I am not indulging these Christian Americans for whom self-pity and resentment are a form of currency. They are infantile and criminal. Gold-diggers get “compensation” if they cry enough. Yid-man is on top because he cries all day on a Holohoax basis. Spazmong whining.
Kevin Culp
on December 5, 2021 at 3:33 pm
This is NOT the Jew’s. This is the Jesuits. They control all the money :London the Military Washington. The Jews’s are Pawns in the game the same as everyone else.
antiseptic
on December 5, 2021 at 3:36 pm
@ HARRY
thanks harry for this dirty jewblog .
in decomposing goyim culture they
are always great. KNOW THE ENEMY !
they are shouting for their endgame .
antiseptic
on December 5, 2021 at 3:41 pm
@ HARRY
thanks harry for this dirty jew blog .
in decomposing goyim culture they
are always great. they are shouting
for their endgame . i suspect V Orban
is also a jew.
Nico X
on December 5, 2021 at 4:04 pm
Yeah, if you haven’t figured it out yet, you’re just witnessing a Harold Shipman injection operation on a global scale…
Nico X
on December 5, 2021 at 7:31 pm
@Kevin Culp…don’t you know..
“The first Jesuits were Jews.” –Benjamin Disraeli British-Jew PM
Anyone with any basic historical erudition knows that Christianity was formulated by Jews, who then traveled to Rome as ‘missionaries’ to corrupt & disintegrate the Roman State from within. After they sufficiently corroded it, they instituted the Roman Catholic Church/Vatican, which they manage to this day, masquerading as ‘Popes’, ‘Catholics’ & ‘Jesuits’…
Jesuits entered the picture and softened up the Vatican for the Rothschild’s emergence as the Church’s bankers.
Most sources cite the Jesuits as the means by which the Sabbatean Jews infiltrated the Vatican. The Jesuit’s founder, Ignatius Loyola, was definitely Jewish.
While I believe the Jews eventually captured the Catholic Church, my take is that Romanised Jews acted as carpet baggers against their brethren. Josephus was a turncoat, captured by the Romans, and whom I believe helped created the Jesus hoax. There were of course client rulers like Herod.
These Romanised Jews were no doubt despised by the ordinary Jews. I think it is a stretch to believe that there was a millennial long plot for Jews to subvert the Roman Empire by inventing Christianity. As I see it, Christianity was a Roman plot that some Jews eventually were able to subvert for their own financial gain, notwithstanding that the earliest scribes of Christianity – Jews – would have benefited individually. And of course Jews were tax farmers for the Romans.
The ability to control an empire with an essentially pacifist belief system would indeed see this system useful to those who would later control nations by means of the central banking racket. The injunction to pay (unfair) taxes, “rendering unto Caesar” is still a useful precept for those in a (corrupted) centralised control system.
Ray N.
on December 6, 2021 at 2:03 am
Talmudic Jews, over the years, have been in conflict with the Roman Church; but periodic conflict does not change the historical synergy between the two in their fight against their common enemy: Biblical Christianity. The synergy between the Vatican and Talmudic Jews is in part explained by the fact that the Roman Catholic Church was established early by crypto-Jews as a false “Christian” front for their Babylonian religion. Both Judaism and Catholicism are based upon Babylonian mysteries, embodied in the Cabala.
From the beginning, the Christian church was in a spiritual struggle against Judaism. Judaism could not win in a head-to-head spiritual contest against Christianity, so it was necessary for the Jews to throw their efforts behind undermining the Christian church by injecting it with the Judaic contagion. Their long-term strategy was to change the Christian church from the inside-out, to align more closely with their Judaic/Babylonian theosophy.
The Judaizing strategy resulted ultimately in the establishment of the Catholic Church. There is historical evidence for the common Babylonian lineage between Judaism and Roman Catholicism.
After the fall of Jerusalem, Cabalistic Jews migrated to Alexandria where they synthesized their Chaldean witchcraft with Neo-Platonic philosophy and cloaked that religion in Christian terminology.
The Rome of the Caesars had its Jewish advisor/moneylender cliques; and even Papal Rome had Jewish influence to the extent that certain rich Jews were able to buy their way into the Vatican and become Popes. The Medicis and the Borgias, through bribery, both had their selections on the Papal throne. St. Ignatius Loyola was a A converted@ Jew who founded the Jesuits, the secret A Society of Jesus@ , whose main function was the same as the Jewish ADL today, namely, to harass, embarrass, prosecute, and even assassinate heretics.
They then tried to introduce this new heathen gnostic philosophy into the fledgling Christian Church. The penetration of the true spiritual church of Christ was futile. What this Jewish gnosticism did accomplish was the creation of a new ersatz “Christian” church, which grew into what we know today as the Roman Catholic Church. Those facts have been largely concealed from the historical accounts of the Church of Rome.
Truthy1
on December 6, 2021 at 2:04 am
@ Nico X
“Anyone with any basic historical erudition knows that Christianity was formulated by Jews”
Wrong again !
Christianity came after Jesus, the Jews rejected this, they did not originate it.
You are a real history scholar there Nico Nimrod ( x )
@Simon Smith..actually Christianity was a Jewish plot (not Roman) since Christians existed before Josephus & Nero was executing them years before Josephus came to reside in Rome..So the plot to undermine the Empire existed long before…The theory that the Romans or Josephus ‘created Jesus/Christianity’ theory is disinfo..
@Truthy1..its already been proven from your own Bible that Jesus & his Apostles were all Jews…you’re not even able to grasp basic history…
Thank you for your input which will certainly reignite my interest in this. Suffice to say however, that your source on Nero, I believe, is derived from the historian Tacitus, who has been questioned for a couple of reasons, including possible renaissance forgeries. https://laudatortemporisacti.blogspot.com/2020/07/bold-theories-about-tacitus.html
This is something I will look into at.
“The theory that the Romans or Josephus ‘created Jesus/Christianity’ theory is disinfo..”
Can you back up that by any analysis of Atwill’s work ? Have you read “Caesar’s Messiah” ?
Nico X
on December 7, 2021 at 1:11 am
@Simon Smith…I guess you’re unaware that Suetonius also recorded Nero’s punishment of the Christians… No, I haven’t read his book, but I’m familiar with the premise. The theory that Jesus/Christianity was fabricated by Roman Emperors in collusion with Josephus is illogical, since the supposed ‘plot’ to pacify the Jews in Judea didn’t achieve what is was intended to do. In fact Christianity corrupted the Romans & dissolved their Empire instead. Thus we can only judge the purpose of something by what it actually does, not by what it purportedly was intended to do by some crank author.
From the recognition of these facts, the specious theory that Christianity/Jesus was concocted by the Romans appears to be a sensationalist money making scheme or a Jewish disinfo/misdirection tactic, to divert attention & blame from the Jews (Jesus/Peter/Paul) for creating the plague of Christianity onto the Romans (gentiles)…Its a clever form of Jewish dissimulation/sophistry, but any critical analysis of it reveals its incongruity…
Nico X
on December 7, 2021 at 1:15 am
Corrected text; first paragraph: ‘…what it was intended to do.’
lewis jones
on December 7, 2021 at 3:23 am
Douglas Reed said all the apostles were Israel while Judas Iscariot, the exception, was of Judah. The NT makes Jesus Judah too and there are the rumours of them being brothers. The Bible has Jesus trying to reunite Judah and Israel, who had split at the time of Solomon, who compared it to a baby being split in half between two women claiming to be the mother i.e. they should stay together, since the Covenant was with both of them. The priests are big drama queens.
andyay
on December 7, 2021 at 5:18 pm
I’m surprized by Simon Smith’s advocacy of Joseph Atwill’s “Caesar’s Messiah.” He’s usually more discerning.
The book is conspicuously fraudulent. Its entire thesis depends on a completely novel understanding of the literary device of parallelism, where a narrative is underscored by referencing events from other familiar narratives, to bring resonance to the newer story. In the jewish tradition this conceit is called “midrashic haggadah” but derives from Hellenic literature and has been used in both religious and secular works worldwide and is still employed by more classically-oriented authors, even to this day. “Ulysses” by James Joyce, of course, parallels Homer and T.S. Eliot’s “The Wasteland” mirrors Dante’s “Divine Comedy,” for two, not quite immediately contemporaneous examples. The New Testament authors certainly utilized the “double-entry” technique but all of their references were to Moses, Elijah, Isiah and Daniel (etc.) What would be the point of such nuancing, if the reference framework wasn’t readily familiar to its audience?
I don’t prohibit the possibility that there may yet be undiscovered allusions in the Gospels or Apostolic books but should further inflexions be found they will, with absolute certainty, not be of a genre of black comedy and of a satirical temperament and style, unknown among Greece and Rome’s many satirists.
Atwill’s superimposition of an anachronous framework for analysis, doesn’t sustain any credibility, bringing with it, twenty-first century sensibilities that are ahistorical and culturally redundant, given the epoch of the composition of the works.
It’s because Atwill’s book is structurally invalid that it leads him to many secondary errors. The author’s methodology is dismissed with barely concealed contempt, as a poverty of scholastic method, in a series of correspondences with Professor Richard Carrier of Columbia University at
Atwill’s disdain for scholarly standards are revealed by more than just his analytic constructs. Errors of fact; poor translation and largesse of “could be’s” abound. Professor Carrier concludes, with reasonable surity, that Atwill cannot read either Greek or Aramaic and is unfamiliar with Josephus or the New Testament outwith their English language renditions. Further errors proceed from the author’s brazen kidology regarding his aptitude as a reader (let alone a translator) of ancient languages. Selective evidencing and reductivist loci intrude as well.
I wouldn’t argue, personally, though some do, that because Atwill is an I.T. entrepreneur and computer sciences graduate that therefore he has no legitimacy within the field of biblical scholarship. That would be a logical fallacy. I wouldn’t wish to underrate the power of amateurs, either. When amateurs do groundbreaking work, however, it is because their competences (if not their equipments) are equal to those of the professionals in the field. If an amateur is just amateurish and his work is promoted to undeserved bestseller status, it should be reason enough to scratch your chin querilously and ask – “is this a fraud?” If it’s a fraud, is it simply a pecuniary exercise or is its primary purpose altogether different?
I confess here to not having read “Caesar’s Messiah” but I’ve watched the film documentary of the book a couple of times and I’ve read Atwill’s defence of his work and a few critiques too. I honestly don’t want to read the book. I’ve read several other Mythicists though, including both Freke and Eisenman, who appear in support of Atwill in the documentary. At one time, while it was still a fledgling genre, I enjoyed Mythicist speculations. It’s a perfectly legitimate area for study.
For those who are unaware, Mythicism is the study of biblical texts and the New Testament texts, in particular, contextualized as renditions of myth. It uses parallel analytics, spoken of earlier, and searches for commonalities of symbols and imagery. It hunts for recurring themes across texts, called “mythmemes” in the academic patois and as a discipline, it’s keen to identify mirrored chronologies or sequences of narrative, a methodology Arwill calls “typology” and, in addition to these, the work of the Mythicist scholar, is parametered by linguistics and historicity. If either of the last given two qualities are missing, the credibility of the study is necessarily diminished.
A serious flaw in Atwill’s thesis, which I noticed straight away, is that the christian canon was open until until 367 A.D. when Athanasius declared that there were sixty-six (!) doctrinal books, Old Testament and New, in the christian canon. Prior to then, there was still an abundance of quite distinctive gospels, apocalypses and wisdom texts, circulating among christians. Some of these books survive. A much loved text by early christians was “The Childhood of Christ” but that was not included as canonical.
By what sleight of realpolitik did the Flavian dynasty, which lasted until 96 A.D. ensure the inclusion of their intricately mounted satires hundreds of years later? Maybe the assassin-saint, Athanasius had use of a chronovisor?
A tenet of the christian religion until 553 A.D. when the Emperor Justinian declared it “anathema,” was Reincarnation. Despite this being a near universal belief among early Christians, Joseph Atwill doesn’t configure it into his thesis at all. Why would Rome wish to endow the Jews of a religious precept that, ultimately, serves to negate fear of death? A belief in reincarnation is much more likely to engender foolhardiness than passivity.
I’m not a biblical scholar as Joseph Atwill claims to be; yet, these basic deficits of knowledge were apparent to me, immediately.
It’s instructive to look up Joseph Atwill’s biographical details. You’ll soon find that there aren’t any. He has no wikipedia page, though his book does. We don’t know where, when or to whom he was born. The single detail we are given about his past is revealing enough of itself, or certainly it’s suggestive of itself. We are told which school he attended and of his academic accomplishments there, in Latin and Classical Greek studies. His high school was St. Mary’s Military Academy, an exclusively English-language speaking school in Japan.
St. Mary’s is run by the Society of Jesus, the Jesuit Order and its still there in Japan today.
Why were his family living in Japan? Were either one of his parents stationed there as military personnel? We don’t even know the dates during which Atwill was in attendence at the academy. We do know that, returning to the U.S. he studied computer sciences at degree level and became a successful I.T. entrepreneur.
I very much suspect that Joseph Atwill is a C.I.A. operative. The little we know of him fits the known profile of a generational spy. Parents (probably) in miltary service; educated in a spook school par excellence; information technology specialization and infotech company building – before being secondment to active duty. When an agent is assigned to a specialist project and requires a measure of credentialism to insinuate himself credibly, what often happens, is the spy is elevated to a position of seniority within an organization or a false history is concocted with documents and helped along by the intervention of assets in situ. Quite often these specialist machinations involve sudden career changes and improbable new trajectories in life.
Like the humdrum patent’s clerk who fails the entrance exam to polytechnic but becomes the greatest genius of physical science that the world has ever known. That kind of thing. Or how about, a software developer, who becomes a revolutionary biblical exegete, selling his books worldwide? If the latter were to be pulled off successfully, the agent would need a public kudos quotient first. Let’s see, how about Joseph Atwill, without any training as a philologist or as a linguist or as a historian, without training in semiotics or archaelogy, will go to work for Dr. Robert Eisenman, a properly credentialled academic and popular author in the oeuvre of mythicity. Atwill will become the co-author of Eisenman’s next book, which Eisenman, being a C.I.A. asset himself (as is Timothy Freke,) will write on his own, without any input at all from Atwill. Credentialism.
That’s what happened in actuality, by the way, Atwill sprung from nowhere to being an accredited as a translator of portions of the Dead Sea Scrolls (along with his illustrious co-author, Robert Eisenman, of course.) It’s risible really but it’s an often repeated pattern of behaviours, when spooks are detailed to the field. Joseph Atwill isn’t up to the superspook calibre of Zecharia Sitchen yet but given the chance…The parallels between the two freemasonic interlocuters would provide for a volume’s worth of typography and mythmeme exploration in itself.
The motives behind “Caesar’s Messiah” should be obvious; the relegation of Christ to myth and the derogation of his message in people’s hearts; the usual jewish dispensational pastures; dispiriting and disassociative, derisory and devolutionary.
Atwill has written another book called “Shakespeare’s Secret Messiah” in which he deploys his methodological prowess to solve the question of the authorship of Shakespeare’s works. His conclusion? William Shakespeare was actually Mrs. Emilia Bassano Lanier. a moorish jewess, whose father emigrated from Venice to join the Tudor Court as a musician. She was brought up and educated in the Royal Household and married an English lord, so becoming cousin to Queen Elizabeth I, in Atwill’s accounting. Phew! Can you run that one by me again? A little black girl, of Moroccan descent, from Venice, blossoms into English royalty and then authors the complete works of Shakespeare? A daring conjecture, without doubt but an utterly bloody stupid one. Apparently, Ms. Lanier secretly referred to herself in a few sonnets as the Dark Lady. I kid you not. I won’t be reading that one either.
Spooks are everywhere. They’re watching through telescopes, from across the road and taking high-resolution photographs of you while you’re dancing in your underwear. They’ve bugged your sock drawer and swapped your granny for a clone and, in fact, she looks healthier now than she was before her death in 1987.
I think my next door neighbour might be a spy. He’s from South Africa and keeps ferrets as pets, which, on both counts, is pretty persuasive evidence of an individual’s proclivity for espionage, wouldn’t you agree?
Truthy1
on December 8, 2021 at 2:04 am
@ Nico x ( the nimrod )
“its already been proven from your own Bible that Jesus & his Apostles were all Jews”
Wrong again !
Jesus was a Hebrew and so were the Apostles. The tribe of Judah. Not Jew, duh ! The “Jews” were the returnees from Babylon, that again, went after false gods like YHWH, that was inserted into the Bible by the Pharisees/Scribes. The Hebrews kept separate from the Jews and their Talmudic beliefs. Then the Jews, pulling the same old tricks and deceptions, and those Hebrews from the tribe of Judah were lumped together, after Jesus was murdered, to form the Babylonian inspired” Christian “state” religion.
Back at ya … “you’re not even able to grasp basic history…”
jews pushing homosexuality on to our kids
https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/hungarian-jews-protest-law-seeking-to-insulate-minors-from-information-on-homosexuality
I am not indulging these Christian Americans for whom self-pity and resentment are a form of currency. They are infantile and criminal. Gold-diggers get “compensation” if they cry enough. Yid-man is on top because he cries all day on a Holohoax basis. Spazmong whining.
This is NOT the Jew’s. This is the Jesuits. They control all the money :London the Military Washington. The Jews’s are Pawns in the game the same as everyone else.
@ HARRY
thanks harry for this dirty jewblog .
in decomposing goyim culture they
are always great. KNOW THE ENEMY !
they are shouting for their endgame .
@ HARRY
thanks harry for this dirty jew blog .
in decomposing goyim culture they
are always great. they are shouting
for their endgame . i suspect V Orban
is also a jew.
Yeah, if you haven’t figured it out yet, you’re just witnessing a Harold Shipman injection operation on a global scale…
@Kevin Culp…don’t you know..
“The first Jesuits were Jews.” –Benjamin Disraeli British-Jew PM
Anyone with any basic historical erudition knows that Christianity was formulated by Jews, who then traveled to Rome as ‘missionaries’ to corrupt & disintegrate the Roman State from within. After they sufficiently corroded it, they instituted the Roman Catholic Church/Vatican, which they manage to this day, masquerading as ‘Popes’, ‘Catholics’ & ‘Jesuits’…
You might want to better educate yourself..
@ Kevin Culp Just one thing ??
See all those intellectual giants ??
https://benjaminfulford.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/nephilim-rothschild.jpeg
@ Kevin Culp —
Jesuits entered the picture and softened up the Vatican for the Rothschild’s emergence as the Church’s bankers.
Most sources cite the Jesuits as the means by which the Sabbatean Jews infiltrated the Vatican. The Jesuit’s founder, Ignatius Loyola, was definitely Jewish.
@Nicox
While I believe the Jews eventually captured the Catholic Church, my take is that Romanised Jews acted as carpet baggers against their brethren. Josephus was a turncoat, captured by the Romans, and whom I believe helped created the Jesus hoax. There were of course client rulers like Herod.
These Romanised Jews were no doubt despised by the ordinary Jews. I think it is a stretch to believe that there was a millennial long plot for Jews to subvert the Roman Empire by inventing Christianity. As I see it, Christianity was a Roman plot that some Jews eventually were able to subvert for their own financial gain, notwithstanding that the earliest scribes of Christianity – Jews – would have benefited individually. And of course Jews were tax farmers for the Romans.
…and in addition to my last comment…
The ability to control an empire with an essentially pacifist belief system would indeed see this system useful to those who would later control nations by means of the central banking racket. The injunction to pay (unfair) taxes, “rendering unto Caesar” is still a useful precept for those in a (corrupted) centralised control system.
Talmudic Jews, over the years, have been in conflict with the Roman Church; but periodic conflict does not change the historical synergy between the two in their fight against their common enemy: Biblical Christianity. The synergy between the Vatican and Talmudic Jews is in part explained by the fact that the Roman Catholic Church was established early by crypto-Jews as a false “Christian” front for their Babylonian religion. Both Judaism and Catholicism are based upon Babylonian mysteries, embodied in the Cabala.
From the beginning, the Christian church was in a spiritual struggle against Judaism. Judaism could not win in a head-to-head spiritual contest against Christianity, so it was necessary for the Jews to throw their efforts behind undermining the Christian church by injecting it with the Judaic contagion. Their long-term strategy was to change the Christian church from the inside-out, to align more closely with their Judaic/Babylonian theosophy.
The Judaizing strategy resulted ultimately in the establishment of the Catholic Church. There is historical evidence for the common Babylonian lineage between Judaism and Roman Catholicism.
After the fall of Jerusalem, Cabalistic Jews migrated to Alexandria where they synthesized their Chaldean witchcraft with Neo-Platonic philosophy and cloaked that religion in Christian terminology.
The Rome of the Caesars had its Jewish advisor/moneylender cliques; and even Papal Rome had Jewish influence to the extent that certain rich Jews were able to buy their way into the Vatican and become Popes. The Medicis and the Borgias, through bribery, both had their selections on the Papal throne. St. Ignatius Loyola was a A converted@ Jew who founded the Jesuits, the secret A Society of Jesus@ , whose main function was the same as the Jewish ADL today, namely, to harass, embarrass, prosecute, and even assassinate heretics.
They then tried to introduce this new heathen gnostic philosophy into the fledgling Christian Church. The penetration of the true spiritual church of Christ was futile. What this Jewish gnosticism did accomplish was the creation of a new ersatz “Christian” church, which grew into what we know today as the Roman Catholic Church. Those facts have been largely concealed from the historical accounts of the Church of Rome.
@ Nico X
“Anyone with any basic historical erudition knows that Christianity was formulated by Jews”
Wrong again !
Christianity came after Jesus, the Jews rejected this, they did not originate it.
You are a real history scholar there Nico Nimrod ( x )
Jesus was not a Jew
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm
@Simon Smith..actually Christianity was a Jewish plot (not Roman) since Christians existed before Josephus & Nero was executing them years before Josephus came to reside in Rome..So the plot to undermine the Empire existed long before…The theory that the Romans or Josephus ‘created Jesus/Christianity’ theory is disinfo..
@Truthy1..its already been proven from your own Bible that Jesus & his Apostles were all Jews…you’re not even able to grasp basic history…
@Nico X
Thank you for your input which will certainly reignite my interest in this. Suffice to say however, that your source on Nero, I believe, is derived from the historian Tacitus, who has been questioned for a couple of reasons, including possible renaissance forgeries.
https://laudatortemporisacti.blogspot.com/2020/07/bold-theories-about-tacitus.html
This is something I will look into at.
“The theory that the Romans or Josephus ‘created Jesus/Christianity’ theory is disinfo..”
Can you back up that by any analysis of Atwill’s work ? Have you read “Caesar’s Messiah” ?
@Simon Smith…I guess you’re unaware that Suetonius also recorded Nero’s punishment of the Christians… No, I haven’t read his book, but I’m familiar with the premise. The theory that Jesus/Christianity was fabricated by Roman Emperors in collusion with Josephus is illogical, since the supposed ‘plot’ to pacify the Jews in Judea didn’t achieve what is was intended to do. In fact Christianity corrupted the Romans & dissolved their Empire instead. Thus we can only judge the purpose of something by what it actually does, not by what it purportedly was intended to do by some crank author.
From the recognition of these facts, the specious theory that Christianity/Jesus was concocted by the Romans appears to be a sensationalist money making scheme or a Jewish disinfo/misdirection tactic, to divert attention & blame from the Jews (Jesus/Peter/Paul) for creating the plague of Christianity onto the Romans (gentiles)…Its a clever form of Jewish dissimulation/sophistry, but any critical analysis of it reveals its incongruity…
Corrected text; first paragraph: ‘…what it was intended to do.’
Douglas Reed said all the apostles were Israel while Judas Iscariot, the exception, was of Judah. The NT makes Jesus Judah too and there are the rumours of them being brothers. The Bible has Jesus trying to reunite Judah and Israel, who had split at the time of Solomon, who compared it to a baby being split in half between two women claiming to be the mother i.e. they should stay together, since the Covenant was with both of them. The priests are big drama queens.
I’m surprized by Simon Smith’s advocacy of Joseph Atwill’s “Caesar’s Messiah.” He’s usually more discerning.
The book is conspicuously fraudulent. Its entire thesis depends on a completely novel understanding of the literary device of parallelism, where a narrative is underscored by referencing events from other familiar narratives, to bring resonance to the newer story. In the jewish tradition this conceit is called “midrashic haggadah” but derives from Hellenic literature and has been used in both religious and secular works worldwide and is still employed by more classically-oriented authors, even to this day. “Ulysses” by James Joyce, of course, parallels Homer and T.S. Eliot’s “The Wasteland” mirrors Dante’s “Divine Comedy,” for two, not quite immediately contemporaneous examples. The New Testament authors certainly utilized the “double-entry” technique but all of their references were to Moses, Elijah, Isiah and Daniel (etc.) What would be the point of such nuancing, if the reference framework wasn’t readily familiar to its audience?
I don’t prohibit the possibility that there may yet be undiscovered allusions in the Gospels or Apostolic books but should further inflexions be found they will, with absolute certainty, not be of a genre of black comedy and of a satirical temperament and style, unknown among Greece and Rome’s many satirists.
Atwill’s superimposition of an anachronous framework for analysis, doesn’t sustain any credibility, bringing with it, twenty-first century sensibilities that are ahistorical and culturally redundant, given the epoch of the composition of the works.
It’s because Atwill’s book is structurally invalid that it leads him to many secondary errors. The author’s methodology is dismissed with barely concealed contempt, as a poverty of scholastic method, in a series of correspondences with Professor Richard Carrier of Columbia University at
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/4664
Atwill’s disdain for scholarly standards are revealed by more than just his analytic constructs. Errors of fact; poor translation and largesse of “could be’s” abound. Professor Carrier concludes, with reasonable surity, that Atwill cannot read either Greek or Aramaic and is unfamiliar with Josephus or the New Testament outwith their English language renditions. Further errors proceed from the author’s brazen kidology regarding his aptitude as a reader (let alone a translator) of ancient languages. Selective evidencing and reductivist loci intrude as well.
I wouldn’t argue, personally, though some do, that because Atwill is an I.T. entrepreneur and computer sciences graduate that therefore he has no legitimacy within the field of biblical scholarship. That would be a logical fallacy. I wouldn’t wish to underrate the power of amateurs, either. When amateurs do groundbreaking work, however, it is because their competences (if not their equipments) are equal to those of the professionals in the field. If an amateur is just amateurish and his work is promoted to undeserved bestseller status, it should be reason enough to scratch your chin querilously and ask – “is this a fraud?” If it’s a fraud, is it simply a pecuniary exercise or is its primary purpose altogether different?
I confess here to not having read “Caesar’s Messiah” but I’ve watched the film documentary of the book a couple of times and I’ve read Atwill’s defence of his work and a few critiques too. I honestly don’t want to read the book. I’ve read several other Mythicists though, including both Freke and Eisenman, who appear in support of Atwill in the documentary. At one time, while it was still a fledgling genre, I enjoyed Mythicist speculations. It’s a perfectly legitimate area for study.
For those who are unaware, Mythicism is the study of biblical texts and the New Testament texts, in particular, contextualized as renditions of myth. It uses parallel analytics, spoken of earlier, and searches for commonalities of symbols and imagery. It hunts for recurring themes across texts, called “mythmemes” in the academic patois and as a discipline, it’s keen to identify mirrored chronologies or sequences of narrative, a methodology Arwill calls “typology” and, in addition to these, the work of the Mythicist scholar, is parametered by linguistics and historicity. If either of the last given two qualities are missing, the credibility of the study is necessarily diminished.
A serious flaw in Atwill’s thesis, which I noticed straight away, is that the christian canon was open until until 367 A.D. when Athanasius declared that there were sixty-six (!) doctrinal books, Old Testament and New, in the christian canon. Prior to then, there was still an abundance of quite distinctive gospels, apocalypses and wisdom texts, circulating among christians. Some of these books survive. A much loved text by early christians was “The Childhood of Christ” but that was not included as canonical.
By what sleight of realpolitik did the Flavian dynasty, which lasted until 96 A.D. ensure the inclusion of their intricately mounted satires hundreds of years later? Maybe the assassin-saint, Athanasius had use of a chronovisor?
A tenet of the christian religion until 553 A.D. when the Emperor Justinian declared it “anathema,” was Reincarnation. Despite this being a near universal belief among early Christians, Joseph Atwill doesn’t configure it into his thesis at all. Why would Rome wish to endow the Jews of a religious precept that, ultimately, serves to negate fear of death? A belief in reincarnation is much more likely to engender foolhardiness than passivity.
I’m not a biblical scholar as Joseph Atwill claims to be; yet, these basic deficits of knowledge were apparent to me, immediately.
It’s instructive to look up Joseph Atwill’s biographical details. You’ll soon find that there aren’t any. He has no wikipedia page, though his book does. We don’t know where, when or to whom he was born. The single detail we are given about his past is revealing enough of itself, or certainly it’s suggestive of itself. We are told which school he attended and of his academic accomplishments there, in Latin and Classical Greek studies. His high school was St. Mary’s Military Academy, an exclusively English-language speaking school in Japan.
St. Mary’s is run by the Society of Jesus, the Jesuit Order and its still there in Japan today.
Why were his family living in Japan? Were either one of his parents stationed there as military personnel? We don’t even know the dates during which Atwill was in attendence at the academy. We do know that, returning to the U.S. he studied computer sciences at degree level and became a successful I.T. entrepreneur.
I very much suspect that Joseph Atwill is a C.I.A. operative. The little we know of him fits the known profile of a generational spy. Parents (probably) in miltary service; educated in a spook school par excellence; information technology specialization and infotech company building – before being secondment to active duty. When an agent is assigned to a specialist project and requires a measure of credentialism to insinuate himself credibly, what often happens, is the spy is elevated to a position of seniority within an organization or a false history is concocted with documents and helped along by the intervention of assets in situ. Quite often these specialist machinations involve sudden career changes and improbable new trajectories in life.
Like the humdrum patent’s clerk who fails the entrance exam to polytechnic but becomes the greatest genius of physical science that the world has ever known. That kind of thing. Or how about, a software developer, who becomes a revolutionary biblical exegete, selling his books worldwide? If the latter were to be pulled off successfully, the agent would need a public kudos quotient first. Let’s see, how about Joseph Atwill, without any training as a philologist or as a linguist or as a historian, without training in semiotics or archaelogy, will go to work for Dr. Robert Eisenman, a properly credentialled academic and popular author in the oeuvre of mythicity. Atwill will become the co-author of Eisenman’s next book, which Eisenman, being a C.I.A. asset himself (as is Timothy Freke,) will write on his own, without any input at all from Atwill. Credentialism.
That’s what happened in actuality, by the way, Atwill sprung from nowhere to being an accredited as a translator of portions of the Dead Sea Scrolls (along with his illustrious co-author, Robert Eisenman, of course.) It’s risible really but it’s an often repeated pattern of behaviours, when spooks are detailed to the field. Joseph Atwill isn’t up to the superspook calibre of Zecharia Sitchen yet but given the chance…The parallels between the two freemasonic interlocuters would provide for a volume’s worth of typography and mythmeme exploration in itself.
The motives behind “Caesar’s Messiah” should be obvious; the relegation of Christ to myth and the derogation of his message in people’s hearts; the usual jewish dispensational pastures; dispiriting and disassociative, derisory and devolutionary.
Atwill has written another book called “Shakespeare’s Secret Messiah” in which he deploys his methodological prowess to solve the question of the authorship of Shakespeare’s works. His conclusion? William Shakespeare was actually Mrs. Emilia Bassano Lanier. a moorish jewess, whose father emigrated from Venice to join the Tudor Court as a musician. She was brought up and educated in the Royal Household and married an English lord, so becoming cousin to Queen Elizabeth I, in Atwill’s accounting. Phew! Can you run that one by me again? A little black girl, of Moroccan descent, from Venice, blossoms into English royalty and then authors the complete works of Shakespeare? A daring conjecture, without doubt but an utterly bloody stupid one. Apparently, Ms. Lanier secretly referred to herself in a few sonnets as the Dark Lady. I kid you not. I won’t be reading that one either.
Spooks are everywhere. They’re watching through telescopes, from across the road and taking high-resolution photographs of you while you’re dancing in your underwear. They’ve bugged your sock drawer and swapped your granny for a clone and, in fact, she looks healthier now than she was before her death in 1987.
I think my next door neighbour might be a spy. He’s from South Africa and keeps ferrets as pets, which, on both counts, is pretty persuasive evidence of an individual’s proclivity for espionage, wouldn’t you agree?
@ Nico x ( the nimrod )
“its already been proven from your own Bible that Jesus & his Apostles were all Jews”
Wrong again !
Jesus was a Hebrew and so were the Apostles. The tribe of Judah. Not Jew, duh ! The “Jews” were the returnees from Babylon, that again, went after false gods like YHWH, that was inserted into the Bible by the Pharisees/Scribes. The Hebrews kept separate from the Jews and their Talmudic beliefs. Then the Jews, pulling the same old tricks and deceptions, and those Hebrews from the tribe of Judah were lumped together, after Jesus was murdered, to form the Babylonian inspired” Christian “state” religion.
Back at ya … “you’re not even able to grasp basic history…”