The Shin Bet informant Dr David Cohen said on conspiracy radio that Mossad wanted all kennedys dead
or disgraced, both JFK and RFK were claimed a Mossad killings
no name
on December 14, 2020 at 9:10 am
There is a lengthy document in MI 6 archives . remember the Kennedys had irish sympathies
which ran contrary to British foreign policy, Israel was selling drugs all all Irish paramilitaries which raised money to buy jewish guns.
This document gives much detail of Sirhan Sirhan being a programmed patsy, Israel was behind all Kennedy murders
Robert Newton
on December 14, 2020 at 11:32 am
I smell “Limited Hangout” going on here. The prime reason for killing RFK was to prevent him using the power of the Presidency to reopen the investigation into his brother’s death in Dallas.
Carl Jones
on December 14, 2020 at 11:40 am
The challenge: try and come up with narratives based on events since the early 1960s that use the deep state to get what they want? Kennedy’s just keep dying, plane crashes, and skiing accidents… yeh, he just headed for the tree. The US has a black space program & they’ve been further than the Moon. The White space program, Apollo and Space X are for the sheeple.
Kennedy started to issue constitutional money (xecutive order 11110) in an attempt to replace the unconstitutional debt instrument, a Vatican monopoly since 1913, controlled by the Rothchild fam./Jesuits run and privately owned Jewish federal reserve. (Logo of the FED is the Vatican Banking “rising phoenix”, not an eagle)
But a less known reason for their deaths was that in 61 John F and Robert F started a crackdown on the extensive Jewish power interfering in US policy. They used the dept. of justice to put a stop to the money laundering cash to the American Zionists Council for Israel. After their deaths the AZC changed its name to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, and the zionists influence on US policy, money laundering and corruption continued.
Also, I do not believe that they master alien technology but they might have the hardware meaning ufos. They hardly have a good understanding of gravity or repulsion forces(antigravity) that keeps planets from colliding. I dont even believe they were on the Moon. Till recently the US had to buy rd180 rocket engines from Russia to lift their vessels in space. Though the elite is desperately trying to find a safe place where they can avoid the coming poleshift.
Neo
on December 14, 2020 at 3:35 pm
JFK & RFK were degenerate anti-white scumbags. JFK proposed the Civil Rights Act (Simian Rights) in 1963. Believe me, if Jeffrey Epstein was around then, with his jet & island, these two reprobates would be making trips to his island…
White Elephant
on December 14, 2020 at 6:05 pm
The whole alien conspiracy is just a load of utter BS.
Ever heard of Project Bluebeam? For those who haven’t, it’s basically a world takeover, by faking an alien invasion. Through holographic technology and public conditioning (Sci-fi & msm) they’ll all fall to their knees and beg for a world government, to unite all nations on this earth, to fight against the alien invaders. Sound familiar? Yup, almost every Sci-fi movie ever made has fallen along those lines – aliens invade, the world unites.
In the US, when Orson Welles read HG Wells’ War of the Worlds, in 1938, on the radio, many people, in the US, actually thought that they were being invaded and there was panic. They truly believed that aliens had landed. They of course, would have known nothing about aliens, had it not been for the likes of HG Wells and others like him, pawns of the elite, who set them a task to make people believe in aliens.
Why?
Well, they want people to believe that we live in this HUGE galaxy, billions of light years wide. They want people to believe that they are nothing but a grain of sand, on a beach, itself a grain of sand on a beach. They want people to feel so, utterly insignificant about their existence that suicide and euthanasia will be accepted happily. The depopulation agenda is not new, but very old. In Sun Tsu’s Art of War, the best victory is the battle you never fight. You let your enemy destroy themselves. And this is the game plan of the elites/Jews.
There’s a video on JewTube of an interview with Stanley Kubrick, owning up to making the moon landing. We never went to the moon. There is no space station, orbiting the globe. There is no globe. They simply took the word ‘plane’ and added an ‘n’ to create planet, of which there are none.
Yes, the earth is flat. There is no North or South pole, well, that is, no top point of a globe and a bottom one. The north pole is the centre of the earth. The south pole is the ice wall, that shields the earth. And outside of this ‘earth’ there are another 32 continents (as written in an old manuscript, found in a Bhuddist temple) that surround us.
All circumnavigations of the ‘globe’ are from east to west but NEVER from north to south. And more so, no one has EVER traveled, in a straight line east or west. They’ve gone up and down and left and right, but never in a straight line.
I’ve digressed a little but the laughable thing is, people are watching one big movie from NASA, the USA’s cash blackhole, that guzzles billions from the US taxpayer and they’re all pissing themselves at this simple fact. Everyone’s being conned. All images of the earth are computer generated. There is no Mars mission. It’s all being filmed, somewhere on a desert. The hubble telescope is just a computer generated special effects extravaganza, but this is how easy it is to fool the people. First it was novels, then radio, then movies, then TV, then video and now computer games, so much so that people ACTUALLY want a WORLD DEFENCE FORCE, because they’ve all been so heavily indoctrinated and brainwashed to actually think of all the rubbish about light travel, aliens and whatnot.
Covid, all false flags up to 9/11 (and before), USS Liberty, Moon Landing, Alien invasions/abductions, reasons for WW2 & WW1, revolutions….the list goes on of blatant lies to the public, who gorge on them as if they were their last meals on earth. It’s so, incredibly easy to brainwash and indoctrinate people today, all you have to do is say so and they’ll believe you. I can’t wait when the government tells people that they’re going to have to shave their heads, because the covid can live in hair, or before they leave their house, they’ll have to insert a buttplug up their rectum, in order to stop the pass of covid. They’ll tell the people that the anus is the main orifice that the covid virus leaves, to infect others.
lewis jones
on December 14, 2020 at 8:28 pm
On 24 or 26 May 2015 I absorbed the work of four flat-earthers and stuck with them and the rest of them until October 7 of that year when I saw a croaky Florida woman disproving with a film all the words she was saying at the time. Since then FE has only been a study in psychology, like the talent shows. On the ET question I changed my mind a few times until I stabilised on an affirmative view. That was 1994 until about 2017. JFK was what Neo said he was in a comment above.. Oliver Stone liked him and took the blame off Jews, putting it on the military and the weapons industry. In the Stone film it is Blacks who lament Kennedy at the Memorial flame. White opinion is not relevant in Hollywood or among any other Jews. Responding to Weleph here.
Mick
on December 15, 2020 at 12:05 am
This Land of Dogsh*t criminals
America…”The sweepings of Europe”
White Elephant
on December 15, 2020 at 12:42 am
lewis jones,
There are loads of FE morons out there, who haven’t a clue what on earth they’re talking about. I just thought they were bonkers, then I started watching Eric Dubay. They are FE ‘truthers’, who are there to deliberately hijack FE and to make people see them as absolutely bonkers.
Dubay has had most of his videos taken down on You Tube. In fact I came across Dubay, around 10 years ago, when he was writing his Atlantean Conspiracy blog. Very interesting. Have a look at some of his videos on Bitchute (before they get removed most certainly). What I like about Dubay is, he’s a straight up guy, not trying to prove anything, just search for the truth. The minute he started making videos, loads of people started trying to debunk him. They made videos calling him out and worse, being incredibly hostile but Eric just calmly made a video debunking their debunking of him.
Antarctica is the one of the keys to solving the FE reality. From the Swedish polar research it states:
“The Antarctic Treaty, which came into force in 1961, is an international agreement that regulates how Antarctica is to be administered. Currently, some fifty nations have agreed to the Antarctic Treaty, to which Sweden acceded in 1984. The Antarctic Treaty was supplemented with the Environmental Protection Protocol in 1991 to provide additional protection for this unique environment and its associated ecosystem. The provisions of the Protocol have been incorporated into Swedish law through the Swedish Antarctic Act (2006:924).”
And there’s the following interesting observations from Aplanetruth.info that states some incredibly interesting stuff asking the question “Why Is Antarctica Under Military Occupation?”
Bottom line, everything around us is a lie. There isn’t one image of the earth that isn’t created with Photoshop. And laughably Neil deGrassi Tyson, NASA’s black, poster boy on space, said originally that the earth was an “oblate spheroid flattened at the poles” and now has changed that to being, get this, “pear shaped”. So, all those images of the perfect, spherical ball earth, that everyone’s being seeing are certainly not what deGrassi’s promoting are they?
Everything is just, one, big, mindf*ck to say the least. I started looking into FE about 5 or so years ago, simply out of curiosity and then I started thinking “you know they might actually be right”. And then Dubay, started reading out of books, written by previous scholars and their views on the FE and things just started fitting into place.
There are no aliens because of the firmament, the protective dome around the earth that no one can pass. It’s there for a reason.
And to finish, one of the biggest pieces of evidence that we’re being lied to is the concept of a Lunar eclipse, that is when the the moon travels in front of the sun and blocks out the light. There’s only one problem. There are videos and pictures of a ‘lunar eclipse’, where the moon and are both clearly visible above the horizon.
The rabbit hole is incredibly deep. I’ve been hurtling through it now for well over two decades. I’m continually amazed at what I come across, more so because I’ve always been told the complete opposite. We are living in times of incredibly, universal deceit. I’m not quoting Orwell, but he’s right and certainly the further society moves away from the truth, the more people who speak it will be reviled and loathed.
Ted
on December 15, 2020 at 1:09 am
Gee there is a surfeit of disinformation going on here…some of it laughable….including another flat earth freak (FEF).
THE Kennedys were degenerates like Epstein according to one idiot.Yeah right….JFK showed a healthy interest in the opposite sex…..and given his position there would have been pussy on tap 24/7……that is 100% different from the Jewish freaks flying on Epsteins jet…..including the Windsor prick a crypto jew….
Dont have any doubt whatsoever…the deaths of the Kennedy brothers WERE the work of Murder Inc…..Israel.
The Jewish fiends have roving assassination squads….its what they do best…..theyve just murdered another senior Iranian scientist……
The Kennedys father who founded the family fortune did not like Jews….this sealed his fate and that of his family.ONCE they set up their hideout in the Middle East they were always going to go from bad to worse……their organised crime mafia are murderous thugs.
So spare us the disinformation….THE KENNEDYS WERE MURDERED BY THE JEWS….END OF STORY…..
These fiends are so bad they will willing kill their own tribe members if they dont follow tribal orders…..in other words….FANATICS.
zak
on December 15, 2020 at 4:35 am
If the Earth is flat where does the Sun go at night ?
Neo
on December 15, 2020 at 10:56 pm
Some idiot-cretin named ‘Ted’ is defending some Jewish puppet, Roman Catholic Kennedy degenerate who introduced the anti-white Simian (Civil) Rights Act in 1963…Who cares who killed him, one less anti-white scumbag.
lewis jones
on December 15, 2020 at 11:39 pm
For White Elephant: Eric Dubay is one of those I liked in May 2015 but his 200 proofs are counted better as zero, and mainly come from two Victorians, who were de-bunked in their life-times. I wrote 70 pages of little writing on A4 for Owen Benjamin because I was disappointed to see his talent and personality misguide people on astronomy, but I only sent ten, in which my rejections of FE were not contained, except one, which he accepted. I saw that, with humans, illusions are a big source of energy and I do not need to disturb Owen’s “Beartaria” movement, which is generally healthy, especially for children, who have, in many cases, been inspired by his teachings. It does not mean I will never send him the other 60 pages, though.
lewis jones
on December 15, 2020 at 11:43 pm
On the eighth line I meant “inspired into existence”, not inspired once alive.
lewis jones
on December 16, 2020 at 12:14 am
I have read the rest of the WElef post so I have to say more: deGrasse-Thyssen is an horrible ego and is there in the msm to make Blacks seem like the scientific ones, but he only means “very slightly” when he says Earth is an oblate spheroid and then pear-shaped. Those words are unobjectionable. In the 1950s Alfred Bester wrote a future dystopic novel in which NASA, paedophiles, MK Ultra and psychics are in power and make it illegal to believe in Space, planets or stars, as is also implied in the book “1984”. In the novel the last violent man gets reeled in, and this violence inspired Sly Stallone to (loosely) base a film on this book. Next, eclipses were the subject when I persuaded Owen B, but moon-shadow size, not the problem of….what you were saying. This may be a refraction problem or only a partial eclipse. Lastly I blame any ring-fencing of Antarctica on the continuing presence of Nazis, who are also in Chile/Argentina.
lewis jones
on December 16, 2020 at 12:35 am
I forgot to say that four normies in England make a living busting Flat Earth advocates, who are often on the right side of the argument elsewhere but, while three of these sceptics can be funny, they are out of their depth when they stray beyond simple physics. Dubay made some Nazi music I liked, as well, but it does not make him right, even about Hitler.
lewis jones
on December 18, 2020 at 5:04 am
When I asked myself why anyone would say Apollo was faked if it was not, I saw that the anti-Whites do not want to give America any credit and certainly not Nazi Germany, whose scientists are often credited with the moon landings. The dopey lad who phoned Molyneux with FE belief had against Apollo and NASA in general the fact of Nazi involvement. Communist Russia also wanted the USA not to get admiration for technology, of course.
The Shin Bet informant Dr David Cohen said on conspiracy radio that Mossad wanted all kennedys dead
or disgraced, both JFK and RFK were claimed a Mossad killings
There is a lengthy document in MI 6 archives . remember the Kennedys had irish sympathies
which ran contrary to British foreign policy, Israel was selling drugs all all Irish paramilitaries which raised money to buy jewish guns.
This document gives much detail of Sirhan Sirhan being a programmed patsy, Israel was behind all Kennedy murders
I smell “Limited Hangout” going on here. The prime reason for killing RFK was to prevent him using the power of the Presidency to reopen the investigation into his brother’s death in Dallas.
The challenge: try and come up with narratives based on events since the early 1960s that use the deep state to get what they want? Kennedy’s just keep dying, plane crashes, and skiing accidents… yeh, he just headed for the tree. The US has a black space program & they’ve been further than the Moon. The White space program, Apollo and Space X are for the sheeple.
Kennedy started to issue constitutional money (xecutive order 11110) in an attempt to replace the unconstitutional debt instrument, a Vatican monopoly since 1913, controlled by the Rothchild fam./Jesuits run and privately owned Jewish federal reserve. (Logo of the FED is the Vatican Banking “rising phoenix”, not an eagle)
But a less known reason for their deaths was that in 61 John F and Robert F started a crackdown on the extensive Jewish power interfering in US policy. They used the dept. of justice to put a stop to the money laundering cash to the American Zionists Council for Israel. After their deaths the AZC changed its name to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, and the zionists influence on US policy, money laundering and corruption continued.
Also, I do not believe that they master alien technology but they might have the hardware meaning ufos. They hardly have a good understanding of gravity or repulsion forces(antigravity) that keeps planets from colliding. I dont even believe they were on the Moon. Till recently the US had to buy rd180 rocket engines from Russia to lift their vessels in space. Though the elite is desperately trying to find a safe place where they can avoid the coming poleshift.
JFK & RFK were degenerate anti-white scumbags. JFK proposed the Civil Rights Act (Simian Rights) in 1963. Believe me, if Jeffrey Epstein was around then, with his jet & island, these two reprobates would be making trips to his island…
The whole alien conspiracy is just a load of utter BS.
Ever heard of Project Bluebeam? For those who haven’t, it’s basically a world takeover, by faking an alien invasion. Through holographic technology and public conditioning (Sci-fi & msm) they’ll all fall to their knees and beg for a world government, to unite all nations on this earth, to fight against the alien invaders. Sound familiar? Yup, almost every Sci-fi movie ever made has fallen along those lines – aliens invade, the world unites.
In the US, when Orson Welles read HG Wells’ War of the Worlds, in 1938, on the radio, many people, in the US, actually thought that they were being invaded and there was panic. They truly believed that aliens had landed. They of course, would have known nothing about aliens, had it not been for the likes of HG Wells and others like him, pawns of the elite, who set them a task to make people believe in aliens.
Why?
Well, they want people to believe that we live in this HUGE galaxy, billions of light years wide. They want people to believe that they are nothing but a grain of sand, on a beach, itself a grain of sand on a beach. They want people to feel so, utterly insignificant about their existence that suicide and euthanasia will be accepted happily. The depopulation agenda is not new, but very old. In Sun Tsu’s Art of War, the best victory is the battle you never fight. You let your enemy destroy themselves. And this is the game plan of the elites/Jews.
There’s a video on JewTube of an interview with Stanley Kubrick, owning up to making the moon landing. We never went to the moon. There is no space station, orbiting the globe. There is no globe. They simply took the word ‘plane’ and added an ‘n’ to create planet, of which there are none.
Yes, the earth is flat. There is no North or South pole, well, that is, no top point of a globe and a bottom one. The north pole is the centre of the earth. The south pole is the ice wall, that shields the earth. And outside of this ‘earth’ there are another 32 continents (as written in an old manuscript, found in a Bhuddist temple) that surround us.
All circumnavigations of the ‘globe’ are from east to west but NEVER from north to south. And more so, no one has EVER traveled, in a straight line east or west. They’ve gone up and down and left and right, but never in a straight line.
I’ve digressed a little but the laughable thing is, people are watching one big movie from NASA, the USA’s cash blackhole, that guzzles billions from the US taxpayer and they’re all pissing themselves at this simple fact. Everyone’s being conned. All images of the earth are computer generated. There is no Mars mission. It’s all being filmed, somewhere on a desert. The hubble telescope is just a computer generated special effects extravaganza, but this is how easy it is to fool the people. First it was novels, then radio, then movies, then TV, then video and now computer games, so much so that people ACTUALLY want a WORLD DEFENCE FORCE, because they’ve all been so heavily indoctrinated and brainwashed to actually think of all the rubbish about light travel, aliens and whatnot.
Covid, all false flags up to 9/11 (and before), USS Liberty, Moon Landing, Alien invasions/abductions, reasons for WW2 & WW1, revolutions….the list goes on of blatant lies to the public, who gorge on them as if they were their last meals on earth. It’s so, incredibly easy to brainwash and indoctrinate people today, all you have to do is say so and they’ll believe you. I can’t wait when the government tells people that they’re going to have to shave their heads, because the covid can live in hair, or before they leave their house, they’ll have to insert a buttplug up their rectum, in order to stop the pass of covid. They’ll tell the people that the anus is the main orifice that the covid virus leaves, to infect others.
On 24 or 26 May 2015 I absorbed the work of four flat-earthers and stuck with them and the rest of them until October 7 of that year when I saw a croaky Florida woman disproving with a film all the words she was saying at the time. Since then FE has only been a study in psychology, like the talent shows. On the ET question I changed my mind a few times until I stabilised on an affirmative view. That was 1994 until about 2017. JFK was what Neo said he was in a comment above.. Oliver Stone liked him and took the blame off Jews, putting it on the military and the weapons industry. In the Stone film it is Blacks who lament Kennedy at the Memorial flame. White opinion is not relevant in Hollywood or among any other Jews. Responding to Weleph here.
This Land of Dogsh*t criminals
America…”The sweepings of Europe”
lewis jones,
There are loads of FE morons out there, who haven’t a clue what on earth they’re talking about. I just thought they were bonkers, then I started watching Eric Dubay. They are FE ‘truthers’, who are there to deliberately hijack FE and to make people see them as absolutely bonkers.
Dubay has had most of his videos taken down on You Tube. In fact I came across Dubay, around 10 years ago, when he was writing his Atlantean Conspiracy blog. Very interesting. Have a look at some of his videos on Bitchute (before they get removed most certainly). What I like about Dubay is, he’s a straight up guy, not trying to prove anything, just search for the truth. The minute he started making videos, loads of people started trying to debunk him. They made videos calling him out and worse, being incredibly hostile but Eric just calmly made a video debunking their debunking of him.
Antarctica is the one of the keys to solving the FE reality. From the Swedish polar research it states:
“The Antarctic Treaty, which came into force in 1961, is an international agreement that regulates how Antarctica is to be administered. Currently, some fifty nations have agreed to the Antarctic Treaty, to which Sweden acceded in 1984. The Antarctic Treaty was supplemented with the Environmental Protection Protocol in 1991 to provide additional protection for this unique environment and its associated ecosystem. The provisions of the Protocol have been incorporated into Swedish law through the Swedish Antarctic Act (2006:924).”
And there’s the following interesting observations from Aplanetruth.info that states some incredibly interesting stuff asking the question “Why Is Antarctica Under Military Occupation?”
Bottom line, everything around us is a lie. There isn’t one image of the earth that isn’t created with Photoshop. And laughably Neil deGrassi Tyson, NASA’s black, poster boy on space, said originally that the earth was an “oblate spheroid flattened at the poles” and now has changed that to being, get this, “pear shaped”. So, all those images of the perfect, spherical ball earth, that everyone’s being seeing are certainly not what deGrassi’s promoting are they?
Everything is just, one, big, mindf*ck to say the least. I started looking into FE about 5 or so years ago, simply out of curiosity and then I started thinking “you know they might actually be right”. And then Dubay, started reading out of books, written by previous scholars and their views on the FE and things just started fitting into place.
There are no aliens because of the firmament, the protective dome around the earth that no one can pass. It’s there for a reason.
And to finish, one of the biggest pieces of evidence that we’re being lied to is the concept of a Lunar eclipse, that is when the the moon travels in front of the sun and blocks out the light. There’s only one problem. There are videos and pictures of a ‘lunar eclipse’, where the moon and are both clearly visible above the horizon.
Here have a look at one of Eric Dubay’s videos, debunking NASA experts.
The rabbit hole is incredibly deep. I’ve been hurtling through it now for well over two decades. I’m continually amazed at what I come across, more so because I’ve always been told the complete opposite. We are living in times of incredibly, universal deceit. I’m not quoting Orwell, but he’s right and certainly the further society moves away from the truth, the more people who speak it will be reviled and loathed.
Gee there is a surfeit of disinformation going on here…some of it laughable….including another flat earth freak (FEF).
THE Kennedys were degenerates like Epstein according to one idiot.Yeah right….JFK showed a healthy interest in the opposite sex…..and given his position there would have been pussy on tap 24/7……that is 100% different from the Jewish freaks flying on Epsteins jet…..including the Windsor prick a crypto jew….
Dont have any doubt whatsoever…the deaths of the Kennedy brothers WERE the work of Murder Inc…..Israel.
The Jewish fiends have roving assassination squads….its what they do best…..theyve just murdered another senior Iranian scientist……
The Kennedys father who founded the family fortune did not like Jews….this sealed his fate and that of his family.ONCE they set up their hideout in the Middle East they were always going to go from bad to worse……their organised crime mafia are murderous thugs.
So spare us the disinformation….THE KENNEDYS WERE MURDERED BY THE JEWS….END OF STORY…..
These fiends are so bad they will willing kill their own tribe members if they dont follow tribal orders…..in other words….FANATICS.
If the Earth is flat where does the Sun go at night ?
Some idiot-cretin named ‘Ted’ is defending some Jewish puppet, Roman Catholic Kennedy degenerate who introduced the anti-white Simian (Civil) Rights Act in 1963…Who cares who killed him, one less anti-white scumbag.
For White Elephant: Eric Dubay is one of those I liked in May 2015 but his 200 proofs are counted better as zero, and mainly come from two Victorians, who were de-bunked in their life-times. I wrote 70 pages of little writing on A4 for Owen Benjamin because I was disappointed to see his talent and personality misguide people on astronomy, but I only sent ten, in which my rejections of FE were not contained, except one, which he accepted. I saw that, with humans, illusions are a big source of energy and I do not need to disturb Owen’s “Beartaria” movement, which is generally healthy, especially for children, who have, in many cases, been inspired by his teachings. It does not mean I will never send him the other 60 pages, though.
On the eighth line I meant “inspired into existence”, not inspired once alive.
I have read the rest of the WElef post so I have to say more: deGrasse-Thyssen is an horrible ego and is there in the msm to make Blacks seem like the scientific ones, but he only means “very slightly” when he says Earth is an oblate spheroid and then pear-shaped. Those words are unobjectionable. In the 1950s Alfred Bester wrote a future dystopic novel in which NASA, paedophiles, MK Ultra and psychics are in power and make it illegal to believe in Space, planets or stars, as is also implied in the book “1984”. In the novel the last violent man gets reeled in, and this violence inspired Sly Stallone to (loosely) base a film on this book. Next, eclipses were the subject when I persuaded Owen B, but moon-shadow size, not the problem of….what you were saying. This may be a refraction problem or only a partial eclipse. Lastly I blame any ring-fencing of Antarctica on the continuing presence of Nazis, who are also in Chile/Argentina.
I forgot to say that four normies in England make a living busting Flat Earth advocates, who are often on the right side of the argument elsewhere but, while three of these sceptics can be funny, they are out of their depth when they stray beyond simple physics. Dubay made some Nazi music I liked, as well, but it does not make him right, even about Hitler.
When I asked myself why anyone would say Apollo was faked if it was not, I saw that the anti-Whites do not want to give America any credit and certainly not Nazi Germany, whose scientists are often credited with the moon landings. The dopey lad who phoned Molyneux with FE belief had against Apollo and NASA in general the fact of Nazi involvement. Communist Russia also wanted the USA not to get admiration for technology, of course.