Alisha Rahaman Sarkar – The Independent May 2, 2022
Justifying Vladimir Putin’s call to “denazify” Ukraine, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov argued that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky’s Jewish ancestry did not matter.
“So what if Zelensky is Jewish? The fact does not negate the Nazi elements in Ukraine. I believe that Hitler also had Jewish blood,” Mr Lavrov said in an interview with an Italian television on Sunday. “Some of the worst antisemites are Jews.”
Mr Lavrov was referring to an unproven theory that German dictator Adolf Hitler had possible Jewish and African ancestors (see the link below on how Hitler’s surviving relatives have DNA indicating African and Jewish roots).
Mr Putin declared war on Ukraine on 24 February, describing it as a “special military operation” to disarm the eastern European country and remove leaders who he described as neo-Nazis.
Although Ukraine has a dark history of antisemitism, with the ultra-nationalist militia Azov battalion even fighting alongside the Ukrainian army in the three-month-long war, Nato and its allies see Moscow’s “denazification” bid as a pretext for an invasion.
The Russian minister said Mr Zelensky could promote peace between the two countries if he stopped giving “criminal” instructions to his “Nazi soldiers”, according to The Times of Israel.
There are publications “confirming that Americans and especially Canadians played a leading role in preparing ultra-radical, openly neo-Nazi subdivisions for Ukraine”, Mr Lavrov alleged.
Israel called Mr Lavrov’s comments “unforgivable” and “delusional”, saying he was suggesting Jews were to blame for their own genocide. Israeli foreign minister Yair Lapid calling the statement “scandalous and a horrible historical error”.
“The Jews did not murder themselves in the Holocaust. The lowest level of racism against Jews is to blame Jews themselves for antisemitism,” Mr Lapid said.
Continues … https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/zelensky-jewish-hitler-lavrov-russia-b2069625.html
Also see:
The killer fact in Larov’s comments is that Jew BBC Central doesn’t mention it, because once sheeple hear that Hitler was a Jew, the next domino is that Hitler spent over 1 year in the UK being prepared for his role in WW2 as a British asset, and the next domino is that IF we believe official history (we don’t), then, the UK murdered 6 million Jews, and tens of millions of Russians.
Maybe Lavrov should drink some vodka before his next interview? Better still, Putin should release files on JFK, Moon landings, Obama, 9/11, and the truth behind WW2.
not this old chestnut again
£ years ago hitlers parents remains were dug up and sent for analysis
no jewish DNA was found in the tests carried out in london and belrin
Hitler is NOT tony blairsfaher and NOT angela merkels father
he was Not a british agent
i dont really care what he was but lets stick to the truth please
NAZI coin with a swastika on one face and star of David on the other.
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/commemorative-coin-with-a-swastika-and-star-of-david-owned-by-a-young-jewish-girl-who-fled-nazi-germany/qQGm1j29x-bWPg?hl=en
That is all you need to know.
And guess who is the patron of the (Ashke)NAZI
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/gh51aw/a_coin_from_1932_depicting_an_all_seeing_eye_on/
Israel says Mister Lavrov’s comments were “unforgiveable” and this is very unfortunate, because we know how hard they try to forgive everyone, being good Christians and trying so hard to learn the Christian attitude.
An example of triple-bullshit,
• Hitler ‘had Jewish and African roots’, DNA tests show
• Clifford Shack – Was Hitler a Rothschild?
• Rothschilds Financed Hitler Takeover?
In this 1-hour video, all 3 claims are exploded and shown to be garbage peddled by unit 8200 trolls.
ADOLF HITLER NON ERA EBREO, NE’ SIONISTA E NON FU FINANZIATO DAGLI EBREI
(english subtitles)
https://archive.org/details/adolf-hitler-non-era-ebreo-ne-sionista-e-non-fu-finanziato-dagli-ebrei
For example, the third claim “Rothschilds Financed Hitler Takeover” is shown by Michael Collins Piper to be a gross fake as follows:
Begin quote→ BARON LOUIS DE ROTHSCHILD DEAD; PAID $21,000,000 RANSOM TO NAZIS
NEW YORK, Jan 16. (JTA) — Baron Louis de Rothschild, member of the Vienna branch of the famed banking bouse, died at Montego Bay, Jamaica, B. W, L yesterday at the age of 72. A resident of South Royalton, Vermont, Baron Rothschild was in Jamaica on a vacation. When the Nazis took over Austria in the Anschluss of 1918, Baron de Rothchild, then head of the Austrian banking operations of the family, was held prisoner by the Nani secret police. He was released only after lengthy negotiation! between the family and the Nazis and upon payment of $21,000,000, believed to have been the largest ransom payment in history for any individual.
After his release by the Nazis, be went to South America. Later he came to the United States and became an American citizen. Beside his commercial activities, the baron was known as an amateur archaeologist and as a sponsor of research projects in the physical sciences.
←End quote
Note the obit source, JTA/Jewish telegraph Agency.
So this is one source of disinfo, namely that Jews “financed” Hitler … yeah financed him by paying the largest ransom in history (how much was $21 million worth in 1918, a year after Bolshevik overthrow of Christian Russia? You could buy an ounce of gold for what, maybe $20? (just a guess, can’t be bothered to look it up) What is a million ounces of gold worth today—$2 billion?
But Jew agent provocateurs and their Calvinist Scofield lackeys will continue spouting this toxic rubbish ad nauseam.
Another claim regurgitated from the same book is that Sidney Warburg financed Hitler … except that there never was a Warburg by name of Sidney … etc/etc.
Bottom line: Ukrainian Azov are not Nazis in any true sense but 100% controlled and operated by Talmudist Jews like Nuland and Kolomoisky, serving Talmudist interests. They are the precise equivalent to ISIS, they are to Aryan people what ISIS is to Muslims—backstabbing traitors to their own ethnic womb.
The true NSDAP was the polar opposite, its very existence was predicated on the survival and well being of the German Fatherland and nothing else, in diametric antagonism to all things Judaic, unlike Azov.
At last and thank you Independent. When the msm mentions Hitler had African and Jewish roots, regardless from an interview, with Lavrov or not, we know it to be BS!
Jews are not a race, they are a religion.
Some of the Ashkenazim can be identified by certain characteristics but Hitler doesn’t have that look. There are brown Jews, black Jews and white Jews that don’t look Ashkenazim So what sort of a Jew was Hitler?
Jews are a religion and Hitler wasn’t a member of their synagogue.
What happened to German stocks in ww2?
German stock market
Stocks plummeted after the rise of Adolf Hitler in response to poor economic outlooks and a volatile political scene. However, in 1933, as Hitler begins to consolidate his power and put in place his economic reforms the German markets begin a massive bull run.
Jewish money could have been behind the ‘massive bull run’ I suppose.
But Hitler being financed by Jews…I doubt it.
Lavrov is having a laugh at Israel’s expense.
This clarifies his genealogy:
http://mileswmathis.com/hiller.pdf
This is also informative:
http://mileswmathis.com/putsch.pdf
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When David Irving was asked about Hitler being funded by international finance, he replied “He took money from anyone who was stupid enough to give it to him”
Whether Hitler had jew roots or not is irrelevant.
He was fully supported by jew banks from 1928 on, and duly served their interests. I strongly urge that everyone read Professor Anthony Sutton’s seminal work “Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler”.
Because Hitler was a degenerate drug addict (morphine, amphetamines, etc), by 1943, his brain was so fried that he may have become a loose canon, and an uncontrollable asset. However, make no mistake: it’s absolute historical fact that he had the unconditional support of Organized Jewry in his rise to power.
The Commies are trying to justify their invasion/slaughter of thousands of prowhite Aryan Ukranians as they implement their new Holodomor..If anyone has ‘Jewish blood’ its Lavrov & Putin. Any competent race hygienist can detect Jewish traits in their distorted physiognomies..This is one of the tricks of ZOG & their agents–to disseminate that Hitler was Jewish & the Nazis were ‘controlled opposition’. These type of posters are usually Jews-Communists-Christians. They promote this disinfo for two main reasons 1) a defeatist form of propaganda to denigrate real Aryan heroes/warriors like Hitler–attempting to convince the Aryans that any resistance is futile, since even the enemies of the Jews are ‘Jewish agents’…2) to prevent white gentiles from recognizing that Nazism was/is the only political solution to the myriad sociological problems afflicting the West–for it was the only historical governmental system that successfully combated & eliminated the Jewish socioeconomic control of the State. This of course they never mention..
Fast forward to the year 2525 . . . Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, nazi, nazi, nazi, Hitler, Hitler, nazi, nazi, Hitler, nazi, Hitler, nazi, Hitler, nazi, Hitler, Hitler, nazi, nazi, nazi, nazi, nazi, nazi, nazi, nazi, forever and ever amen or ad infinitum, whichever comes first..
Judaism is RELIGION. Whether Hitler or Zelensky practice Judaism or Buddism is of no importance. What’s important is that both guys have dysfunction of the thyroid. You know what it means.
Hitler was certainly popular… something the ‘jews’ have never been..
@ Nico X,
Quote: “… recognizing that Nazism was/is the only political solution to the myriad sociological problems afflicting the West …”
LOL! That’s like saying: “forget about toxic destructive chemo for your cancer. Inject sewage water into your veins for the remedy, instead” !!
Nazism is socialism (literally, i.e. national socialism) is talmudism is cabbalism. The jew even outlines this in his Protocols, written decades before the rise of nazism.
The only salvation of Western Civilization lies in the Sacred Trio of Jefferson, Adams, and Madison. “Uh, uhm, who?!?” Exactly. I get it, you’ve never heard of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and James Madison. But their Republicanism and libertarian principles are not only the cure for the cancers infecting the West, but for all of humanity. It is their ideas and ideals that will break our shackles.
There’s only one motto to live by: “Give me Liberty, or give me Death” … Any measure, or system of government, that will limit and restrict Liberty is tyranny, evil, and an extension of talmudism.
Notice ”Hitler is a jew” comment provoked many to defend it even on sites like this one. what we know for sure, war winners wrote history . alternative narrations were have been persucated into nonexistence in the mainstream. and Putin and Lavrove are serious leaders and speak what they believe in. they are reliable when they set goals and pursue their objectives. it’s rare to get caught in contradiction.
there are evils with the power able to inject poison forcibly into humanity in plan genocide. Talmudic teaching is the source of all evil. the only book unavailable publicly. if it wasn’t for good Jews we wouldn’t know what’s in it.
Russia will always talk about Hitler as long as he is the msm Baddie, because they can say “yeah, and we beat him”.
Hitler was a jew is classic British intel propaganda much as the rubbish now about Putin. Yes i agree i think Lavrov is mocking the jews Zelensky and co also the aZOGs, the whole Ukraine political situation is a farce . Nationalists in the West are hounded by the same political class now funding a bunch of tattooed thugs. I see the Russians may have captured a Canadian general which maybe the connection that these same thugs were used against the Canadian truckers. Remember Trudeau calling the truckers “nazis” ,truly Clown World
Hitler was what ???
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=85432
@Mike D….The libertarian ‘ideals’ of Jefferson, Madison & Adams have already been proven to be absurd & fallacious, since their system of government allowed Talmudic Jews to reside within the State; nor did they comprehend that the foundation of government isn’t ‘liberty’ but the institution of the power of one’s cult or Party over the moronic herd. The masses are too stupid to govern a State (democracy), thus an oligarchy of ‘philosopher kings’ must safeguard the welfare of the race.. The only reason Nazi Germany collapsed was not from internal corruption/dysfunction, like the American Republic, but from external enemies declaring war on them…better educate yourself some more, instead of looking like an ignoramus on here..
Mike D “Nazism is socialism is talmudism is cabbalsism ” ?! LOL.
How utterly clueless.
Don’t bother to come back till after you’ve done your homework.
@lewis jones…thing is, if it wasn’t for USA/UK ‘lend-lease’ & a multiple front war, the USSR wouldn’t have ‘beaten’ Germany…the Commies probably imagine they did it all on their own..
Fine stuff from Lobro.
Despite the confusion surrounding the matter, it is absolutely NOT a deceit, to say that Adolf Hitler had African paternal D.N.A.
Where the misunderstanding comes about, is in the (surprizingly common but erroneous) presumption that all indigenous Africans are of a sub-saharan phenotype and jet-black of skin tone. As I’ve written before, severally, at this site, the native populations of North Africa are WHITE of complexion.
These are the tribes of the Amazigh, of whom Hannibal Barca was a native son. The Amazigh are the surviving genetic expression of the historical Carthaginians. Among their contemporaneous kinsmen, are the fiercely independent, cavaliers (dromedariers?) of the ungovernable Tuaregs. Even Gaddafi couldn’t bring them to heel.
The Amazigh dispute that Hercules was Grecian and claim him for their own. Neither is their claim spurious. The pillars of Hercules spanned the strait between the Amazigh homelands of Mauritania across to Carthaginian Hispania/ Iberia.
Adolf Hitler’s Y-chromosome gametics were determined to be of the E1b1b haplotype, as evidenced by his surviving nephew’s D.N.A. analysis. (Paula Hitler’s son’s sampling.)
E1b1b is the ancient Phoenician/ Carthaginian vine, which was once very common in the Balkan region of Europe. It’s still there, in fact, spread amongst different historical nations but it isn’t nearly as predominant as it was in antiquity. Of all contemporary peoples, it may surprize the reader to know, that it is the Kosovans of Eastern Europe who vouchsafe the highest proportion of the E1b1b fatherline in their genes, outwith the still-thriving progenitor gene pool in the Atlas mountains.
Carthage was once so powerful that no foe could offer challenge to its domination of land and sea, from the Levant westward to Atlantic Lusitania, from the lower Nile to the Bosphorous and Crimea.
This is why the E1b1b lineage, to this day, encompasses what is now a geographic abstraction but was once the extent of Carthaginian influence.
So it is, that E1b1b is to be found among modern day Ethiopians, among sephardic jews, as well as among ethnic Europeans. Its progenitor stock IS African but from the white-skinned, Atlas Mountain, Amazigh.
Please dismiss the spurious and disproven claims of out-dated textbooks you may encounter, trying to tell you that the Carthaginians were semites. They were not. Even if it’s true that today, historically residual Carthaginian/ Amazigh D.N.A. characterizes certain jewish paternal lines. The Cohenim, however, have as much R1b1b haplotype genetics, (called the Atlantic modal haploype or Western European D.N.A.) as they do E1b1b. Neither E1b nor R1b are semitic. The jews just claim everything as their own. They’re an identikit in search of a sketch artist.
It might be instructive, upon this zygotic carousel, to compare the temperamental predispositions of Hannibal and Hitler and how emotional heredity might have affected their fates – after all, the two emperors were, indupitably, of the same genetic stock.
Thinking about it, I can readily discern similarities between them, in fact. Beloved and benevolent absolutists, brought down, eventually, by crises not of their own making but crises exacerbated by their proudfulness. Men whose will to power, personal uprightness, native intelligence and near religious faith in the competances of their own peoples, warped by the exigencies of brutal warfaring, till hubris of an Olympian grandeur intervened to overwhelm them both; as men and as leaders of men.
Across the highest pass of the thinning-air of the snowy Alps to fight Romans. In formation, from Archangel in the North, to Astrakhanon in the south across ice, to fight the Soviets.
@Nico X on May 3, 2022 at 2:38 pm
1. Israel was the first to construct a field hospital right after the Russian Spez Op ostensibly to treat the Aryan (Indian) race, their avowed enemy.
2. Xelenski is the first Israeli head of foreign state, as he is a dual citizen with undivided loyalty, as was in the news when Xelenski was selected.
It’s difficult to spell Zionists without a Z.
@Nico X … and you are saying those Zogs are NAZI Aryans instead of the zio simians that they are ?
There is no evidence that Hitler was a yid. This is actually an old Jew trick – it undermines the credibility person that is the subject of it, and it appeals to kike egocentrism (all clever people must be Jews).
Misunderstandings abound when hereditary genetics are discussed. First of all, blood-type is not a determinant of ancestry, so it is incorrect, strictly, to speak in terms of “jewish blood” or “Aryan blood,” even though geographic clusterings of specific antigen-deficient cellular markers in blood tissue, can offer some indication of familial association, it is D.N.A. signature that reveals haplogroup identity and racial genotype.
Without prejudice, Hitler’s y-chromosomal D.N.A. WAS African. Paula Hitler’s son (Adolf’s nephew) had his paternal gametics investigated and it was determined that he, (and therefore his departed uncle also,) was of E1b1b haplotype.
Where there is misconstrual, commonly, is in the unfortunate misassumption that all Africans are of a Sub-Saharan phenotype, with jet-back skin tone and wiry hair. However, E1b1b is the genetic line of the indigenous North African Amazigh, a WHITE skinned people of most ancient, Atlantean stock. (Or so they themselves claim.)
The Amazigh are the remnant Carthaginians of the Mediterranean. The geographic extent of historical Carthage is revealed in the modern day distribution of its surviving paternal lines. Thus, from the upper Nile northward to the Black Sea and from the Levant westward to Lusitania, E1b1b is dispersed, according to patterns of former Carthaginian settlement.
For this reason, there are Ethiopians of black skin and Europeans of white skin, as well as a subset of jews who all share the E1b1b y-chromosomal haplotype. Carthaginian men, it seems, were shagging any and all of the local women in the lands where they adventured, wooing or subduing as they went.
E1b1b was once very common in the Balkan area of Europe and it’s still very much extant today but it doesn’t demarcate nationhood, as it can be found among Bulgars, Magyars, Albanians and other peoples of the region. Among modern day Europeans, E1b1b is still the dominant fatherline among Kosovans.
This does not mean, however, that Adolf Hitler was a Kosovan or Albanian or Hungarian, although he may have been. Neither does it mean that he was of jewish stock. There is a strain of Levantine jews who do carry E1b1b signature genetics but it is a line seeded from the time of the Phoenician/ Carthaginian Empire and is not endogamous to jews. It isn’t endogamous to jews.
It is because much of this genetic decryption is on-going and has only recently been recently revealed and also because genetic science is not generally well understood, that you will find many a text still claiming that the Carthaginians were semites. This has been demonstrated to be untrue and it is the precisely why Adolf Hitler cannot be said to be ancestrally jewish. E1b1b originates in the Atlas Mountains, wherever it later expressed.
The Amazigh, incidentally, dispute that Hercules was Grecian and quite rightly claim him as their own. Spanning the strait between Mauritania and Phoenician Iberia, the pillars of Hercules were herald to all those entering the Carthaginian maritime jurisdiction. It would be prosaic but not fantastical to claim Herculean stock for Hitler.
There are, indeed, temperamental qualities, seemingly native to both Hitler and Hannibal, his genetic forebear. I’ll let the reader ponder on that one but, for example, both men, although noble of intent, could be said, ultimately, to have been brought to ruin by a common hubris, which impaired their better judgement in battle.
From the most vertiginous mountain pass, through the thinning air of the Celtic Alps to meet with Rome; to a formation, reaching from Archangel in the North, to Astrakhan in the south, across open plain and icy rivers, to meet with Winter and with Bolsheviks – both Hannibal and Hitler exhibited extraordinary faith in the fortitude and competences of their own countrymen.
@ anyday,
Fascinating and intriguing comment, pal. Very insightful.
@Nico X
Jefferson et al. got **nothing** wrong. What they could never envision is the depth of evil of a determined foe so willing to subvert the Republic. No nation state is safe from the type of subversion that Organized Jewry (yes, even around 1800) along with their Freemason dupes pulled off.
In 1798, Washington famously warned about how the masonic lodges had been infiltrated by a dark and malignant force. His words, not mine. There’s no ambiguity in one of his famous letters on this subject. The root of the problem goes back to the lodge system, and how it was completely appropriated and taken over by a very resolute and sophisticated group of satanists (i.e. Adam Weishaupt and company), and how they used freemasonry to destroy the American Republic from within.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/06-02-02-0435
I also highly recommend the outstanding Nesta Webster’s books on this subject, as well as James Billington’s “Fire in the Minds of Men”, for a history of how the sabbatean frankists succeeded in conquering the West via the lodge system. Same happened in France (especially France), and of course every other European nation.
In short, no system or society is safe from that kind of subversion.
Excellent posts from lobro & andyay (as always)
Good to see lobro and hp, posters who used to frequent Lasha Darkmoon’s forum
My apologies for the repitition. I thought the first post had been lost, after I interrupted its upload and so gave it a second shot.
@anyday,
hey, i hope that Rixon will bear the deviation from the topic at hand but you obviously know your stuff thoroughly whereas i am just a grazer who picks up what is needed at the moment.
And i have this question that is pestering me.
We males inherit the singular y-daddy-chromosome that dives down the centuries and millennia to some primordial Adam, while women run a similar lifeline to some Eve by way of mitochondrial chromosome.
Actually 2 questions-assertions that must be refuted.
• how did this Adam arise out of nowhere with the intact human chromosomal set, given that there were no qualified predecessors? All other beasts in Noah’s Ark had different and incompatible packages that wouldn’t have produced a chimera offspring if Adam had taken a shine on them (hmm, the woke sheeple … i take that back)
(sub-question)
•• can the chronology of these lines be established through mutation count and how old is this process.
• there must have been MORE THAN ONE Adam in order for different y-lineages to have issued forth at that juncture, ditto for a bunch of contemporary Eves.
what light can geneticists throw on these concerns (please God, that i may share the big Y with the right crowd 🙏)
@fj fj
I think you will find surprisingly that it was the Catholic church that exposed the ‘Talmud’ in the middle ages…. or rather, good men in its orders..
burning this jewish toilet paper regularly…
the inquisition was launched to uncover ‘jewish’ conspiracy (Torquemada himself being a ‘reformed jew’) and the jesuits eventually created in response by marano ‘jews’ to run cover..
for diabolists in the fake church..
I think the myth of good ‘jews’ is just that… after all they can seek redemption and choose not to be animist supremacist demon worshipers….the ‘jew’ religion (tamudism gnostic cabala) merely being anti-Christ-ianity..
and that goes for most Christians too…
NB; the worship of materialism and the conjuring of demonic ‘aid’ to procure it is quite obviously magic of the black variety..
lobro,
“how did this Adam arise out of nowhere with the intact human chromosomal set, given that there were no qualified predecessors? All other beasts in Noah’s Ark had different and incompatible packages that wouldn’t have produced a chimera offspring if Adam had taken a shine on them (hmm, the woke sheeple … i take that back)….there must have been MORE THAN ONE Adam in order for different y-lineages to have issued forth at that juncture, ditto for a bunch of contemporary Eves.”
Well, the first man was Adam. As for the first woman, the Jews believe that Lilith was the first woman, who rebelled and would not submit to Adam. Eve was created from Adam’s rib as we are told. In the garden of Eden, the picking of the fruit from the tree of knowledge was not as it seems. They weren’t evicted for that, that’s just nonsense. What did happen is Eve copulated with Satan and it is also believed that Adam joined in as well. The bible speaks of two different seeds in Eve; one created Abel and the other Cain. Cain was of his father, the devil.
So, Cain killed Abel and was expelled. It is therefore likely that he hooked up with Lilith, if she did exist and so there’s to bloodlines there. Then of course we can take in the fallen angels mating with the daughters of Adam, Eve and Lilith (if she existed).
The bible says that Adam was the father of man but Eve was “mother of all living”.
So we have, essentially those:
1. From the line of Adam & Eve
2. From the line of Cain
3. From the line of Lilith (if she existed)
4. From the fallen angels
5. From the fallen angels and primates (very high possibility).
6. And all the mixes of all the aforementioned.
Therefore you have quite a lot of different bloodlines going on there. And Satan wanted nothing more than to completely destroy the creation of God and he uses his servants, the jews, to do much of that.
Brother Charles is a dedicated and learned individual of Christianity and the bible.
DID EVE HAVE SEX WITH THE DEVIL or Did She Just Eat Some Fruit? – Parts 1, 2, 3 & 4
‘Brother Charles is a dedicated and learned individual of Christianity and the bible.
DID EVE HAVE SEX WITH THE DEVIL or Did She Just Eat Some Fruit? – Parts 1, 2, 3 & 4’
Brother, I’ve already told you – the Adams that had sex with MACAQUES. This is the cause that there are more haplogroups than mitochondrial ones! And the cause, brother that we have 8 (in words eight) basic blood types, as the MACAQUES (apes have only 2 blood types).
Brother, what century do you live?
Lucid & Ferrous,
“Brother, I’ve already told you – the Adams that had sex with MACAQUES. This is the cause that there are more haplogroups than mitochondrial ones! And the cause, brother that we have 8 (in words eight) basic blood types, as the MACAQUES (apes have only 2 blood types).
Brother, what century do you live?”
Firstly, I am not Brother Charles.
Secondly, you haven’t ever told me anything.
Thirdly, far more likely that not only was it the seed of Satan (Cain) and/or the fallen angels who mated with the monkeys, not Adam’s bloodline and that the monkeys, weren’t Macaques, but instead chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans of the Hominidae family (they also say humans belong to but that’s not true).
I have only read half the comments so far, got to read them all, but I notice Nico X says “if” again, which might be about irrelevant facts.
@ lobro
I think that perhaps you’re over estimating my competences somewhat, dear fellow. I have no expertise in genetic science. I’m just a reader too.
Your questions, if I may say, express some rather classical and widely-felt concerns about heredity.
What are the metaphysical implications of geneological research; are its methodologies valid; how precise are its systems of classification; how accurate are its time-lines? Is chronological orthodoxy in genetic science really just vicarious paleontology? There is the additional suspicion also, of how far genealogy is driven by leftist ideological imperatives and/ or intelligence agency sponsorship?
Orthodoxy in D.N.A. science has it that the chronology for the emergence of the modern human genome is demonstrated by a count of the mutational strains within non-recombinant y-chromosome alleles. Thus, the fewer the mutations within a paternal line, the more ancient the genealogy. This seems like a plausible enough conjecture on the surface but it’s scientifically unsustainable. It relies on philosophic Darwinism for its underpinning and carries inherent bias in its a priori fundamentals.
The obvious problem with the “Out of Africa” hypothesis, is the one which you mention: the improbable teleological attenuation required of such an assumption.
If the earliest haplogroup profile can be definitively identified, where did the putative Adam acquire his unique D.N.A. from? Geneticists give two answers generally. The first, is that Adam’s D.N.A. wasn’t historically novel but inherited, in the usual manner, from an extinct (and as yet unidentified) pre-Adamic progenitor race.
Hmm, geneticists are lousy philosophers, even by an armchair standard. The obvious reproach to this is, “yes but where did the pre-Adamics get their chromosomal identity from?”
The geneticists reply: early human D.N.A. derived, in part, from miscegenation with other sub-species of homo sapiens. In which case, the genesis of mankind, figuratively speaking, must have been at the precise moment that the ape became the man. Homo Mestizo. There will be people reading this post, I imagine, thinking, “so what is there to dispute? It all accords with textbook science.”
However, these assumptions are actually hugely problematic because said simply, nobody yet understands the mechanics of genetic mutation. We do not fully comprehend the biochemical processes involved in genetic deviation. Yes, analyses of multiple markers within the D.N.A. string, can accurately identify a mutation but other than telling us that non-recombinant alleles are part of the dynamic, biochemical research has little to offer.
Yet, recently, in what I intuit, may prove to be paradigm-shattering scholarship, an alternative theory of mutation has been credibly evidenced, revealing that intrachromosomal cells, not wayward alleles, control the mutative (or adaptive) capacity in y-chromosomes. I’m afraid that I can’t tell you much else about the findings because I only heard of the research myself very recently. It’s a fascinating proposition though because it is suggestive of a possible innate mutative function in human D..N.A. which would express, according to the duration of the periods of acclimatization to new environments and climates, accompanied by changes in diet. Is it, that all y-chromosomes are potentially adaptive?
The sub-saharan D.N.A. profile may have the fewer mutations but that might not necessarily mean that it were the earliest of human genomic expression. It may rather, indicate historical longevity of settlement in the homeland territories, without there ever being any dispersal of population geographically.
For my part, the four distinctive cranial types characterizing human beings, (which are cross-haplogroup,) implies four founding progenitor dynasties for mankind. Skull shape is less mutable than D.N.A.
For those of us like ourselves, Lobro, whose paternal lines (or indeed maternal lines) originate from elsewhere in Europe and especially, in cases of countries where there was a significant presence of jews historically, like Croatia or Spain, a certain anxiety that Judah may be in the shadows, is a natural and reasonable concern. Particularly, if you feel what we do about the jews.
I’m not too worried though. My dad was a Basque: he hated jews and was not averse to saying so. My sister had her autosomal D.N.A. tested a couple of years ago and our ancestral map plotted a rather interesting distribution of our lineage: westward from Troy into Rome; from Northern Spain/ Southern France to Ireland and Scotland and England. I always did like the Aeneid.
The American anthropologist, Robert Sepehr, who produces educational shorts for youtube (etc) had similar concerns to our own and he does indeed look very jewish.
To put an end to the rumours, he had his D.N.A. tested and made an interesting little video about his experience. He was absolutely delighted to find out that he was almost exactly half and half German and Persian (which must be where he gets his hooter from,) with a smidgeon of Italian. However, he admits that he was so anxious about it all, that he sent his sample in to be analysed under an assumed name.
That way, at least, your privacy is protected and if you don’t like the results, nobody need ever know but – if you do like the results, you can always repeat the process using your real name, so you can show the results off to your friends.
Watch out for the ninja tomcats.