White Elephant is one of the good posters at TTS, but one of his errors, as I see it, is Flat Earth belief, and I am willing to get into a discussion even though it feels tragic. People who think the moon might not be real or certainly not orbiting the Earth necessarily cannot believe in the Apollo missions. I did not, for more than fifteen years, but during that time I still believed in a lot of human activity in Space, and a lot more ET activity. Today I do not say ours is always benign and some Jewish Nazis like Teller would be involved. People have written books about the Crowleyites in the Space programme. Jack Parsons is an example. For them, the moon is magic, for others it is a place to abuse people and get away with it. A psychic saw enslavement there. Space exploration loses its allure when you see that we take evil into the new habitation. In 1986 I wished we would stop it. We are not mature enough.
Anyone who believes they walked on the moon is an idiot or a shill. Knowledge that the landings were faked is one of a number of litmus tests to discern whether those presenting a certain view point on other “conspiracy type” matters can be trusted. When those promoting alien visitation for example claim that Armstrong and Aldrin saw ET spaceships, it is strange that they can accept this uncorroborated testimony while rejecting a ton of evidence that shows the landings were done in a studio.
(I must admit I’m a keen watcher of “Ancient Aliens” type stuff for the disinformation angle. And lately I’ve had a few laughs at how EVERY unexplained event in human history is attributed to “aliens”. One suggestion was that Noah actually built a spaceship. Solid gold unintentional humour. And the joke always begins : “ancient alien theorists say…” Once you get past the crock for what it is, it’s worth watching.)
Every one of those Aulis papers blows MoonScam out of the water. Together, they form scientific proof that is utterly convincing.
White Elephant
on June 18, 2021 at 11:55 am
There was no moon landing. Stanley Kubrick stated in an interview that he was responsible for the filming, not forgetting that he left clues, in ‘The Shining’ movie too.
When the sun shoots rays of light through broken cloud why are not the rays running parallel?
I mean, if the rays were triangulated the sun would appear to be much closer than 93 million miles away?
Perhaps TTS can find and post a photo to encourage a little dialogue?
MM
on June 18, 2021 at 2:40 pm
Flat-earthers don’t care what anybody thinks, because they know even if we were no longer here tomorrow the sun will still go round the earth.
White Elephant
on June 18, 2021 at 3:06 pm
Lewis Jones,
I find it truly sad, that as a respected poster, you would believe it tragic, getting into a discussion on whether the earth is a globe or flat.
Why do I say this?
Logic. Pure and simple logic. And what follows is not ‘Flat Earth explanations’ as you can read them on the internet, but instead the reasons as to WHY they would create the heliocentric model.
It was the heliocentric model, that really took off in the 16th century with Copernicus and it was a belief, nothing more, with absolutely no proof, whatsoever. Out of the top of his head he came up with the earth spun around the sun, not the other way around. That was the basis of his belief.
But what’s interesting about this belief is, Copernicus was a cleric (very probably a freemason who infiltrated the church) and a believer in God. However, the heliocentric model, by default, today, opposes the belief in a God and goes down the road of Darwinism and the Big Bang theory.
This is nonsense!
The fact that the earth, is this ball, spinning around the sun, at just the correct orbit. If we were any closer, the sun would fry us all, in the heliocentric model.
What made me start looking into geocentricism was what was going on in the world but more importantly, how tptb constantly created bogeymen for the public to fear. What happens when they all run out? What happens when they’ve got rid of the Germans, the Russians, the Chinese, the Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians, Palestinians, the white nationalists etc etc?
By creating the belief that we are a planet (plane with a ‘t’ added on the end), hurtling through a galaxy, one of many, within a universe, of unthinkable size, it holds open the infinite possibility of enemies, just waiting to invade earth. And with this, space programs need to be made. More cash has to be taken from the public to pay for it. We need to all unite on this earth to fight the new threat. This means a world government….and so on, you get the picture.
But Lewis, this is important, all that you and everyone who believes in heliocentrism, itself a theory (a false one at that), fail to see is ALL that you know has been fed to you by tptb.
You have been continuallty indoctrinated all your life. From a young age, you have been shown maps of the solar system in the class room, that cannot be questioned but taken as truth. Constant movies made about space, aliens, invasions. Then there are TV series, Radio shows, comics….the list is endless of this heavy programming of society. Orson Welles read HG Wells’ ‘War of the Worlds’ that ended up terrifying rural America as they all believed that aliens had landed on earth. And the programming continued up to the Stanley Kubrick film of the moon landing.
There isn’t one image of the earth, from space, that hasn’t been created on photoshop. All moving images of the earth are CGI. All ‘space walks’ are filmed in an underwater tank. The people talking from a space station, are on earth, hooked into harnesses, to make them spin, all with CGI trickery to fool people, into thinking they’re in space. The Mars mission was filmed on a Desert (see the movie Capricorn One).
Lewis, we’re told they went to the moon, but they’ve only managed to dig 12km into the earth? And how on earth can they predict where the centre of the earth and what it is, which happens to be just under 6,300km away? How, on earth can you measure the distance between two points, when not only have you never traveled to the destination, but there isn’t a marker placed at the destination?
We’re led to believe that the earth has a molten core. How do they know? Again, 6,300km away and they’ve only dug 12. Ah, I know, volcanoes! So we get lava from the earth…but wait, we also get oil, which, for those who don’t know and like to believe in the lies, isn’t the result of the decomposition of rainforests and dinosaurs. ROTFLMFAO!!
Lewis, I’m going to bring this to a close, because it’s just absurd. They’re laughing their tits off at us. They created this fiction, passed it off as fact and have indoctrinated people, over centuries, through trickery. And they’re doing it with covid and will do it with a future space invasion, copyright of NASA.
The bottom line Lewis, you (and others) believe in the universe, galaxies, spinning planets, gravity, heliocentrism, because you’ve been told to all your life. And you do so because of the countless movies, radio/tv shows, articles written about it, so much so that you now, simply cannot even contemplate that there isn’t anything but a heliocentric model. You, like billions, are exactly on the same page with heliocentrism, as all those billions who believe in that jews are the Hebrews, there was a holocaust, they put a man on the moon, 9/11 was done by Muslim terrorists, 7/7 the same, all the other false flags, man made global warming, overpopulation and of course the covid nonsense. You cannot, possibly, conceive that the earth is flat, because you are trapped within the same programming that has sent millions to take the ‘stabvenom’ and bring about their own, early demise.
You know tptb plan centuries, ahead, however, the whole concept of heliocentrism/space goes as far back as 3BC. How on earth could someone even contemplate this with what they had back then? It’s just madness!
Again, Lewis, all you know about space is what you’ve been told. And you believe it.
I don’t want to get into a long debate on this because I know, that you know, regardless what I tell you, you’re not going to believe otherwise to the heliocentric model. I’m not going to try to change your opinion, as that’s what you believe, but on a final note, all I’d ask is to simply think about what I’ve said, more importantly about the concept of limitless enemies, from millions of galaxies away? How better to instill constant fear and thus control (give up liberty for security) than to say we’re all about to be invaded by the Golgafrinchians, from the planet Zog, in the galaxy of B4Z-61? And more so, in order that we combat this deadly threat, we need a world government and for everyone to give up their freedoms, in order to protect the human race?
This is what it’s all about Lewis – control.
I respect you as a commenter Lewis. I agree on much of what you have to write as you know, but I’m saddened by the fact that you can’t see how you’re being so hopelessly controlled by the Heliocentric model and that its belief cannot only not be questioned but is how it is. And to think otherwise is tragic. Do you not see, Lewis, that’s exactly what they say to people who question the holocaust, naming them ‘insane’ and every other lie that they’ve promoted as truth. Think on that for a while?
Robert
on June 18, 2021 at 5:03 pm
@ White Elephant
It’s Flat!
jay
on June 18, 2021 at 5:06 pm
Explain…Why on a clear afternoon, I can see the partial moon and also the complete ball of the sun.
White Elephant
on June 18, 2021 at 5:16 pm
To all,
Apologies for the moon landing videos with Stanley Kubrick. They’re hoaxes and not Kubrick, but an actor called Tom.
Regardless, the moon landing was fake for many reasons. And the reasons are on the internet, easy to find.
Again, apologies. But why was this made? Could it be that Kubrick wanted this done, but wouldn’t do it himself, not only because he didn’t do interviews, but also because he didn’t want any fall back on his family and loved ones? Could this be a whistle blow attempt, without the whistle blower?
Roger Thesaurus
on June 18, 2021 at 6:05 pm
“Fruit Loop”…..Look White Elephant is a brick short of a load or not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.
You simply dont debate with these weirdos AND they do a lot of damage to people who mention REAL conspiracies….which may be the objective.
WHETHER OR NOT THE EARF IS FLAT IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
“Those Mars rover photos recently were shot in a studio ITS A CONSPIRACY!”….
BOLLOCKS and silly nonsense….
Their are hundreds more earthly conspiracies that deserve attention,like the fact governments do not arrest the likes of the Facebook Freak or Elon Musk for GROSS TAX EVASION….OR the worlds greatest entrepreneur Sir Richard Brandstein…
OR The Jewish Conspiracy….as outlined in the Protocols of Zyklon….it is THE central conspiracy of all time…
Vito X
on June 18, 2021 at 6:31 pm
It doesn’t really matter whether the Jewish Overlords sent some Christian-Freemasonic freaks to the moon or not… If the Nazis won WWII the white gentile race would be living on the Moon/Mars now instead of being perpetually stuck on the Planet of the Apes..
jay
on June 18, 2021 at 7:28 pm
Roger Thesaurus…FE Earth has so many ramifications. It points to a global conspiracy, a de facto one world government, a conspiracy to hide the ace of God…That We are not here by accident. Oh and Nukes are fake…Nuclear is just used to frighten and control that and steal money. There are no enemies, all wars are fake…Need I go on…
lewis jones
on June 18, 2021 at 8:22 pm
About FE– there is a 1950s sci-fi book about a future where it is illegal to believe in Space, stars, the sun and planets, and violence has been stamped out, and paedos run the world using mind-controlled sex-slaves. (The Demolished Man). NASA is not spreading globe Earth belief but the opposite. Math Powerland, Eric Dubay, Jeranism, Wayki wayki, Orphan Red,the tall one, are all nuts and Mark Sargent looks like a paid agent (as do some of the others). No-one in FE ever made a good point, not one. Ranty Flat Earth made a U-turn after five years due to a photo of Blackpool with mountains behind. The internet de-bunkers have political ignorance but they get the maths right. I go to them if Big Bear does his FE. He thinks he must be right because of his IQ. Twenty years ago I read big books agaist Apollo, but the authors are sinister. Commies do not like a Nazi achievement. I recently became willing to believe in it.
There are people worthy of debate and those not. You are of the latter.
As I said in my comment on the above thread (in brackets):
“This comment proves the huge difference between you and I when it comes to critical thinking. You’re devoid of it. You cannot see the importance of how much you’ve been lied to, not just on the flat earth or the moon landing, but also 9/11, the Holocaust, the USS Liberty, Sandy Hook, Waco, Charlie Hebdo, Manchester…the list goes on and on, with the latest being Covid.
If the can lie about one thing and get away with it, they’ll continue lying.”
You are that stupid (and yes, you really are) that you are completely incapable of understanding just how important it is, to fool the public into believing in a universe, spinning globes, hurtling through space at zillions of miles an hour and that we, as a people, because of it, are insignificant specks of sand, on a vast beach, itself a speck of sand on another vast beach, itself a speck of sa…….. This promotes the theory that we are not unique beings, but instead nothing more than rubbish to be used and abused by those who believe themselves to be above all. The heliocentric model creates the hive mind and global prison.
The geocentric model is the epitome of godliness and the goodness he created, for us all to be free within. And it’s why Wikipedia, on every channel that speaks of the Flat Earth has a caption underneath warning viewers of ‘archaic belief’. Go figure moron.
If you manage to pull yourself out of Plato’s cave, then you’ll begin to understand what’s going on. Until that time I look at your journey in the form of a very, long, ladder. I’ve climbed the ladder, up to the top and already miles ahead on the plane of knowledge. You, haven’t even found where the ladder is yet.
Now go away and free your mind from the prison you’ve built around it, fool.
Rob
on June 18, 2021 at 8:43 pm
It’s about trusting your senses and tptb gaslight us constantly. Irrespective of any analysis of the facts which prove ‘covid’ isn’t the plague, nobody is seeing any extra deaths around them, or ambulances constantly up and down the street (that of course may change soon due to the ‘vaccines’), so there is no pandemic. My senses tell me that I’m on a flat motionless plane and when I look up at the Sun and see divergent rays, my senses tell me it’s local and not 93 million miles away.
grimsson
on June 18, 2021 at 9:33 pm
Only a complete moronic halfwit could believe that the Earth is flat because if the Earth is flat then NOTHING exists not even the Earth. We would merely be a computer programme. The Mayans and Egyptians before them KNEW the Earth is round; even the ancient Greek mathamatician Eretosthenes, some 2000+ years ago, computed the size of the Earth too within a few hundred meters of present measurements. The flat earth movement was set up a few years ago just to open free thinkers to ridicule because, as I have said, only a complete IDIOT would even think the Earth is flat. Other Suns, other Planets, other “People” ARE real and DO exist which, of course, they wouldn’t if the earth is flat.
Whether the americans got to the moon is debatable even “Buzz” Aldrin in a recent interview, with a young girl, seems to have admitted they didn’t go but then again he also chinned the obnoxious prick in the video above.
DICARLO
on June 18, 2021 at 9:53 pm
Without reading the comments or watching the videos:
THEY PUNTED!
White Elephant
on June 18, 2021 at 10:47 pm
Lewis Jones,
Eric Dubay is not bonkers in the least, but the Flat Earth Society is a psy op, there’s no doubt about that.
We’re going to have to disagree on this. I respect, but disagree with your views, which you’re completely entitled to have. You are civil in debate. I appreciate that.
Zack Van Basten
on June 18, 2021 at 11:30 pm
Those on these boards who claim the earth is flat are displaying either their ignorant lunacy, or are paid shills besmirching those seeking Truth by brushing them off as wing-nuts and wack jobs.
My particular beef is with the ignorant posts of White Elephant, most likely a Soros-funded lackey, mocking us all.
The fact that the earth is spherical was elucidated and the calculated with extraordinary precision by the ancient Greeks. Eratosthenes was among the first, but likely he was simply innovating well known knowledge and principles, not unlike Euclid. The earth’s sphericity and movements can easily be measured, as well as those of other stars and planets with a simple telescope. It’s the absolute height of ignorance to suggest that the heliocentric model is wrong, and the earth is flat.
Shame on any of the ignorant Soros-funded antifa thugs around here pushing these mockeries. Ya, I’m talking to you White Elephant.
Zack Van Basten
on June 18, 2021 at 11:33 pm
For anyone interested in reading about the fake moon landings, I highly recommend David McGowan fantastic series of articles on the topic. As far as I have researched the topic, it’s the best and most comprehensive elucidation of the hoax out there:
Everything that you believe in space, planets, aliens on other planets, in other galaxies, comes all the way from authors of books, most certainly freemasons. As stated there isn’t one picture of the earth from outside. All of them were created on photoshop.
Neil degrasse Tyson, the NASA knob, believes the world is now an ‘oblate spheroid’. That shape is if you take a globe and press it downwards, like a slightly squashed orange. Where are the pictures to prove this? Again, pictures of the earth created by photoshop and moving images are CGI.
Do you not realize just how manipulated you’ve been, by tptb?
Do you know that a map was found, in a Buddhist monastery, dating back to the 10AD that showed a picture of the flat earth, the ice wall and outside it, another 32 continents the smallest being the size of North America? Do you know that they believe Saturn, Mars, Jupiter etc are all merely other suns and moons that rotate on the flat earth? And they are NOT the size we are told they are, but much, much, much smaller?
But lastly and something I’d like you to think about. I believe strongly in my senses. Do you know that we are told that the earth is spinning at 1,000 miles an hour? It means every second the earth is rotating at around 430 metres?
Think about that for a moment would you please?
It means that if you jump, the ground beneath you will have moved 430 metres.
It would also mean that if you took off on a plane to travel to France, which travels half the speed the earth rotates, you wouldn’t arrive at France, it would arrive at you.
I know, when something is moving beneath my feet, but we’re miraculously told that we don’t notice it BECAUSE OF GRAVITY that’s holding all of us down on this earth and nullifying all feeling of movement.
Are you able to understand this? WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON A SURFACE THAT’S ROTATING AT 1,000 miles per hour for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if you think I’m talking BS, then get a circular saw and put a bean on the disc. Turn it on. What happens to the bean?
A circular saw spins at 3-50,000 RPM’s. That’s 130-170 feet per second. That’s 39-51.8 metres a second. Again, the earth is spinning at around 430 meters a second.
How on earth are we not all spinning off into the air, if the earth beneath us is spinning 8-11 times faster than a circular saw?
The holocaust was ripped to shreds by simple maths, that is, on average it would take 18 years to cremate 1 million bodies, 24/7 in 15 crematoria AT LEAST!!!! And the BS that we live on a spinning earth also defies reality, simply by the points I’ve just made, that is, the ground beneath our feet is traveling 11 times faster than a circular saw and we have no notion of movement, on the earth, but if we get on children’s roundabout, in a play ground and someone gives it a push, we’ll come flying off if we don’t hold on. And that, probably spins at around 120RPM’s!!!!!!!
And yet you have the audacity to call me a moron, when you think that not only can you stand, perfectly still, on a surface that’s rotating at 430 metres a second, but that because of the magic of gravity, it removes all sense of movement from your brain?
Look, this isn’t just to you BUT TO EVERYONE.
Think for crying out loud!
You’re being completely indoctrinated by tptb, who have made you believe that you live on a spinning ball, hurtling through space. You have never been outside the earth and believe everything that they’re telling you.
Geez…do you not realize that you ALL epitomize Plato’s cave scenario?
You’re all listening to AND BELIEVING what the wizard of Oz tells you to believe, himself, nothing more than a creation of a snake oil salesman from Kansas!
WAKE UP!
If you all truly call yourselves truth seekers, then start seeking it, instead of believing in the lies from NASA and tptb!
You are ALL attacking me and others who think opposite to you about the earth, no differently to how the government and people who have taken the vaccine think about you!
Seriously, you all think you’re awake and know the truth, but in reality, you’re trapped inside the many layered dream sequence from the movie Inception. You believe vehemently in space, the universe and aliens ALL GIVEN TO YOU BY TPTB!
Think about that?
Instead of looking out from inside, look inside from out. You’re still trapped in the illusions, you think you’ve escaped from and you’re behaving no differently to the people you castigate on here, whether people who have taken the jab, holocaust believers, 9/11 believers etc etc.
Use your senses. YOU ARE NOT LIVING ON A SPINNING BALL. YOU ARE BEING LIED TO. YOU ARE BEING LIED TO FOR A PURPOSE.
Mr Reynard
on June 19, 2021 at 12:18 am
grimsson Yupp you are perfectly correct ! The “flat earth” theory is a psy-op to attach it to anyone who is asking question, about Kennedy assassination, Moon landing, 911 ect..ect..
See for more info @ https://www.serendipity.li/more/myth_of_apollo.htm
Robert Hooligan
on June 19, 2021 at 1:35 am
It is a wonder the Daily Mail hasnt promoted the idea that the earth is flat….after all they promote all sorts of crazy things …like the David Beckheim family.
They are ALWAYS running stuff about this family of MORONIC CHAVS.
How is it these pricks get so much attention?.
The wife is as common as muck with a permanent vacant expression….who is described as a “clothes designer” which is utterly absurd.Dumb son one likes to dress up in deer stalker outfits and at other times as the local country squire…..they are in short,a laughable collection of council ‘ouse rabble.
So what is the REAL story?….easy they are a family of CRYPTO JEWS the whole damn lot of them.
Now that their BS has run thin in Britain Beckheim is selling the BS in China and the US…..
This,despite the fact the freak is covered in hideous tattoos….there will be the usual morons who will copy him of course.For some reason the media heavily promotes tattooing via the trash celebrity figures like Justein Bieber ANOTHER CRYPTO JEW.
Most likely the emaciated stick insect and clothes designer Victoria Beckheim is using her business to write off tax ….she DID try to avail herself of the free govt subsidies but had to pull back after the public reacted.
That didnt stop Paul McCartneys daughter however…who is an actual designer….The McCartneys are purported billionaires….it does demonstrate in the inherent GREED of these people.
The Beatles were a Jewish (non religious up until recently) pop band with an homosexual Jewish manager…..Ringo Star (real name “Starkey” a common crypto jewish surname) and his wife Barbara Bach are Jews of course….
To be more exact….Lennon and McCartney were actually MARRANO’S….that is Jews purporting to be Catholics….like the Kray psychopaths and Barbara Windsor etc.
Should Marranos get rich they usually end up eventually coming out as full blown Semites.
In 15th Century Spain Marranos,Converso’s Nueva Christian’s etc were hated more than religious “open jews”.
With a bit of luck the Beckheim spivs will get a backlash sooner or later.
@White Elephant, I agree with your heliocentric commentary 100%.
It is a control mechanism that has been in place for millennia in order to distance us from our creator, and to lie about our origins and who we really are. Aliens are nothing but cover for trans-dimensional demons and fallen angels.
If you don’t believe me, simply read the book of Enoch and ask yourself why it was removed from the bible. Genesis makes no sense unless you read Enoch. However if you read Enoch, and then Genesis (our story of origin), and the book of Revelations (prophecy) with understanding, they foreshadow and describe everything that is happening right now. As King Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun.
Back then the demons were doing genetic engineering / transhumanism / nephilim hybrids, sorcery through pharmacopoeia and black magic, teaching mankind to make weapons and to wage war, teaching women to corrupt themselves and thereby seduce men, cannabalism, homosexuality, pedophilia, etc. As in the days of Noah, so shall the end of days be. All of the disgusting practices of the Talmud that are currently in vogue were happening then, as now. That is why God sent the flood in order to destroy an evil, genetically corrupt, and morally bankrupt human race. The fallen angels had literally taught them the knowledge of good and evil (well really, evil).
The Bible also describes that the Antichrist will essentially be transgender (have no natural affection for women). Revelation describes one world government (Babylon), worldwide financial collapse (a days’ wages for a loaf of bread), fractional reserve banking (usury), lying signs and wonders (Covid, climate change), other lovely current events such as famine (coming soon to a country near you), plagues, pestilence, and locust swarms (as if 2021 were not dystopian enough, the cicadas had to make an entrance as well).
It also describes perfectly our current “leaders” who have almost all western Christians fooled: I know you who call yourself Hebrews and you are not; you are from the synagogue of Satan. Sound familiar???
These evil beings/aliens they refer to are real, but they are transdimensional entities. They don’t come from some far off gaseous red planet riding in a metal disk. Seriously? Look into your heart, and think about how preposterous that idea really is.
This is a spiritual battle at its heart, and you are absolutely correct when you say that we must question everything that we were ever taught. I came to that conclusion a long time ago and I too know that the Earth is flat.
Furthermore evolution is a process that tweaks characteristics, but that is not how we were created. We were designed in the image of God. But that is another story.
It occurs to me that the heliocentric model also directly promotes the idea of some distant off planet God who is unjust, capricious, and even evil. But the Bible clearly says that we live in a firmament and that the earth is God’s footstool. In the heliocentric model, we are not special, we are not chosen, we are not God’s children.
No, according to our evil sociopathic demon-possessed leaders, we came out of a random mutated primordial soup that exploded one day, and impossibly gave rise to all of the beautiful, intricate, and amazing creatures that exist on earth. If you can’t see that this is a total crock of BS, then you are just fooling yourself. God sent them the great delusion, for they never had love of the truth… Just look outside your window and see that they are lying to us about even the most fundamental of things.
If you are not even willing to consider the possibility of a flat earth, then you are still hanging on to that last package of lies that you have been taught. Go look at the UN flag, the truth is right in your face. IT IS FLAT, and they are laughing at us, regarding us as stupid subhuman sheep that deserve to be coralled to slaughter. They even have us convinced that aliens are the ones who created us.
I find it interesting that even in truther communities, it is still very much in style to mock flat earthers.
Wake up, you have been lied to about absolutely everything, including our origins, our identities, our home, and about the Almighty.
Yukon Jack
on June 19, 2021 at 3:54 am
“NASA lie to us?
NASA Mars photos are being taken up in Devon Island Canada
Jeff Rense publishes some of these images and says they are artifacts on Mars, proof of a civilization, but you can see they are whale bones and ocean debris.
My favorite is the lemming on Mars, just search for it, or squirrel on mars. or crab on mars
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Hippie song making fun of the moon landing:
Imagine Dragons – On Top Of The World (Official Music Video)
In Amerika if it is not on TV or in the movies then it is not real. Henry Kissinger said it all, “It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true.” The Soviets could not do it only because they lacked the sophistication of the US movie industry and the brainwashing power of the US mainstream media. If the Chinese are going to succeed, it most likely will only be after they fry a few hundred astronauts in the radiation on various attempts, and then finally decide it is best just to do it in one of the studios they recently acquired when they bought Hollywood.
Rob
on June 19, 2021 at 6:57 am
Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. – George Orwell, 1984.
I don’t subscribe to the flat earth model. (Trigonometry based on comparing the angle of the sun at different latitudes on the same line of longitude with synchronised watches is an elegant means of corroborating we live on an (oblate) sphere.)
Allowing for the fact that genuine people often do believe, I think one reason why the FE may have been resurrected is to attack genuine space science scepticism by associating one with the other.
I believe the Mars missions have all been fake, as stated. Richard Hall covered this very well, including the arctic lemming, as mentioned.
I wonder too if other unmanned missions are also suspect. I find the supposed “sling shotting” means of using planetary gravity to give “extra humph” to probes a little too sci fi. Also, I often wonder if the supposed photographs of distant planets and moons may have been taken by increasingly good telescopes rather than probes; after all, I cannot recall a backlit photograph with the sun “looked back upon” with a planet in the foreground.
I believe the photographs of the far side of the moon might deserve some scrutiny, but on this I’m open minded…
lewis jones
on June 19, 2021 at 10:32 am
Freemasonry did not turn to Satanism (Jews did that) until the Nineteenth Century. Before then it was something I would mostly approve of, and it preferred science to the greedy kings or deceptive priests. It embraces dualism as I do and I sometimes experience all the anger we should have against monotheism, which denies exactly half the Universe and hands everything to a male ego. The 1984 kind of scheme only came in with Satanism, not Freemasonry. Copernicus, Brahe, Kepler. Galileo, Newton, Herschel, Hoyle etc were being honest. I heard a long time ago that Phoenicians promulgated Flat Earth fears so as to keep dominating the seas. Colin Wilson gives a very good history of astronomy in “Starseekers”.
White Elephant
on June 19, 2021 at 1:52 pm
Honey Bee,
Good comment.
I concur completely and can’t fault a word of your reply. And yes, I’ve read the Book of Enoch, which incidentally speaks of Semjaza and Azazel, the leader and second in command of the rebellion against God. There is no ‘Lucifer’ in the Hebrew and Greek bible. Lucifer comes from the Latin translation for ‘bright star/dawn of the morning’ (Lucem Ferre) from Isiah 14:12. God is speaking of Adam here. I find it rather hilarious that all these cults have formed, worshiping a ‘Lucifer’ when they’re infact worshiping Adam. LOL
“If you are not even willing to consider the possibility of a flat earth, then you are still hanging on to that last package of lies that you have been taught. Go look at the UN flag, the truth is right in your
Precisely!
All people know of space is what tptb have told them. As I stated, they’re all inside Plato’s cave, plugged into the Matrix, failing to see the illusion in front of them.
And yes, the flat earth map, is on the UN. Why?
I just find it sad that people who see the Geocentric model to be the correct one, are viciously attacked by fellow truthers, who I don’t think they are, because as you rightly say above, they’re holding onto the lies they’ve been indoctrinated to believe all their lives.
White Elephant
on June 19, 2021 at 1:56 pm
As Yukon Jack shows, the Mars landing was filmed on earth.
I like Yukon Jack and I agree with pretty much everything he says on TTS, other than his views on the bible and space. And it’s exactly the same with Lewis Jones.
We can, however, still have civil debates, without any mud slinging. I disagree in their views on this, but vehemently deny their freedom to believe it.
It’s a sign of the times. In the past, this was how people debated with people of opposing views. They showed respect to them. Now, sadly, it turns into a heated argument, where people’s mental health is brought into question, because they don’t believe what they do.
But then, to quote Arthur Schopenhauer:
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
lewis jones
on June 19, 2021 at 6:59 pm
On Earth, if you go far enough, then turn right at 60 degrees, go the same distance and do it again, you should end up where you started, but the sphere prevents that, anywhere on the planet, as surveyors have always found. Ships disappear hull-first, visibly, Earth was photographed from high up, in the 1970s; in the 1990s a mirror was placed on the moon for measuring its distance from Earth, Ancient Greeks got very close to the correct Earth measure using the well in Egypt. The Bering Strait foils FE, you do not meet the Ice Wall, as FE demands, by going in any direction, the movement of stars is very different at the various latitudes, in accord with the heliocentric model, astronomical knowledge has slowly evolved, as can be studied; the sun sinks slowly for Britain but fast in Africa. “Snow-globe” is much more of a prison planet than the other model; the atmosphere moves with the planet and the latter does not change speed, so we do not feel it move. High up, the atmosphere tracks the Earth less, so you get those strong winds.
lewis jones
on June 19, 2021 at 10:03 pm
When the rays of the sun do not look parallel as they shine through broken clouds, they are; you just need to think about your angle of vision. You have clouds to your left and to your right. How could they look parallel?
lewis jones
on June 20, 2021 at 11:28 am
“Flat Earth” is on the UN logo as the old azimuthal equidistant projection, putting the continents into an appearance of a friendly huddle. There are over a dozen ways of trying to get the 3D world represented on a 2D surface.
NASA engineer admits that they can’t get past Van Alan belt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5dPsu66Kw
White Elephant is one of the good posters at TTS, but one of his errors, as I see it, is Flat Earth belief, and I am willing to get into a discussion even though it feels tragic. People who think the moon might not be real or certainly not orbiting the Earth necessarily cannot believe in the Apollo missions. I did not, for more than fifteen years, but during that time I still believed in a lot of human activity in Space, and a lot more ET activity. Today I do not say ours is always benign and some Jewish Nazis like Teller would be involved. People have written books about the Crowleyites in the Space programme. Jack Parsons is an example. For them, the moon is magic, for others it is a place to abuse people and get away with it. A psychic saw enslavement there. Space exploration loses its allure when you see that we take evil into the new habitation. In 1986 I wished we would stop it. We are not mature enough.
Anyone who believes they walked on the moon is an idiot or a shill. Knowledge that the landings were faked is one of a number of litmus tests to discern whether those presenting a certain view point on other “conspiracy type” matters can be trusted. When those promoting alien visitation for example claim that Armstrong and Aldrin saw ET spaceships, it is strange that they can accept this uncorroborated testimony while rejecting a ton of evidence that shows the landings were done in a studio.
(I must admit I’m a keen watcher of “Ancient Aliens” type stuff for the disinformation angle. And lately I’ve had a few laughs at how EVERY unexplained event in human history is attributed to “aliens”. One suggestion was that Noah actually built a spaceship. Solid gold unintentional humour. And the joke always begins : “ancient alien theorists say…” Once you get past the crock for what it is, it’s worth watching.)
(Another litmus test of course is 9/11 and 7/7)
Not terribly convincing… the best proof is here:
https://www.aulis.com/investigation0.htm
Every one of those Aulis papers blows MoonScam out of the water. Together, they form scientific proof that is utterly convincing.
There was no moon landing. Stanley Kubrick stated in an interview that he was responsible for the filming, not forgetting that he left clues, in ‘The Shining’ movie too.
The Hoax of the Century is a HOAX! It’s not Kubrick!
Kubrick Faked The Moon Landing And The Shining Proves It
Everything you’ve been told about is a lie.
When the sun shoots rays of light through broken cloud why are not the rays running parallel?
I mean, if the rays were triangulated the sun would appear to be much closer than 93 million miles away?
Perhaps TTS can find and post a photo to encourage a little dialogue?
Flat-earthers don’t care what anybody thinks, because they know even if we were no longer here tomorrow the sun will still go round the earth.
Lewis Jones,
I find it truly sad, that as a respected poster, you would believe it tragic, getting into a discussion on whether the earth is a globe or flat.
Why do I say this?
Logic. Pure and simple logic. And what follows is not ‘Flat Earth explanations’ as you can read them on the internet, but instead the reasons as to WHY they would create the heliocentric model.
It was the heliocentric model, that really took off in the 16th century with Copernicus and it was a belief, nothing more, with absolutely no proof, whatsoever. Out of the top of his head he came up with the earth spun around the sun, not the other way around. That was the basis of his belief.
But what’s interesting about this belief is, Copernicus was a cleric (very probably a freemason who infiltrated the church) and a believer in God. However, the heliocentric model, by default, today, opposes the belief in a God and goes down the road of Darwinism and the Big Bang theory.
This is nonsense!
The fact that the earth, is this ball, spinning around the sun, at just the correct orbit. If we were any closer, the sun would fry us all, in the heliocentric model.
What made me start looking into geocentricism was what was going on in the world but more importantly, how tptb constantly created bogeymen for the public to fear. What happens when they all run out? What happens when they’ve got rid of the Germans, the Russians, the Chinese, the Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians, Palestinians, the white nationalists etc etc?
By creating the belief that we are a planet (plane with a ‘t’ added on the end), hurtling through a galaxy, one of many, within a universe, of unthinkable size, it holds open the infinite possibility of enemies, just waiting to invade earth. And with this, space programs need to be made. More cash has to be taken from the public to pay for it. We need to all unite on this earth to fight the new threat. This means a world government….and so on, you get the picture.
But Lewis, this is important, all that you and everyone who believes in heliocentrism, itself a theory (a false one at that), fail to see is ALL that you know has been fed to you by tptb.
You have been continuallty indoctrinated all your life. From a young age, you have been shown maps of the solar system in the class room, that cannot be questioned but taken as truth. Constant movies made about space, aliens, invasions. Then there are TV series, Radio shows, comics….the list is endless of this heavy programming of society. Orson Welles read HG Wells’ ‘War of the Worlds’ that ended up terrifying rural America as they all believed that aliens had landed on earth. And the programming continued up to the Stanley Kubrick film of the moon landing.
There isn’t one image of the earth, from space, that hasn’t been created on photoshop. All moving images of the earth are CGI. All ‘space walks’ are filmed in an underwater tank. The people talking from a space station, are on earth, hooked into harnesses, to make them spin, all with CGI trickery to fool people, into thinking they’re in space. The Mars mission was filmed on a Desert (see the movie Capricorn One).
Lewis, we’re told they went to the moon, but they’ve only managed to dig 12km into the earth? And how on earth can they predict where the centre of the earth and what it is, which happens to be just under 6,300km away? How, on earth can you measure the distance between two points, when not only have you never traveled to the destination, but there isn’t a marker placed at the destination?
We’re led to believe that the earth has a molten core. How do they know? Again, 6,300km away and they’ve only dug 12. Ah, I know, volcanoes! So we get lava from the earth…but wait, we also get oil, which, for those who don’t know and like to believe in the lies, isn’t the result of the decomposition of rainforests and dinosaurs. ROTFLMFAO!!
Lewis, I’m going to bring this to a close, because it’s just absurd. They’re laughing their tits off at us. They created this fiction, passed it off as fact and have indoctrinated people, over centuries, through trickery. And they’re doing it with covid and will do it with a future space invasion, copyright of NASA.
The bottom line Lewis, you (and others) believe in the universe, galaxies, spinning planets, gravity, heliocentrism, because you’ve been told to all your life. And you do so because of the countless movies, radio/tv shows, articles written about it, so much so that you now, simply cannot even contemplate that there isn’t anything but a heliocentric model. You, like billions, are exactly on the same page with heliocentrism, as all those billions who believe in that jews are the Hebrews, there was a holocaust, they put a man on the moon, 9/11 was done by Muslim terrorists, 7/7 the same, all the other false flags, man made global warming, overpopulation and of course the covid nonsense. You cannot, possibly, conceive that the earth is flat, because you are trapped within the same programming that has sent millions to take the ‘stabvenom’ and bring about their own, early demise.
You know tptb plan centuries, ahead, however, the whole concept of heliocentrism/space goes as far back as 3BC. How on earth could someone even contemplate this with what they had back then? It’s just madness!
Again, Lewis, all you know about space is what you’ve been told. And you believe it.
I don’t want to get into a long debate on this because I know, that you know, regardless what I tell you, you’re not going to believe otherwise to the heliocentric model. I’m not going to try to change your opinion, as that’s what you believe, but on a final note, all I’d ask is to simply think about what I’ve said, more importantly about the concept of limitless enemies, from millions of galaxies away? How better to instill constant fear and thus control (give up liberty for security) than to say we’re all about to be invaded by the Golgafrinchians, from the planet Zog, in the galaxy of B4Z-61? And more so, in order that we combat this deadly threat, we need a world government and for everyone to give up their freedoms, in order to protect the human race?
This is what it’s all about Lewis – control.
I respect you as a commenter Lewis. I agree on much of what you have to write as you know, but I’m saddened by the fact that you can’t see how you’re being so hopelessly controlled by the Heliocentric model and that its belief cannot only not be questioned but is how it is. And to think otherwise is tragic. Do you not see, Lewis, that’s exactly what they say to people who question the holocaust, naming them ‘insane’ and every other lie that they’ve promoted as truth. Think on that for a while?
@ White Elephant
It’s Flat!
Explain…Why on a clear afternoon, I can see the partial moon and also the complete ball of the sun.
To all,
Apologies for the moon landing videos with Stanley Kubrick. They’re hoaxes and not Kubrick, but an actor called Tom.
Regardless, the moon landing was fake for many reasons. And the reasons are on the internet, easy to find.
Again, apologies. But why was this made? Could it be that Kubrick wanted this done, but wouldn’t do it himself, not only because he didn’t do interviews, but also because he didn’t want any fall back on his family and loved ones? Could this be a whistle blow attempt, without the whistle blower?
“Fruit Loop”…..Look White Elephant is a brick short of a load or not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.
You simply dont debate with these weirdos AND they do a lot of damage to people who mention REAL conspiracies….which may be the objective.
WHETHER OR NOT THE EARF IS FLAT IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
“Those Mars rover photos recently were shot in a studio ITS A CONSPIRACY!”….
BOLLOCKS and silly nonsense….
Their are hundreds more earthly conspiracies that deserve attention,like the fact governments do not arrest the likes of the Facebook Freak or Elon Musk for GROSS TAX EVASION….OR the worlds greatest entrepreneur Sir Richard Brandstein…
OR The Jewish Conspiracy….as outlined in the Protocols of Zyklon….it is THE central conspiracy of all time…
It doesn’t really matter whether the Jewish Overlords sent some Christian-Freemasonic freaks to the moon or not… If the Nazis won WWII the white gentile race would be living on the Moon/Mars now instead of being perpetually stuck on the Planet of the Apes..
Roger Thesaurus…FE Earth has so many ramifications. It points to a global conspiracy, a de facto one world government, a conspiracy to hide the ace of God…That We are not here by accident. Oh and Nukes are fake…Nuclear is just used to frighten and control that and steal money. There are no enemies, all wars are fake…Need I go on…
About FE– there is a 1950s sci-fi book about a future where it is illegal to believe in Space, stars, the sun and planets, and violence has been stamped out, and paedos run the world using mind-controlled sex-slaves. (The Demolished Man). NASA is not spreading globe Earth belief but the opposite. Math Powerland, Eric Dubay, Jeranism, Wayki wayki, Orphan Red,the tall one, are all nuts and Mark Sargent looks like a paid agent (as do some of the others). No-one in FE ever made a good point, not one. Ranty Flat Earth made a U-turn after five years due to a photo of Blackpool with mountains behind. The internet de-bunkers have political ignorance but they get the maths right. I go to them if Big Bear does his FE. He thinks he must be right because of his IQ. Twenty years ago I read big books agaist Apollo, but the authors are sinister. Commies do not like a Nazi achievement. I recently became willing to believe in it.
Roger Thesaurus aka Handy-Andy Neil ,Provence,France aka Albert Schweitzer, downtown Congo (from previous comment on http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=236001)
There are people worthy of debate and those not. You are of the latter.
As I said in my comment on the above thread (in brackets):
“This comment proves the huge difference between you and I when it comes to critical thinking. You’re devoid of it. You cannot see the importance of how much you’ve been lied to, not just on the flat earth or the moon landing, but also 9/11, the Holocaust, the USS Liberty, Sandy Hook, Waco, Charlie Hebdo, Manchester…the list goes on and on, with the latest being Covid.
If the can lie about one thing and get away with it, they’ll continue lying.”
You are that stupid (and yes, you really are) that you are completely incapable of understanding just how important it is, to fool the public into believing in a universe, spinning globes, hurtling through space at zillions of miles an hour and that we, as a people, because of it, are insignificant specks of sand, on a vast beach, itself a speck of sand on another vast beach, itself a speck of sa…….. This promotes the theory that we are not unique beings, but instead nothing more than rubbish to be used and abused by those who believe themselves to be above all. The heliocentric model creates the hive mind and global prison.
The geocentric model is the epitome of godliness and the goodness he created, for us all to be free within. And it’s why Wikipedia, on every channel that speaks of the Flat Earth has a caption underneath warning viewers of ‘archaic belief’. Go figure moron.
If you manage to pull yourself out of Plato’s cave, then you’ll begin to understand what’s going on. Until that time I look at your journey in the form of a very, long, ladder. I’ve climbed the ladder, up to the top and already miles ahead on the plane of knowledge. You, haven’t even found where the ladder is yet.
Now go away and free your mind from the prison you’ve built around it, fool.
It’s about trusting your senses and tptb gaslight us constantly. Irrespective of any analysis of the facts which prove ‘covid’ isn’t the plague, nobody is seeing any extra deaths around them, or ambulances constantly up and down the street (that of course may change soon due to the ‘vaccines’), so there is no pandemic. My senses tell me that I’m on a flat motionless plane and when I look up at the Sun and see divergent rays, my senses tell me it’s local and not 93 million miles away.
Only a complete moronic halfwit could believe that the Earth is flat because if the Earth is flat then NOTHING exists not even the Earth. We would merely be a computer programme. The Mayans and Egyptians before them KNEW the Earth is round; even the ancient Greek mathamatician Eretosthenes, some 2000+ years ago, computed the size of the Earth too within a few hundred meters of present measurements. The flat earth movement was set up a few years ago just to open free thinkers to ridicule because, as I have said, only a complete IDIOT would even think the Earth is flat. Other Suns, other Planets, other “People” ARE real and DO exist which, of course, they wouldn’t if the earth is flat.
Whether the americans got to the moon is debatable even “Buzz” Aldrin in a recent interview, with a young girl, seems to have admitted they didn’t go but then again he also chinned the obnoxious prick in the video above.
Without reading the comments or watching the videos:
THEY PUNTED!
Lewis Jones,
Eric Dubay is not bonkers in the least, but the Flat Earth Society is a psy op, there’s no doubt about that.
We’re going to have to disagree on this. I respect, but disagree with your views, which you’re completely entitled to have. You are civil in debate. I appreciate that.
Those on these boards who claim the earth is flat are displaying either their ignorant lunacy, or are paid shills besmirching those seeking Truth by brushing them off as wing-nuts and wack jobs.
My particular beef is with the ignorant posts of White Elephant, most likely a Soros-funded lackey, mocking us all.
The fact that the earth is spherical was elucidated and the calculated with extraordinary precision by the ancient Greeks. Eratosthenes was among the first, but likely he was simply innovating well known knowledge and principles, not unlike Euclid. The earth’s sphericity and movements can easily be measured, as well as those of other stars and planets with a simple telescope. It’s the absolute height of ignorance to suggest that the heliocentric model is wrong, and the earth is flat.
Shame on any of the ignorant Soros-funded antifa thugs around here pushing these mockeries. Ya, I’m talking to you White Elephant.
For anyone interested in reading about the fake moon landings, I highly recommend David McGowan fantastic series of articles on the topic. As far as I have researched the topic, it’s the best and most comprehensive elucidation of the hoax out there:
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/
grimsson,
Everything that you believe in space, planets, aliens on other planets, in other galaxies, comes all the way from authors of books, most certainly freemasons. As stated there isn’t one picture of the earth from outside. All of them were created on photoshop.
Neil degrasse Tyson, the NASA knob, believes the world is now an ‘oblate spheroid’. That shape is if you take a globe and press it downwards, like a slightly squashed orange. Where are the pictures to prove this? Again, pictures of the earth created by photoshop and moving images are CGI.
Do you not realize just how manipulated you’ve been, by tptb?
Do you know that a map was found, in a Buddhist monastery, dating back to the 10AD that showed a picture of the flat earth, the ice wall and outside it, another 32 continents the smallest being the size of North America? Do you know that they believe Saturn, Mars, Jupiter etc are all merely other suns and moons that rotate on the flat earth? And they are NOT the size we are told they are, but much, much, much smaller?
But lastly and something I’d like you to think about. I believe strongly in my senses. Do you know that we are told that the earth is spinning at 1,000 miles an hour? It means every second the earth is rotating at around 430 metres?
Think about that for a moment would you please?
It means that if you jump, the ground beneath you will have moved 430 metres.
It would also mean that if you took off on a plane to travel to France, which travels half the speed the earth rotates, you wouldn’t arrive at France, it would arrive at you.
I know, when something is moving beneath my feet, but we’re miraculously told that we don’t notice it BECAUSE OF GRAVITY that’s holding all of us down on this earth and nullifying all feeling of movement.
Are you able to understand this? WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON A SURFACE THAT’S ROTATING AT 1,000 miles per hour for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if you think I’m talking BS, then get a circular saw and put a bean on the disc. Turn it on. What happens to the bean?
A circular saw spins at 3-50,000 RPM’s. That’s 130-170 feet per second. That’s 39-51.8 metres a second. Again, the earth is spinning at around 430 meters a second.
How on earth are we not all spinning off into the air, if the earth beneath us is spinning 8-11 times faster than a circular saw?
The holocaust was ripped to shreds by simple maths, that is, on average it would take 18 years to cremate 1 million bodies, 24/7 in 15 crematoria AT LEAST!!!! And the BS that we live on a spinning earth also defies reality, simply by the points I’ve just made, that is, the ground beneath our feet is traveling 11 times faster than a circular saw and we have no notion of movement, on the earth, but if we get on children’s roundabout, in a play ground and someone gives it a push, we’ll come flying off if we don’t hold on. And that, probably spins at around 120RPM’s!!!!!!!
And yet you have the audacity to call me a moron, when you think that not only can you stand, perfectly still, on a surface that’s rotating at 430 metres a second, but that because of the magic of gravity, it removes all sense of movement from your brain?
Look, this isn’t just to you BUT TO EVERYONE.
Think for crying out loud!
You’re being completely indoctrinated by tptb, who have made you believe that you live on a spinning ball, hurtling through space. You have never been outside the earth and believe everything that they’re telling you.
Geez…do you not realize that you ALL epitomize Plato’s cave scenario?
You’re all listening to AND BELIEVING what the wizard of Oz tells you to believe, himself, nothing more than a creation of a snake oil salesman from Kansas!
WAKE UP!
If you all truly call yourselves truth seekers, then start seeking it, instead of believing in the lies from NASA and tptb!
You are ALL attacking me and others who think opposite to you about the earth, no differently to how the government and people who have taken the vaccine think about you!
Seriously, you all think you’re awake and know the truth, but in reality, you’re trapped inside the many layered dream sequence from the movie Inception. You believe vehemently in space, the universe and aliens ALL GIVEN TO YOU BY TPTB!
Think about that?
Instead of looking out from inside, look inside from out. You’re still trapped in the illusions, you think you’ve escaped from and you’re behaving no differently to the people you castigate on here, whether people who have taken the jab, holocaust believers, 9/11 believers etc etc.
Use your senses. YOU ARE NOT LIVING ON A SPINNING BALL. YOU ARE BEING LIED TO. YOU ARE BEING LIED TO FOR A PURPOSE.
grimsson Yupp you are perfectly correct ! The “flat earth” theory is a psy-op to attach it to anyone who is asking question, about Kennedy assassination, Moon landing, 911 ect..ect..
See for more info @ https://www.serendipity.li/more/myth_of_apollo.htm
It is a wonder the Daily Mail hasnt promoted the idea that the earth is flat….after all they promote all sorts of crazy things …like the David Beckheim family.
They are ALWAYS running stuff about this family of MORONIC CHAVS.
How is it these pricks get so much attention?.
The wife is as common as muck with a permanent vacant expression….who is described as a “clothes designer” which is utterly absurd.Dumb son one likes to dress up in deer stalker outfits and at other times as the local country squire…..they are in short,a laughable collection of council ‘ouse rabble.
So what is the REAL story?….easy they are a family of CRYPTO JEWS the whole damn lot of them.
Now that their BS has run thin in Britain Beckheim is selling the BS in China and the US…..
This,despite the fact the freak is covered in hideous tattoos….there will be the usual morons who will copy him of course.For some reason the media heavily promotes tattooing via the trash celebrity figures like Justein Bieber ANOTHER CRYPTO JEW.
Most likely the emaciated stick insect and clothes designer Victoria Beckheim is using her business to write off tax ….she DID try to avail herself of the free govt subsidies but had to pull back after the public reacted.
That didnt stop Paul McCartneys daughter however…who is an actual designer….The McCartneys are purported billionaires….it does demonstrate in the inherent GREED of these people.
The Beatles were a Jewish (non religious up until recently) pop band with an homosexual Jewish manager…..Ringo Star (real name “Starkey” a common crypto jewish surname) and his wife Barbara Bach are Jews of course….
To be more exact….Lennon and McCartney were actually MARRANO’S….that is Jews purporting to be Catholics….like the Kray psychopaths and Barbara Windsor etc.
Should Marranos get rich they usually end up eventually coming out as full blown Semites.
In 15th Century Spain Marranos,Converso’s Nueva Christian’s etc were hated more than religious “open jews”.
With a bit of luck the Beckheim spivs will get a backlash sooner or later.
Read the Article at the link then decide…
https://sputniknews.com/science/202106181083183501-astronauts-may-get-their-spleen-removed-before-long-distance-flights/
@White Elephant, I agree with your heliocentric commentary 100%.
It is a control mechanism that has been in place for millennia in order to distance us from our creator, and to lie about our origins and who we really are. Aliens are nothing but cover for trans-dimensional demons and fallen angels.
If you don’t believe me, simply read the book of Enoch and ask yourself why it was removed from the bible. Genesis makes no sense unless you read Enoch. However if you read Enoch, and then Genesis (our story of origin), and the book of Revelations (prophecy) with understanding, they foreshadow and describe everything that is happening right now. As King Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun.
Back then the demons were doing genetic engineering / transhumanism / nephilim hybrids, sorcery through pharmacopoeia and black magic, teaching mankind to make weapons and to wage war, teaching women to corrupt themselves and thereby seduce men, cannabalism, homosexuality, pedophilia, etc. As in the days of Noah, so shall the end of days be. All of the disgusting practices of the Talmud that are currently in vogue were happening then, as now. That is why God sent the flood in order to destroy an evil, genetically corrupt, and morally bankrupt human race. The fallen angels had literally taught them the knowledge of good and evil (well really, evil).
The Bible also describes that the Antichrist will essentially be transgender (have no natural affection for women). Revelation describes one world government (Babylon), worldwide financial collapse (a days’ wages for a loaf of bread), fractional reserve banking (usury), lying signs and wonders (Covid, climate change), other lovely current events such as famine (coming soon to a country near you), plagues, pestilence, and locust swarms (as if 2021 were not dystopian enough, the cicadas had to make an entrance as well).
It also describes perfectly our current “leaders” who have almost all western Christians fooled: I know you who call yourself Hebrews and you are not; you are from the synagogue of Satan. Sound familiar???
These evil beings/aliens they refer to are real, but they are transdimensional entities. They don’t come from some far off gaseous red planet riding in a metal disk. Seriously? Look into your heart, and think about how preposterous that idea really is.
This is a spiritual battle at its heart, and you are absolutely correct when you say that we must question everything that we were ever taught. I came to that conclusion a long time ago and I too know that the Earth is flat.
Furthermore evolution is a process that tweaks characteristics, but that is not how we were created. We were designed in the image of God. But that is another story.
It occurs to me that the heliocentric model also directly promotes the idea of some distant off planet God who is unjust, capricious, and even evil. But the Bible clearly says that we live in a firmament and that the earth is God’s footstool. In the heliocentric model, we are not special, we are not chosen, we are not God’s children.
No, according to our evil sociopathic demon-possessed leaders, we came out of a random mutated primordial soup that exploded one day, and impossibly gave rise to all of the beautiful, intricate, and amazing creatures that exist on earth. If you can’t see that this is a total crock of BS, then you are just fooling yourself. God sent them the great delusion, for they never had love of the truth… Just look outside your window and see that they are lying to us about even the most fundamental of things.
If you are not even willing to consider the possibility of a flat earth, then you are still hanging on to that last package of lies that you have been taught. Go look at the UN flag, the truth is right in your face. IT IS FLAT, and they are laughing at us, regarding us as stupid subhuman sheep that deserve to be coralled to slaughter. They even have us convinced that aliens are the ones who created us.
I find it interesting that even in truther communities, it is still very much in style to mock flat earthers.
Wake up, you have been lied to about absolutely everything, including our origins, our identities, our home, and about the Almighty.
“NASA lie to us?
NASA Mars photos are being taken up in Devon Island Canada
https://alien-ufo-sightings.com/2017/08/nasa-mars-hoax-rover-is-on-devon-island-canada-you-decide/
Jeff Rense publishes some of these images and says they are artifacts on Mars, proof of a civilization, but you can see they are whale bones and ocean debris.
My favorite is the lemming on Mars, just search for it, or squirrel on mars. or crab on mars
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Hippie song making fun of the moon landing:
Imagine Dragons – On Top Of The World (Official Music Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5tWYmIOWGk&feature=emb_title
In Amerika if it is not on TV or in the movies then it is not real. Henry Kissinger said it all, “It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true.” The Soviets could not do it only because they lacked the sophistication of the US movie industry and the brainwashing power of the US mainstream media. If the Chinese are going to succeed, it most likely will only be after they fry a few hundred astronauts in the radiation on various attempts, and then finally decide it is best just to do it in one of the studios they recently acquired when they bought Hollywood.
Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. – George Orwell, 1984.
I don’t subscribe to the flat earth model. (Trigonometry based on comparing the angle of the sun at different latitudes on the same line of longitude with synchronised watches is an elegant means of corroborating we live on an (oblate) sphere.)
Allowing for the fact that genuine people often do believe, I think one reason why the FE may have been resurrected is to attack genuine space science scepticism by associating one with the other.
I believe the Mars missions have all been fake, as stated. Richard Hall covered this very well, including the arctic lemming, as mentioned.
I wonder too if other unmanned missions are also suspect. I find the supposed “sling shotting” means of using planetary gravity to give “extra humph” to probes a little too sci fi. Also, I often wonder if the supposed photographs of distant planets and moons may have been taken by increasingly good telescopes rather than probes; after all, I cannot recall a backlit photograph with the sun “looked back upon” with a planet in the foreground.
I believe the photographs of the far side of the moon might deserve some scrutiny, but on this I’m open minded…
Freemasonry did not turn to Satanism (Jews did that) until the Nineteenth Century. Before then it was something I would mostly approve of, and it preferred science to the greedy kings or deceptive priests. It embraces dualism as I do and I sometimes experience all the anger we should have against monotheism, which denies exactly half the Universe and hands everything to a male ego. The 1984 kind of scheme only came in with Satanism, not Freemasonry. Copernicus, Brahe, Kepler. Galileo, Newton, Herschel, Hoyle etc were being honest. I heard a long time ago that Phoenicians promulgated Flat Earth fears so as to keep dominating the seas. Colin Wilson gives a very good history of astronomy in “Starseekers”.
Honey Bee,
Good comment.
I concur completely and can’t fault a word of your reply. And yes, I’ve read the Book of Enoch, which incidentally speaks of Semjaza and Azazel, the leader and second in command of the rebellion against God. There is no ‘Lucifer’ in the Hebrew and Greek bible. Lucifer comes from the Latin translation for ‘bright star/dawn of the morning’ (Lucem Ferre) from Isiah 14:12. God is speaking of Adam here. I find it rather hilarious that all these cults have formed, worshiping a ‘Lucifer’ when they’re infact worshiping Adam. LOL
“If you are not even willing to consider the possibility of a flat earth, then you are still hanging on to that last package of lies that you have been taught. Go look at the UN flag, the truth is right in your
Precisely!
All people know of space is what tptb have told them. As I stated, they’re all inside Plato’s cave, plugged into the Matrix, failing to see the illusion in front of them.
And yes, the flat earth map, is on the UN. Why?
I just find it sad that people who see the Geocentric model to be the correct one, are viciously attacked by fellow truthers, who I don’t think they are, because as you rightly say above, they’re holding onto the lies they’ve been indoctrinated to believe all their lives.
As Yukon Jack shows, the Mars landing was filmed on earth.
I like Yukon Jack and I agree with pretty much everything he says on TTS, other than his views on the bible and space. And it’s exactly the same with Lewis Jones.
We can, however, still have civil debates, without any mud slinging. I disagree in their views on this, but vehemently deny their freedom to believe it.
It’s a sign of the times. In the past, this was how people debated with people of opposing views. They showed respect to them. Now, sadly, it turns into a heated argument, where people’s mental health is brought into question, because they don’t believe what they do.
But then, to quote Arthur Schopenhauer:
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
On Earth, if you go far enough, then turn right at 60 degrees, go the same distance and do it again, you should end up where you started, but the sphere prevents that, anywhere on the planet, as surveyors have always found. Ships disappear hull-first, visibly, Earth was photographed from high up, in the 1970s; in the 1990s a mirror was placed on the moon for measuring its distance from Earth, Ancient Greeks got very close to the correct Earth measure using the well in Egypt. The Bering Strait foils FE, you do not meet the Ice Wall, as FE demands, by going in any direction, the movement of stars is very different at the various latitudes, in accord with the heliocentric model, astronomical knowledge has slowly evolved, as can be studied; the sun sinks slowly for Britain but fast in Africa. “Snow-globe” is much more of a prison planet than the other model; the atmosphere moves with the planet and the latter does not change speed, so we do not feel it move. High up, the atmosphere tracks the Earth less, so you get those strong winds.
When the rays of the sun do not look parallel as they shine through broken clouds, they are; you just need to think about your angle of vision. You have clouds to your left and to your right. How could they look parallel?
“Flat Earth” is on the UN logo as the old azimuthal equidistant projection, putting the continents into an appearance of a friendly huddle. There are over a dozen ways of trying to get the 3D world represented on a 2D surface.