight at the Sun (all animals can)
Eh, no they can’t.
> Any alien civilization that is able to come to Earth is well developed technologically and wouldn’t lose its time to evolve monkeys for slaves – they would use ROBOTS. Just put yourself in their shoes.
If I were in their shoes I’d have just got on with it. Why bother twatting about with the world’s most ugly species? And why assume that other species are evil like you to begin with?
> The aliens combined their genes with the genes of the apes and here we are.
You spout out whatever you like and here we are.
> Only humans can transform nature, the other animals accomodate to it.
Only humans are evil. The other species are their victims. If I were to do to you what you are suggesting your “aliens” did to your species then you’d say I was evil. But your abuse of all other living things isn’t?
> I don’t think that they produced more than 50 pairs – male/female, even less.
I really do wonder what fantasy you live in. Or are you writing “books” for money like icke? Do you enjoy making up nonsense? Otherwise, you’re just plain old cuckoo. Mad as a hatter.
There is another little-known model of the universe which refutes the heliocentric version called the Tychonic system. It was first theorised in the 1500s by Tycho Brahe and eloquently explains planet retrogrades and other phenomena which don’t make sense in the copernican model. Most if not all stars have a smaller binary twin and our Sun is apparently no different according to the Tychos model. Video blurb …
“Because this knowledge is not yet known it will probably be dismissed by most people. But it is a matter of fact that the current Copernican model has many un-resolvable ‘anomalies’. It is unable to adequately explain the observed empirical data. But the TYCHOS explains ALL of the empirical data and contradicts none of it. This should make you sit up and take notice! The Copernican model with the Earth going round the Sun is dead.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vU7Uo4JBePM/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/yzDLuYTJYS4/
https://www.tychos.space/
Planet X/Nibiru is circling on a long elliptical orbit around the sun and its dead companion. This unlit binary Sun lies some 18.74 times the distance from the Sun to Pluto at a 11 degree angle from the ecliptic, in the direction of Orion.
The Earth also has a dead twin, normally it is not visible behind the Sun. But since Planet X arrived in our solarsystem and halted her orbit it has become very visible now. See here:
https://t.me/s/ZetaTalk_Followers/13717
It’s what the Hopi’s call the blue Kachina dancing in the Plaza.
@markie,
Well, well, well … look who’s back! Taking a break from the chip truck, eh pal!?! Let me go out on limb here and say that you’ve taken an extra job as an ice cream truck guy for the summer; amitrite, pal? … in that annoying truck with the clownish chimes and whistles to get all the kids in the neighborhood to come running. Worked in the old days when kids were actually outside all day; won’t work today as they’re all glued to Tik Tok, Instagram, etc. So, expect low sales, and even lower tips. But enough about that.
You don’t understand the concept of motion and frames of reference. Think of a simple experiment: imagine standing in the middle of the aisle inside of a train. You’ve ridden in a passenger train before, right? Good. So, you stand in the aisle, and you put a little fan-blade jet pack on your back that can make you hover about 2-3inches off the floor of the aisle … in the moving train.
Now … think and visualize, if you’re capable: will the train keep moving forward, and you remain stationary and thus get crushed at the end of the cart? No, you keep moving with the train, even as you’re hovering over the floor of it. Intuitively, you should not move as you’re not planted on the train; you’re hovering just above the aisle. So, why aren’t you moving backward relative to the forward moving train? You will hover at exactly the same spot that you were standing in the moving cart.
There’s your flat earth psyop nonsense resolved in just one trivial example. When you can figure out the above example, you will understand. I won’t spoon feed you though. I’m not your mommy.
@ 4shame
I wrote the post at five o’clock in the morning. The second paragraph is muddled, I admit.. I rephrased it a couple of times but failed to notice the error of repetition. There was no second “somewhat” in the original draught.
Otherwise, it reads intelligibly. All I’m saying is, that there’s no reason for anyone to fling insults (incitements) over a discussion of the measure of the Earth, (geodetics.)
If you find the tone of my comment cringeworthy and not to your accommodation, well, you’re entitled to.
I have something of a measure of White Elephant’s sensibilities, though. I “knew” him when he used to be Harbinger. I remember his valediction in 2020, when he exasperatedly begged his leave of truthseeker. [I threw that sentence in, just for you.] White Elephant’s a very intelligent man who wants to be heard on his own terms, without prejudice. I think that’s perfectly reasonable. Every now and again, though, his frustrations get the better of him and the world bears on his heart like a house of fools. It’s not uncommon for truthseekers to feel undervalued. I just meant to reassure him that his efforts are not pointless but appreciated. I’m sorry that you find that contemptible.
My posts have different flavours and address a wide span of subjects. I like poetic expression and rhythm. I post fairly prolifically. I write on a screen that’s too small for the comfort of my eyes, mostly and without an editing facility, such as they used to have at darkmoon.me, typos and clumsy phrasings aren’t revealed till they’re revealed to all. I often feel that a couple of adjustments here and there would have made my post so much the better. Even after checking through, mistakes escape your attention.
Nobody, in real life, would have called me a ponce for what I had to say. I speak quietly and assertively. I’m tall, muscular, broad of stature and widely learned. I generally don’t converse with people as if life were a books. My intentions were sincere and that would have been recognized. Tone of voice is easily lost in script but whereas I acknowledge that, you don’t. It’s you that’s confusing the page and the person.
Anyway, I’m aware that you’re the poster, McDonald’s Public Relations who doesn’t enjoy literacy. You’ve said so before. However, while you adopt a new avatar every time you post, to circumvent any personal responsibility for what you say, with child-like evasiveness, I have only ever written here as andyay, my real-life first name, Andy and my real-life surname abbreviated.
Who’d be the bigger ponce in the pub? Me or the snide weasel who changes his name after every single round?
@andyay,
With respect to your last comment.
I must say I disagree with you, pal. Or perhaps I only agree with you partially.
When one encounters absurd nonsense, of course, the first, second, and third recourse should be to calmly and in a dignified manner explain to the person the absurdity of their thinking. That is, to use reason and sensibleness in the hope of persuading the other in the gross errors in their thinking.
However, when the imbecile refuses to rectify his views, then all bets are off. Then, one **must** get boorish, disparaging, etc.
Let me give you an example: suppose Smith says “Ted Bundy was a saint, and we should all emulate him.” Well, as vulgar as that statement is, perhaps Smith as no idea what Ted Bundy in fact did. So, you calmly and respectfully explain to Smith that his claim is outrageous. However, if Smith persists in his obscenity, then you bring out the big guns.
So, when people like “white elephant” and “nico x” push their flat earth and Aleister Crowley garbage, you engage with them reasonably and point out the absurdity of their beliefs. When they persist, then … all bets are off.
If you had seen the chronological evidence you would have noticed that I have explained to that stubborn mule “white elephant” numerous times how the flat earth fantasy is a Tavistock psyop. A reasonable person who did not know this would say “gee, thanks, let me see what the Tavistock Institute is, and what constitutes a psyop.” White Elephant is too ignorant to do that, and like some talking doll from back in the day, repeats the same absurdities ad nauseum; that is, in a high pitched nasal voice: “bah, bah, flat earth” “bah, bah, flat earth videos” “bah, bah, flat earth” “bah, bah, flat earth videos!”
In conclusion: the key is to approach discussions with olive branch in one hand, and a machete in the other. When reason and common-sense don’t work, then resort to boorish insults.
andyay,
Firstly thank you, but I get angry at these people who offer no evidence to their FREEMASONIC, heliocentric, model while denigrating others who give plenty of evidence to the flat earth and firmament principle, along with giving detail as to how precisely the heliocentric model coincides with all of their agendas, pushing the world into a totalitarian state. They have no argument. They are supposed to be awake. I very rarely get angry in debate but I’m opening the door to these imprisoned fools, telling them to come, leave, be free and yet they shout insults, telling me there’s no open door and just a figment of my imagination.
They believe themselves to be truthseekers when they are nothing but bullsh*tters, ignorant to the reality that the most important lie ever told, is that the earth spins around a giant ball of fire. Can’t these people think? Are they not capable of simple common sense?
Secondly, it is a pleasure to read your posts. Your command of the English language is second to no one on this forum. People could learn a lot, from it. A good command of English grammar shows an educated mind, but more importantly a willing to learn. Those who denigrate your fluency, are fools. Don’t even consider debate with these imbeciles. Don’t lower yourself to their standards.
Thirdly, I am not telling any untruth. The earth is flat, well it has hills and valleys, but it is not a globe. Middle earth (that within the ice wall) is certainly circular. There is a world outside but we can’t see it due to the Antarctic treaty. This in itself should have the alarm bells ringing. “Oh but it’s been designated a nature reserve and that’s why we can’t go in there. That’s good. They need to protect the wildlife from man’s destruction of it and global warming” is the usual BS you hear from these people.
There are so many red flags. Anyone with the slightest modicum of common sense should be able to see that flat earth destroys so much of the control mechanisms currently in place and that which they seek to bring in.
I guarantee andyay, the more you or anyone, looks into it, they see that it’s 100% truth. I don’t deceive. I always tell the truth.
markie,
As you will see, I stated that they ‘had’ cognitive dissonance, but if they were as truly awake as they say they are, they would clearly look into flat earth and understand, with all the evidence given by you, me and others on this forum, that the heliocentric model is just complete and utter rubbish, created by Freemasons, in order to bring in their future, complete control of every individual on this earth. The fact that they are not only incapable of seeing this and CHOOSE to ignore all the evidence given, they then castigate, pillory and lambast, bringing mental health into the debate, to further attack the opponents of heliocentrism. I then stated that they were clearly trolls, behaving no differently than the vaccinated to the unvaccinated or the holocaust believers to the holocaust sceptics.
Everyone who looks into flat earth, that is those with an open mind, not closed, will immediately understand that the earth does not spin, it does not spin around a giant sun, itself spinning in the milky way, which is traveling at millions of miles an hour from the big bang. The fact that the stars haven’t changed, proves we’re static and not traveling anywhere, let alone spinning.
Yes, they are trolls. There’s no doubt about it and sites like these will get them. It’s a pity. I used to enjoy reading Yukon, lewis jones and others on here but I simply can’t bring myself to even entertaining their ideas anymore because of their belief in Freemason programming of the masses with the absurdity of heliocentrism, planets, giant burning suns, aliens, galaxies, universes and all the other nonsense from science fiction writers.
@ Mike D
Your man on a train with a jetpack example. How do you know that will happen?
Actually, first, I will say that I’m a round earth kind of guy. I don’t hang with the flat earthers.
The usual example is you’re in a car or plane or whatever and you throw a ball in the air, and because it doesn’t smash through the back window you’re on a ball. Why? Who knows? But the ball not moving is because when you threw it supposedly straight up it was actually up and forwards due to you going fowards in the car or plane or spaceship when you threw it. But your jetpack man ain’t like that is he? If his jetpack is holding him up it could also be pushing him forward or backwards too.
Another thing is this. Let’s throw out the jetpack and just have the man thrown up into the air so that he’s magically hovering there. Ok, what happens if, whilst he’s hovering, the train goes twice as fast, or ten times as fast, or a thousand times as fast? I don’t know the answer, but it seems to me that he’s lost his original forward motion that was keeping him stationary in the train — or rather, it’s no longer enough to keep him in the same spot — and he’ll be crushed to a pulp at the end of the train. What this tells us about round vs flat I’ve no idea, but then I’m obviously an idiot.
@ andyay
You see, now you’ve changed back to human speak. That previous post — what were you smoking?
I called you a ponce because of how you wrote not because of what you wrote.
And I can assure you that I’m not “McDonald’s Public Relations” — I’ve never even seen that name before. I despise that company so I’d never use it, even as a throwaway.
Mike D,
“Now … think and visualize, if you’re capable: will the train keep moving forward, and you remain stationary and thus get crushed at the end of the cart? No, you keep moving with the train, even as you’re hovering over the floor of it. Intuitively, you should not move as you’re not planted on the train; you’re hovering just above the aisle. So, why aren’t you moving backward relative to the forward moving train? You will hover at exactly the same spot that you were standing in the moving cart.
There’s your flat earth psyop nonsense resolved in just one trivial example.”
Hmm…
Hmm…..
Let’s look at your example shall we?
Firstly, no one’s hovering above the ground are they? They’re not wearing any jetpack are they?
Secondly using a train is a bad analogy. Why? Because the train does not have drastic turns in order to equate the effects of spinning.
I’ve already said this to you, which you conveniently ignored.
If you are driving in your car and turn left or right, what happens to your body? At what speed does one do a left or a right turn? Let’s say 20mph shall we? There is visible sway to the opposite side of the direction you’re turning into isn’t there? The faster the turn, the harsher the sway. So let’s use this shall we? A 20mph speed is the equivalent of 8.88 meters per second. The earth IS NOT a train moving forward or backwards, but instead it’s spinning, well that is as you globe believers believe. So it’s spinning at 1,037mph, counter clockwise. That works out to around 416 meters per second. Yes, so imagine being in a car, turning at 416 meters per second, compared to the 8.8 one would normally turn at in a car? Can you envisage that? And what’s your answer going to be – “duh because of gravity…” Smh…
You’re not getting it are you Mike?
We’re not in a plane moving forwards or backwards are we? Now, imagine if you were hovering inside a plane and the plane did a sharp right or left turn, still slower than the actual rotation of the earth? Where do you think you, in your little jet pack would go? Do you think you’d stay perfectly still or go crashing into the opposite wall of the plane it was turning?
So there’s your point debunked about jetpacks and trains. It’s really not very hard to do with you Mike, PAL, because it’s not that you can’t think, it’s because, as markie correctly states, you’re a troll.
And lastly on turning, ever heard of G-Force? We can use this to debunk globe, spinning earth.
It plays real havoc with the body’s fluids. If we drop or turn too fast for an extended amount of time, the blood in our body shifts, meaning certain parts of our body won’t get an blood. And if we don’t get any blood to our brain WE PASS OUT.
So let’s see shall we?
1G-force (1G) = 9.80665 metres per second squared
From the following link: Breaking Point: What’s The Strongest G-Force Humans Can Tolerate?
“It’s difficult to calculate the exact level of G-force that would kill a human, because the duration of exposure is such an important factor. There are isolated incidents of humans surviving abnormally high G-forces, most notably the Air Force officer John Stapp, who demonstrated a human can withstand 46.2 G’s. The experiment only went on a few seconds, but for an instant, his body had weighed over 7,700 pounds, according to NOVA.”
46.2G’s = 452.76 metres per second squared.
And the earth spins at what speed again – 416m per second?
So the above man withstood “a few seconds” before passing out.
Very interesting isn’t it Mike? We, somehow manage to survive on a spinning ball traveling slightly slower a second than the above experiment. And how many seconds have you been on this earth…exactly?
“Ah, but he was enclosed in a controlled experiment. We’re on an earth so it doesn’t affect us…” is probably the nonsensical reply I’d expect.
Ok, so let’s put that man on a flat surface and spin him up to the speed of 456 meters per second squared? Do you think he’ll stay fixed to the surface or very possibly, like dropping a pea on a rotating Stihl saw, go hurtling off into wherever? Don’t know? Well why not pop down to a children’s playground and get on the merry-go-round. Get a mate to fix it up to the back end of a motorbike and start the motorbike to increase the speed. If you’re not in the mood, then just watch this video. And of course, that was spinning at a fraction of the speed that the earth is. Goodness knows what it would be like for those living near the equator. They should be spinning off into space…
You see Mike, common sense dictates that heliocentrism is really a model that only a true idiot could believe in without having any common sense whatsoever, when you look at the reality of living on a ball that’s spinning at 416 meters per second.
“Ah but it’s because of gravity….Ah but it’s like being in a train that’s moving forward and backward, hovering on a jet pack…” This is you and all those who think that gravity has everyone magically not feeling any motion/g-force, with oceans and seas, also not being affected either. We turn a corner, in our car traveling at 20 mph and we shift to the opposite side we turn, yet somehow, spinning on a ball, at 1,037mph doesn’t affect us. Right, ok…..
And the coffee cup in the car; why on earth are the seas perfectly motionless at times and there’s no huge buildup of water on the edge, courtesy of the earth’s spin Mike? Have you thought about that…ever?
You see Mike D, if you have any ability to think then you’ll realise that you’ve been programmed to accept nonsense. Heck, they’ve even got an image of Pluto the Dog on the face of the fake planet Pluto and you still don’t see what’s going on. But if you continue to accept this nonsense then it proves one of two things; you’re either an absolute idiot, devoid of all common sense whatsoever, or you’re a troll.
Which is it Mike?
Can someone show me a picture and video of the flat Earth? Otherwise it’ only egocentric intellectualism.
Elephant–did you get over the “crepuscular rays” problem? It is not difficult, so you would only be letting us know your lame brain-power if you have not. Markie==remember that if you call someone an agent that person knows if you are wrong even if you can mislead some other people. I know you are wrong, so my opinion of you sinks a bit lower than it needed to be ; you are in false accusation territory, which is worse than poor I.Q.
@ Mike D.
Well, I guess that would describe a temperamental difference between us, Mike or perhaps it’s just a matter of being brought up in different places, with different ways.
I’m a Celt and we heartily enjoy engaging in the disputation of ideas but we do not seek, by our customs, to insult another’s person; unless it is, that we mean to fight that person and would have it known, by our affrontaries, that this were the intention. Although there’s brutishness in us, there’s honour too. We recognize the plurality of intelligence and the dignity afforded to men by being freely allowed to become that which is befitting to their own heart, by their own measures.
Ludwig van Beethoven excelled as a musician and composer, despite having to deal with a feckless, alcoholical father and hunger in childhood. Srinivasa Ramanujan was the son of a filing clerk and a housewife, who had no formal academic training and worked in isolation, managed to solve 3900 of the world’s longest-standing unsolved mathematical problems by himself. (The film Good Will Hunting was inspired by the life of Ramanujan, although he actually lived during the early part of the twentieth century.) There were quite a few people in his village who were convinced that Ramanujan was something less than intelligent, quite barmy, in fact. A man must, therefore, be the master of himself and strive according to the estimation of his own competences.
A man may struggle with the fineries of the Socratic method but if he knows all that there is to know about car engines and it happens that you’ve broken down in the middle of Exmoor, during a bitterly cold midwinter, who is intelligent? Do you phone the man of limited schooling who has expertise in car mechanics or do you dial the Professor Emeritus of Greek Philosophy at Oxford University? Don’t think about it for too long because you’re life might depend on it, in the middle of a sodden moor with hypothermia threatening. What if, disastrously, the mechanic thought that the Flat Earth theory was an “interesting idea” and that he thought it sounded “plausible”? Would you risk it?
Now that I think of it, that’s one for Henry Makow’s Scruples game. “Do you –
a. Tell the mechanic that he’s as thick as shit? Or,
b. Live?”
Quite a tricky one. I think.that Makow should relaunch Scruples for the S.J.W. market. I bet it would sell. With moral teasers aplenty, like;
“A Republican Senator has announced his intention to introduce a bill to ensure free speech on college campuses. Do you –
a. dye your hair and dance about on Capitol Hill exposing your brassieres?
b. dox the senator and stage mock hangings of his family outside his home?
c. scream really loudly for as long as you can?
d. phone the A.D.L.?
e. write to the senator, explaing why you think that his bill is a bad idea?
I rather like the idea of S.J.W. Scruples. Maybe, I should email Makow.
There is no indignity in lacking scholastic aptitude; there is nothing wrong with contentious debate; there is no need for hostility in disagreement. It’s the way I prefer it. You’re your own man though.
This thread’s been exhausting. Serves me right really. I chose to jump in.
@ White Elephant
May your truths be heard. May your health be sure. May your purse be plentiful and May Aphrodite bring you breakfast in her nightie.
@ 4shame
Well, okay, then. Let’s just be friends again.
lewis jones
“did you get over the “crepuscular rays” problem? It is not difficult, so you would only be letting us know your lame brain-power if you have not.”
The very fact that you are still, incapable of understanding HOW crepuscular rays work, truly beggars belief.
I’ll tell you in incredibly simple terms.
1. Take a ruler and put it over an image of crepuscular rays.
2. Draw a line from either all or a couple (either side) of crepuscular rays and connect the lines.
3. Where the lines connect there you have your light source.
Yes it’s really that simple.
You will find that it is NOT 93 million miles away, but more like 70 or so miles away. It is within, the firmament.
The fact that you cannot see the simplicity of crepuscular rays proves that you really must be incredibly stupid, incredibly indoctrinated that you cannot even use common sense, or a troll.
Which is it Lewis?
Oh and The Flat Earth Society is a psy-op.
@ andyay,
Points well taken.
Quote: “ Well, I guess that would describe a temperamental difference between us, Mike or perhaps it’s just a matter of being brought up in different places, with different ways.”
I would venture to say that the second proposition determines to the first. That is, our geographical milieu and our parents ultimately determine our temperament, although some of it may be innate. Even though my lineage going way back is English, I’m an American, and both sides of my family can trace their genealogy to over 250yrs in the U.S. From the region I come from, we are also very sensible and decent, but there’s also a directness and no-nonsense approach to interactions that would make an Englishman cringe, as they tend to be far more diplomatic and judicious in their criticism, as you are also. As well, one can get away with far more on anonymous boards than in real life. I would never speak to someone the way I occasionally do around here. Not because I can’t handle myself, but I would never instigate a fight, nor insult someone over an ultimately absurd issue, or even a relevant issue. It’s just not worth it. The only justifiable reason for fomenting conflict in real life would be, or should be, in self defense … not over some abstract matter.
Also, of course all professions and modes of work are honourable. Hard work and industry should never be frowned upon, whether it comes in the form of writing a dissertation or cleaning hotel rooms. I only use education level as a cudgel (and I will grant and admit that it is uncalled for) when encountering what I perceive to be a serious case of Dunning-Krueger.
Anyway, andyay (see, I also have a knack for poetry) … cheers, pal.
@ Mike D
I’m still working the burger stand , no ice cream truck. Hard to make a profit driving a truck with the price of gas. But I’ll have you know , I moved up to assistant manager at the car wash.
Instead of the guy inside the train , put him outside on top of the train and see what happens. OOPS Nice try though.
Do you think a skydiver maintains the same horizontal velocity as the plane once he jumps out ?
Ponder this while enjoying your Foie Gras and Chateau Lafitte —
There have been experiments done with cannons shooting straight upward, where the cannonball landed back down on the ground right next to the cannon. How is that possible with the ground moving 1000 mph ? The cannonball would have some inertia in the same direction of the earth’s alleged spin , but its being propelled vertically , while the cannon would be moving at the speed of the ground’s movement.horizontally. By the time the cannonball came back down to the ground a couple minutes later , the cannon would be long gone.
The ground is not moving.
Military weapon systems are designed to operate on flat geostationary earth. If the earth is stationary , then the sun has to move to provide day and night and the whole heliocentric model falls apart.
Stop embarrassing yourself and wasting our time on this forum with your amateur trolling,
It seems to me that the flat earth guys need to explain why they haven’t gone to the ice wall in all this time.
And the round earth guys need to explain why things a long way away don’t go below the horizon.
I’ve read you guys arguing over this many times on here, but neither of you have ever explained either of those — and they both seem to prove the point — but they, like you, can’t both be right.
No, White Elephant, you are just a bit thick; non-diplomatically, a lot thick. About andyay, I very much approve of his writing style, because he is the opposite of the gradual slide into illiteracy and even dumbness (inability to speak) and we need efforts like his to reverse the trend.
Ben,
“It seems to me that the flat earth guys need to explain why they haven’t gone to the ice wall in all this time.”
We haven’t, because we can’t. It’s called the Antarctic Treaty and restricts free passage to it Antarctica. Considering that Antarctica is 360 degrees, encircling the earth, you’ll then say “well , surely if it that’s big you can just get in a plane/boat and fly there?” If you tried to you’d be shot out of the sky or blown out of the water. And if you managed to leave the designated tourist spots, you’d be hunted down and arrested, but one of the many country’s armed forces personnel who have signed the treaty. Yes, that would very much happen. They’re not going to let people blow apart their heliocentrism lie are they? There’s simply far too much riding on it.
And of course, they’ll post articles like this:
Robert E. Byrd’s expedition to Antarctica is a clue that the Earth is flat.
This is another one of those ‘fact checkers’ put out on a part with the Reuters fact checkers that like to let people know that the covid vaccine ISN’T an experimental vaccine, even though when it came out they said it was.
Of course, there’s no ice wall…
HOW THEY HIDE THE ANTARCTIC ICE WALL FROM TOURISTS!
If people realise that the earth is infact flat and that the sun and the moon are local, then that means there’s no ozone layer. Hasta la vista:
1. Global warming, melting ice caps, carbon footprints, C02 emmisions charges, especially for vehicles.
2. Solar flares and asteroids destroying the earth.
3. Infinite alien species, ready to invade planet earth, thus no need for a world government, to create an earth defense force.
4. NASA and all space agencies exposed for being dowright liars and clearly thieves of public taxes for decades. Yup, no Hubbel telescope, no planets, no galaxies, no universes, all nothing but Star Wars, Star Trek science fiction, a creation from someone’s mind and nothing more.
When this is blown open, not only will it decimate a a large portion of TPTB’s control over people, but it will wake up billions of people, who’ll start question just what else they’ve been told that’s complete and utter BS.
lewis jones,
“No, White Elephant, you are just a bit thick; non-diplomatically, a lot thick”.
And again, lewis, more insults, more ridicule.
As I said, in order to find out PRECISELY where the light source, all you need to do is get a ruler and a pencil, lay it against the edge of two light beams and draw two lines. Where those two lines meet, there you have your light source. This is basic maths.
I do hope you realise that I’ve explained to you precisely how to find the location of a light source through crepuscular rays? You have a choice now lewis:
1. You can do as I asked, get a ruler and a pencil and find the light source, the sun and see that it’s NOT 93 million miles away, but 70 miles away.
or
2. You can continue to make a spectacle of yourself, along with all others on here who continue to deny the realities that Heliocentrism is 100% BS and we do not live in a spinning globe, circling around a massive ball of fire in space, while spinning in the Milky Way, itself travelling at millions of miles from the Big Bang.
I’m exposing you lewis jones.
You’re either so indoctrinated that you’re bereft of all common sense or you’re a troll.
Which is it?
> Can someone show me a picture and video of the flat Earth? Otherwise it’ only egocentric intellectualism.
Yeah. If it ain’t on jew-tube it ain’t real.
White Elephant–I kindly explained the question to you in two different ways a few months ago, only to be called stupid by the pupil who cannot understand, which was why I got angry back then. Today, no anger, I will just repeat one of the clues, or more than one. Someone used a drone to film divergent shadows of poles becoming parallel as the drone rises. Where do you want the rays to converge to other than sun, at WHATEVER distance? For the rays to be not-parallel, the source (sun) would have to be a long straight line. In schools, teachers are able to transmit this logic to eleven-year-olds, so you are still about eight.
@markie,
You silly fool! You clearly don’t understand Newton’s Third Law.
Quote: “Instead of the guy inside the train , put him outside on top of the train and see what happens. OOPS Nice try though.”
And quote: “There have been experiments done with cannons shooting straight upward, where the cannonball landed back down on the ground right next to the cannon. How is that possible with the ground moving 1000 mph ? ”
… because of the Third. Not Beethoven’s Third. Not Terminator 3 (terrible movie, by the way). No. Newton’s Third. As long as no acceleration is taking place, there will be no change in the relative position. Again: so long as there is NO force acting on the object in the horizontal direction (in case of the cannon ball) there will be no change in its position relative to the cannon.
Thus, you can fire a thousand cannons straight up … and they will fall back straight where they were shot from. What about throwing a ball up outside of the moving train … i.e. on top of the train? Well, there the ball will go **backward** relative to the train because of the force of drag acting on the ball … i.e. there’s negative acceleration or **deceleration**.
Weren’t paying attention in your senior high school physics class were ya, pal?
@white elephant,
Great satire, pal! I have figured you out … the accidental comedian! Seriously though, have you considered a career as a comedian, albeit a mediocre one that acts as filler for the real talented ones in shows during breaks?
You should really take these “ideas” about the ice wall, flat earth, “they” not wanting us to know about flat earth etc etc … take all these “ideas” to a comedy club and run it by them. I guarantee you that you will be hired, and it would be a hoot. Your wacko b.s. alone would be worth the price of admission!
@ Mike D.
We’re not so different then. Everything you say, resonates at the level of my own experience but I would have to ask, nonetheless, Mike – that if chivalry and temperence are the day-to-day standard, why should on-line exchange diverge?
Machinery mediates conversation between men these days but that mustn’t give us to suppose, that what we say, is to a cybernetic audience, to some insentient analogue of man.
If we are careful not to infringe upon the sensitivities of others in everyday circumstances and if we contend to comport ourselves with honourable bearing, while we attend to the mundane, why should our presentiments undergo transformation when we’re on-line? What is it that mitigates to render rudeness into something other than rudeness when it’s encrypted in binary?
Now, I wouldn’t want to be taken as a hypocrite – because I’m more than capable of unsettling the amateur or professional provocateur who would seek to disparage me with intent to my disrepute. It’s a defensive reflex.
However, I never proactively denigrate my fellow truthseekers, though I’ve certainly had disputation with one or two. I don’t flinch from the critique of ideas but I don’t, by my habits, demean the man, unless he should confront me with a will to spite. However, this doesn’t happen at all often at this site. We mostly tolerate each other and are usually fraternally and sororally inclined.
The obsessive-compulsive Nico X has his share of denigrators but then, he is so bloody repetitive. There’s really no pavement wide enough for his pedestrianism.
I feel for White Elephant though because he doesn’t deserve the ridicule that he’s put through, just for advocating for a Flat Earth. One way of looking at it, might be that there is a concerted backlash underway, to purge all counter-Cartesian currents in popular thought, by a Copernican hardcore, determined to reclaim their paradigmatic ascendency.
You can think me a fool (I don’t mind) but I’m pretty certain that neither dispensation – ball nor flat earth – can be definitively proved. You can deploy mathematical modelling to accommodate a preferred shape but that’s merely abstraction from hypothesis and proves nothing other than that mathematics can be extrapolated to demonstrate any physical potential.
I know something of the White Elephant’s capabilities, furthermore. He pre-dates me at this sight by a good number of years and although that doesn’t entitle him to any privileges, I can honestly assure you that his contributions here have been of exceptional calibre at times. He writes lean, muscular prose, that reminds me of a greyhound but with an acute journalistic apprehension. Even if I didn’t like him, although I do like him, I feel sure that I wouldn’t have found sufficient cause in his advocacy of a Flat Earth to denigrate him so profusely with scurrilous slights. He and I have engaged in minor disputations on occasion. We don’t always agree with each other, by any means. In fact, I suspect that White Elephant thinks that I’m a bit of a hippy but we are nonetheless mutually respectful because we’re both sincere men who try, by our means, to better educate others, whatsoever our passions may be.
When I write, I actually really appreciate being corrected where I’ve got something wrong. I’m fastidious about being factually accurate when I write. I always check any dates that I cite because I know that accurate retention of numbers isn’t one of my strengths. Inevitably though we all make mistakes and I’m thankful when error isn’t allowed to proceed. The marvellous thing is, the truthseeker readership isn’t inclined to petty spites and most usually, there’s no need to bare your teeth. You see, just as it is in our regular lives that we encounter disagreeable opinion, we are not wont to enter into futile extempore disputation but rather we tend to stay our visceral reflex and spare our wrath for that time when the conspicuously despoiling malcontent intrepidly ventures to bring us personal ridicule, just because counter-intuitive, ontologically unsettling ideas are discomfiture to his intellectual tolerances.
I meant “for the rays to look parallel and not not-parallel, even though they are, the source would need to be a long straight line”. That’s why I said it a bit wrong.
lewis jones,
You really, really, really, really don’t get it do you?
If we take a picture of crepuscular rays we will see that the rays will fan out like a triangle.
So……
If we take lay the ruler flat on top of the rays and draw a line up and do it with another one of the rays next to it, or as many as you wish, when the line cross one another AT THE TOP, there you have found where the light source resides.
Are you really incapable of seeing this?
Seriously? I’m trying to understand how someone is incapable of understanding something so, incredibly simple.
You really are not able to comprehend the simplicity of this lewis.
If the sun, a massive ball of fire, 93 million miles away, FAR, FAR, larger than the earth shines on it, the whole of one side of the earth would be luminated by the light. IT MEANS THAT ALL THE RAYS WOULD BE STRAIGHT BECAUSE THE LIGHT SOURCE IS FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, bigger than the earth. You cannot see this.
Watch this video.
Don’t skip it like you have all the others because it will prove 100% that crepuscular rays prove a local sun and obliterate the heliocentric model. If you still, after seeing this blatant proof (in fact anyone), think that we revolve around a massive sun then there’s really no hope for you lewis. You’re either completely indoctrinated, ‘contaminated’ as the Russians would say on those who go up against the wall first when communism takes over, or you are a troll. No one could be so stupid as to not understand this, when they watch AND UNDERSTAND the above video.
Again, more proof. All I give is 100% proof and you continually say “you’re an idiot…you’re a loon…stop smoking your crack pipe…..you’re just stupid….” and yet you lot give those promoting FE nothing at all, instead of regurgitated NASA crap.
Now lewis, I really mean this. This is my last chance I’m giving you to see the blatantly obvious. If you’re going to continue being the ridiculing fool/troll, then this is where we part our ways.
To Welef–it’s much too easy for pen and paper to be needed. I’ll watch the crap video, or as much as I can stand, and come back later. So far, you are about fifteen times slower to reject FE than I was. Some people are quick enough to have never entertained it.
No, I listen to hundreds of hours of these mongs at FTFE; IT ALMOST MAKES ME HATE PEOPLE WHO TALK IN AN aMERICAN ACCENT, (caps error) paranoid schizophrenics sometimes, taking on 400 years of science built by rare intelligences like Kepler or Newton and institutions which save all the best of man (till Jews get involved and falsify everything, as now with FE). Part ways? What does that mean? I don’t even know who you are, except as a commenter whose style has the colour and volume turned up, annoyingly, because you are not careful enough in building knowledge.
@White Elephant
When we ‘see’ the Sun are we viewing crepuscular rays coming directly from the sun itself or are we seeing the effects of its photons hitting the Earth’s atmosphere? If it’s only the effects of photons interacting with the atmosphere then that might explain why the sun appears to be a mere 60-70 miles away rather than millions of miles. I think it depends on whether photons are visible to the naked eye in the vacuum of space (I’m yet to be convinced that a dome exists).
A rough analogy is the beam of white light hitting the prism on the album cover of Dark Side of the Moon, except in the Sun’s case the band of light is invisible and we only ‘see’ things when photons are reflected off a surface or diffused by the atmosphere. Btw, I agree with you that heliocentrism is nonsense.