{"id":80964,"date":"2013-09-29T12:47:15","date_gmt":"2013-09-29T12:47:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=80964"},"modified":"2013-10-02T07:14:13","modified_gmt":"2013-10-02T07:14:13","slug":"toben-tells-zundel-why-he-doubts-the-holocaust-video-talk-introduced-by-lasha-darkmoon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=80964","title":{"rendered":"T\u00f6ben tells Zundel why he doubts the Holocaust: Video talk introduced by Lasha Darkmoon"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Darkmoon.me — Sept 29, 2013<\/h1>\n

\"\"<\/a>Famous \u201cHolocaust denier\u201d Ernst Zundel is here seen interviewing his fellow revisionist Dr Fredrick T\u00f6ben (left) in this 100-minute cult classic video. Zundel questions Dr T\u00f6ben about his early life and the evolution of his ideas. The interview throws a fascinating light on the genesis of a \u201cHolocaust denier\u201d and raises the important question: how does one break free from the prevailing mass hypnosis practiced on the public through the Jew-owned mass media and finally come to realize the shocking truth\u2014that what is now purported to be the central feature of WW2, the Holocaust, is in fact the most spectacular hoax of all time?<\/h5>\n

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Before you listen to the video, I would like to set the scene and make some general observations of my own about the Holocaust in general and Dr T\u00f6ben in particular.<\/h5>\n
Dr Fredrick T\u00f6ben was born in northern Germany in June 1944, but emigrated to Australia when he was ten. He has lived most of his life in Australia and is an Australian citizen. Having studied at Melbourne University in Australia, he went on to attend the universities of Heidelberg and T\u00fcbingen for postgraduate studies, finally acquiring his doctorate in philosophy from Stuttgart university.<\/h5>\n
T\u00f6ben specialized in the thought of German political philosopher, Karl Popper, whose doctrine of scientific falsifiability has now become a cornerstone of modern science. According to this theory, any hypothesis that is not empirically testable and \u201cfalsifiable\u201d is not a scientifically valid hypothesis, i.e., it is mere metaphysics or \u201cdogma\u201d.<\/h5>\n
It seems to me that T\u00f6ben, educated in the philosophy of science, decided at some point to apply the same idea of \u201cfalsifiability\u201d to the Holocaust. He examined the historical data of World War II methodically, with the precision required of a philosopher of science, and found that the facts presented by the traditional Holocaust scholars simply did not add up. The Holocaust narrative, he concluded, amounted to no more than a religious dogma: a belief unsupported by solid evidence<\/em>.<\/h5>\n
Having reached this momentous conclusion \u2014 that the traditional Holocaust narrative was essentially belief in a new religion which might be called \u201cHolocaustiani<\/span><\/span>ty<\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/span>\u201d \u2014 Dr T\u00f6ben was to bring down the wrath of the Jewish establishment on his head.<\/h5>\n
As a result of his politically incorrect views, T\u00f6ben was systematically bullied, victimized and vilified as a \u201cHolocaust denier\u201d and anti-Semitic racist. He was to receive two prison sentences, one in Germany and one in Australia. He was also to receive crippling fines that amounted to the total confiscation of his property. All this was to demonstrate to the world what his supporters already knew: that the vindictice malice and cruelty of his persecutors knew no bounds.<\/h5>\n
Organized Jewry, having taken control of most of the Western world\u2019s media and legislative institutes, has now succeeeded in making it a crime to question the Holocaust in 17 <\/span>countries<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>: Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, and Switzerland.<\/h5>\n
Dr T\u00f6ben has always shown himself a plucky and highly principled opponent who has refused to buckle and bend under Jewish intimidation, refusing on several occasions to apologize for his views when an apology might well\u00a0 have diminished the severity of Jewish vengeance. To stand up to the Jewish power structure has now, as noted above, become a heinous crime in seventeen countries. Indeed,\u00a0 even to draw attention to this disgraceful fact, as I do now, is a crime in the Jewish lexicon. Kowtowing to Jewry is now compulsory. De Iudaiis nil nisi bonum.<\/em><\/h5>\n
T\u00f6ben, like Ernst Zundel and so many other revisionist historians, considers the Holocaust to be a barefaced lie: a myth perpetuated (in his own words) by \u201cthe Holocaust racketeers, the corpse peddlers, and the Shoah Business Merchants.\u201d He has further asserted, to the accompaniment of howls of rage from the traditional enemies of free speech,\u00a0 that \u201cthe current US government is influenced by world Zionist considerations to retain the survival of the European colonial, apartheid, Zionist, racist entity of Israel.\u201d (See he<\/span>re<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>)<\/h5>\n
Dr T\u00f6ben clearly entertains\u00a0 no love for the state of Israel, which is in itself regarded as a shocking crime nowadays, for any negative criticism of Israel is seen as a symptom of anti-Semitism.<\/h5>\n
In 2005, in an interview with Iranian state television, T\u00f6ben made the controversial comment: \u201cIsrael is founded on the <\/span>Holocaust lie<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>.\u201d<\/h5>\n
The fact that millions of educated people all over the world happen to believe that Dr T\u00f6ben\u00a0 is right does not detract from the controversial nature of the above statement that Israel is founded upon the Holocaust lie. If there were a way of throwing all these millions of Holocaust skeptics into prison, the state of Israel and its zealous supporters would not hesitate to do so. Unfortunately (or fortunately) they cannot consign so many millions of people to prison. It just isn\u2019t practical. There are not enough prison cells in the world for so many potential prisoners.<\/h5>\n
How did Dr T\u00f6ben end up in a German prison? Well, that\u2019s simple: he went to Germany. And soon after he got there, the authorities nabbed him. In April, 1999, they put him in prison, without offering him bail, and kept him there for the next seven months while awaiting trial. He was then accused in court of inciting racial hatred, insulting the memory of the dead, and public denial of the genocide of six million Jews in gas chambers.<\/h5>\n
After three days of careful consideration by Judge Klaus Kern, in which neither T\u00f6ben nor his lawyer Ludwig Bock was allowed to mount a defense\u2014for any defense against \u201cHolocaust denial\u201d is itself regarded as a further<\/em><\/span> crime<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>!\u2014T\u00f6ben was found guilty and sentenced to 10 months in prison.<\/h5>\n
Taking into consideration the seven months he had already served in custody, Judge Kern ruled that T\u00f6ben could be released on payment of a fine of 6,000 marks ($3,500) in lieu of the three months remaining of his prison sentence. German sympathizers raised the money at once, without difficulty, and T\u00f6ben was a free man within 24 hours of the verdict.<\/h5>\n
\u201cThis is a victory for free speech,\u201d T\u00f6ben commented upon his release, and went on to add defiantly: \u201cI will not be silenced!<\/em> I intend to keep on using the Internet to promote discussion on these issues. I believe in seeking the truth. Why are they so afraid in Germany of allowing open discussion about the so-called Holocaust? It can only be because they are <\/span>afraid of the<\/span> truth<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>.\u201d<\/h5>\n
Afraid of the truth! <\/em>Cutting words. But if this is the only way to coerce belief in the Holocaust\u2014to punish people in seventeen countries for daring to doubt the word of the soap-and-lampshade propagandists\u2014there is little hope that Holocaustianity will prevail for much longer as the world\u2019s newest religion.<\/h5>\n
Even during T\u00f6ben\u2019s trial, his lawyer Ludwig Bock had compared the prosecution of T\u00f6ben and other \u201cHolocaust deniers\u201d to the trials of witches in the Middle Ages. The judge had just sat there, rigid and stone-faced, unable to deny what was only too apparent: that T\u00f6ben was to be just another innocent victim of a Jewish witchunt.<\/h5>\n
\u201dI wanted the court to go with me to Auschwitz to see the evidence,\u201d T\u00f6ben pointed out reasonably. \u201cIn any case where murder is alleged, there has to be a murder weapon. I have been to Auschwitz and I know there is no mass murder weapon there. The so-called homicidal gas chambers do not exist.<\/h5>\n

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Faurisson: \u201cShow me or draw me a Nazi gas chamber!\u201d<\/p><\/div>\n

French Revisionist historian Robert Faurission had said pretty much the same thing.<\/h5>\n
\u201cShow me or draw me a Nazi gas <\/span><\/span>chamber<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>!\u201d Faurisson had challenged his critics. \u201cI\u2019m still waiting!\u201d<\/h5>\n
No one has been able to do so. Not a single gas chamber has ever been produced as evidence. What is more, the gullible public don\u2019t even know this. It is universally assumed that there are dozens of gas chambers dotted all around Germany and Poland when in fact there are none.<\/em><\/h5>\n
It is sobering to reflect that British historian David Irving\u2014who probably knows more about the Holocaust than anyone alive today\u2014was fined 30,000 marks ($21,000) for publicly stating what is now openly and authoritatively conceded: that the extermination gas chamber shown to tourists in Auschwitz was a mock-up or \u201cdummy\u201d. It had never gassed a single Jew. It had been built by the Russians after<\/em> the war.<\/h5>\n

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For over 50 years, the staff at Auschwitz told visitors that the Auschwitz main camp gas chamber was original. Now it is admitted that the gas chamber is a reconstruction. The staff at Auschwitz had been lying to the public for half a century. Click to enlarge<\/p><\/div>\n

For decades, the authorities had deliberately lied to the public by pretending that this\u00a0 fake gas chamber was an authentic one.<\/h5>\n
How many Holocaust hoaxes have there been? Wikipedia, which has produced countless articles on every aspect of the Holocaust, has failed as yet to produce a single<\/em> article giving us a comprehensive list of Holocaust hoaxes.<\/h5>\n
Anne Frank has been written about at great length, but the fact that her famous memoir is essentially a forgery concocted by her uncle and a Hollywood scriptwriter (who was asked to write the dialogue) has not been revealed. Elie Wiesel, at every opportunity, relates his Holocaust woes to the world, but is too shy to show us his Holocaust tattoo. Geysers spouting blood. Jewish girls being adopted by kindly wolves and nursed on wolf milk. Jewish couples falling in love with each other behind barbed wire, losing each other after the war, only to meet up again decades later for a whirlwind romance and matrimonial consummmation. The schmaltz is only equalled by the brazen mendacity.<\/h5>\n
How many tears have been shed over Jewish skin turned into lampshades and Jewish bones made into soap?<\/h5>\n
It is impossible to say.<\/h5>\n
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Let me end this brief introduction by relating what happened to me a few days ago. I was sitting in my favorite sidewalk caf\u00e9 at my corner table and writing this essay on my laptop, as is my wont, when a man I knew approached my table and sat down opposite me. \u201cRemember the story about the Kuwaiti ambassador\u2019s daughter?\u201d he said.<\/h5>\n
\u201cOnly too well,\u201d I replied dryly. \u201cWhat of it?\u201d<\/h5>\n
For those of you who are unacquainted with the story of the Kuwaiti ambassador\u2019s daughter, let me say that this story is a typical example of mass media fabrication and black propaganda. It is the way the Jews dish up our news: sensational stories designed to deceive the public and promote profit for the few and mass misery for the rest of us. This story was the work of a public relations firm, Hill and Knowltown. The central character was the teenage daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador.<\/h5>\n
When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1991, having been first given the green light by America, the world was to be outraged by the sob story related by an unknown girl called Nayirah\u2014who was later on to be outed as the Kuwaiti ambassador\u2019s daughter in disguise.\u00a0 She was to testify tearfully, before the cameras, of atrocities committed by Iraqi soldiers in a Kuwaiti hospital: of scenes of horror which the wretched girl had witnessed with her own eyes.<\/h5>\n
She had seen these satanic soldiers rip babies out of <\/span>incubators<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong> and toss them sadistically on the ground. I forget if she said they had trampled on the babies with their hobnailed boots, crushing their skulls to a bloody pulp on the hard stone floor. I can\u2019t remember. I wouldn\u2019t put it past her. After all, she had been schooled in her story by the best merchants of mendacity, the public relations firm of Hill and Knowltown, with a view to enraging the credulous masses of America\u2014natural born saps who can always be relied upon to fall for the latest lie.<\/h5>\n
And fall for it they did. Leading to America\u2019s subsequent intervention in Iraq in 1991 and the massacre of countless Iraqi soldiers in the cruelest circumstances: by burying them alive in huge open pits and burning them to cinders as they fled for their lives.<\/h5>\n
\u201cOkay, so what\u2019s your point?\u201d I asked the young man who had interrupted me in my literary labors. \u201cWhy do you bring up the story of the Kuwaiti ambassador\u2019s daughter?\u201d<\/h5>\n
He threw a newspaper down on the table. \u201cRead that,\u201d he said. \u201cDoes it ring a bell? Doesn\u2019t it remind you of the story of the Kuwaiti ambassador\u2019s daughter?\u201d<\/h5>\n
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Authentic history or yet another compendium of tall stories and fabrications? Click to enlarge<\/p><\/div>\n

I began to read the book review. As I read, I began to feel my blood boil. My pulse began to race and rattle and I had to pause several times in my reading, biting my lip in anger at the outrageous lies being marketed by this British tabloid rag, the\u00a0Daily Mail.<\/em> The book review was about the evil German women of the Third Reich, thirteen million of them apparently, all rampaging around in the \u201cNazi killing fields.\u201d Written by Professor Wendy Lower, it was called Hitler\u2019s Furies<\/em>.<\/h5>\n

Let me give you an idea of this \u201cchilling\u201d and \u201csensational\u201d new book by quoting from the review which I now have before me on my desk. I wonder what Dr T\u00f6ben will make of these latest revelations of German iniquity, all of them concentrating on the female of the species, mulier Teutonica<\/em>.<\/h5>\n
This is how the <\/span>book <\/span>review<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong> begins:<\/h5>\n
Blonde German housewife Erna Petri was returning home after a shopping trip in town when something caught her eye: six small, nearly naked boys huddled in terror by the side of the country road.<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
Married to a senior SS officer, the 23-year-old knew instantly who they were.<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
They must be the Jews she\u2019d heard about \u2014 the ones who\u2019d escaped from a train taking them to an extermination camp.<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
But she was a mother herself, with two children of her own. So she humanely took the starving, whimpering youngsters home, calmed them down and gave them food to eat.<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
Then she led the six of them \u2014 the youngest aged six, the oldest 12 \u2014 into the woods, lined them up on the edge of a pit and shot them methodically one by one with a pistol in the back of the neck.<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
This sets the tone. Cold, heartless Aryan murderesses. Every single one of them, Satan\u2019s daughter, an emissary from hell. Let me add that the book reviewer is forced to admit in a reluctant memo, at the end of the article, that the evidence against these women was virtually non-existent.<\/h5>\n

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\u201cLisolotte Meirer killed Jews for sport during the Third Reich,\u201d says the Daily Mail, hunting them down in the snow with her cruel SS boss. The Daily Mail however fails to mention that this nice-looking young woman was fully acquitted\u2014 with all charges against her being dropped for lack of evidence. Click to enlarge<\/p><\/div>\n

Apart from one woman, Erna Petri, \u201call the others mentioned here,\u201d he admits candidly, \u201cwere tried and <\/span>acquitted<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong> or released after questioning.\u201d<\/h5>\n
They were tried and acquitted by the Americans, incidentally, not by the Germans. So they were actually acquitted by their own wartime enemies.<\/h5>\n
In spite of this acquittal, the Jewish (?) author of this blood-and-thunder Holocaust memoir\u00a0 bizarrely suggests that the women were nevertheless guilty,\u00a0 but managed to get off the hook only because they were too ashamed to admit their guilt.<\/h5>\n
\u201cThis fact has been suppressed and denied,\u201d she sputters indignantly, \u201cby the very women who were swept up in the regime and by those who perpetrated the violence with impunity. But genocide is also women\u2019s business. When given the \u2018opportunity\u2019, women too will engage in it, even its bloodiest aspects.\u201d<\/h5>\n
We\u2019ll take your word for it, Professor.<\/h5>\n
After all, you\u2019re a woman. And so you must know from personal experience what genocidal hellhags women can be.<\/h5>\n
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The story of the Kuwaiti ambassador\u2019s daughter springs to mind as one read these sensational anecdotes, all from eyewitness accounts of dubious provenance and without a single source reference that can be accepted as reliable. Here\u2019s another story that could have come straight from the public relations firm of Hill and Knowlton:<\/h5>\n
She [Johanna Altvater,\u00a0 a 22-year-old secretary] marched into a building being used as a makeshift hospital and through the children\u2019s ward, eyeing each bed-ridden child. Then she stopped, picked one up, took it to the balcony and threw the child to the pavement three floors below. She did the same with other children. Some died, and even those who survived were seriously injured.<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
Her speciality \u2014 or, as one survivor put it, her \u2018nasty habit\u2019 \u2014 was killing children. One observer noted that Altvater often lured children with sweets. When they came to her and opened their mouths, she shot them in the mouth with the small pistol that she kept at her side.<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
On another occasion, she beckoned a toddler over, then grabbed him tightly by the legs and slammed his head against a wall as if she were banging the dust out of a mat.<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
She threw the lifeless child at the feet of his father, who later testified: \u2018Such sadism from a woman I have never seen. I will never forget this.\u2019<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
True, it is hard to forget. It is even harder to believe. I have met German women. I have lived in Germany. German women are among the noblest I have met. Never forget that two million of these women were raped, tortured, and put to death in the cruellest circumstances after WW2 by their Allied victors, especially by the Russians on the express orders of their bloodthirsty Bolshevik Jewish commandant Ilya <\/span>Ehrenberg<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>.<\/h5>\n
Even [German] nuns in habits were raped\u2026.182 Catholic nuns were raped by Red Army soldiers in the diocese of Kattowitz, the soldiers left behind 66 pregnant nuns. Some women lived for weeks on rooftops trying to escape the violence\u2026.<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
The Russians had gone as far as actually to crucify nearly all the [German] villagers whilst still alive, nailing a number of women and even babies to barn doors\u2026. Every room contained bodies, the corpses of children and of women who had evidently suffered serial rape before their deaths\u2026.women who had been raped and mutilated one by one, each with an empty wine bottle in her vagina\u2026. (See here<\/span><\/a>)<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n
And these German women, we are now told in this new Holocaust memoir, were no more than a bunch of sadistic serial killers. Thirteen million of them, all in the Nazi party, all goose-stepping vampire girls in jackboots wielding wicked whips like demented dominatrices!\u00a0 The point being, I guess, that as German<\/em> women they had it coming to them after WW2. Rape, torture and brutal murder\u2014with their breasts hacked off and their babies ripped from their wombs\u2014all this was no more than the horrid creatures deserved. It was retribution for being evil Nazis who had done away with six million Jews in gas chambers\u2014in imaginary <\/em>gas chambers, please note, since not a single authentic gas chamber has to date been found.<\/h5>\n
Remember the gas chamber at Auschwitz turned out to be a fake\u2014just like the fake lampshades made of Jewish skin and the fake soap made of Jewish bones. (See her<\/span><\/span>e<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>,\u00a0 her<\/span>e<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>, her<\/span>e<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>, and <\/span>her<\/span>e<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>.)<\/h5>\n
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The video you are about to see is cult memorabilia. The interview it features took place in 1997, ten years before Ernst Zundel\u2019s conviction in February 2007 in a German court for \u201cinciting hatred against an <\/span><\/span>identifiable group<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>\u201c:\u00a0 in short, for the crime of saying what millions now increasingly believe\u2014that the Holocaust is a hoax calculated to legitimize the state of Israel and defame the German people.<\/h5>\n
The Holocaust narrative, unproven and unprovable, subjects the German people to endless obloquy and defamation. It makes extortionate demands for reparations payments, without an end in sight. It is, quite simply, legalized blackmail.<\/h5>\n
To see the video, click on<\/h5>\n
Ernst Zundel in Conversation with Dr fredrick Toben \u2014 <\/span>Portrait of a Philosopher, 1997<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong>.<\/h5>\n

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