{"id":38549,"date":"2011-11-27T07:48:46","date_gmt":"2011-11-27T07:48:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=38549"},"modified":"2016-07-05T05:08:07","modified_gmt":"2016-07-05T05:08:07","slug":"buchenwald-memorial-archivist-cannot-id-elie-wiesel-as-an-inmate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=38549","title":{"rendered":"Buchenwald Memorial Archivist Cannot ID Elie Wiesel as an Inmate"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\">Caroline Yeager \u2013 Elie Weisel Cons the World November 27, 2011<\/h1>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">According to a letter received by a German reader of this website from Sabine Stein of the <em>Gedenkstatte<\/em> Buchenwald (Wiemar, Germany),\u00a0the\u00a0 Buchenwald Memorial\u2019s acceptance that Elie Wiesel is one of the men in the <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.eliewieseltattoo.com\/the-evidence\/photographic-evidence\/buchenwald\"><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">famous Buchenwald Liberation photograph<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\"> is based on the reliability of Yizhak Arad\u2019s <em>The Pictorial History of the Holocaust<\/em>. This book was published several years <em>after<\/em> the New York Times announced to the world that Elie Wiesel was in the picture, and the U.S. Holocaust Museum went along with it. There has never been any real, or convincing, verification that the man in the picture is Elie Wiesel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/Buchenwald-survivors.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-38552\" title=\"Buchenwald survivors. Click to enlarge\" src=\"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/Buchenwald-survivors-300x243.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"243\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/Buchenwald-survivors-300x243.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/Buchenwald-survivors.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>Originally published in 1990, \u00a0<em>The Pictorial History of the Holocaust<\/em> was edited by Yizhak Arad; designed by Hava Mordohovich, published by the Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs\u2019 and Heroes\u2019 Remembrance Authority in Jerusalem. It says on the copyright page: <em>The publication of this album was made possible through the initiative and generosity of Miriam and Haim Schaechter. <\/em>The Editorial Board is composed of Yizhak Arad, Reuven Dafni, Gideon Greif and Yehudit Levin. Maps drawn by Alissa Gold. The book is a 100% Jewish-Israeli production (note the Star of David on the cover) and is partisan propaganda.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">But the Buchenwald Memorial outside of Weimar has nothing better to point to as why we should believe that Elie Wiesel was one of their famous \u201cguests.\u201d This book captions the picture in question as:\u00a0 \u201cElie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize winner 1986, is the farthest right on the second tier from below.\u201d Interesting that they add Nobel Peace Prize winner, isn\u2019t it? That was the <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.eliewieseltattoo.com\/gigantic-fraud-carried-out-for-wiesel-nobel-prize\"><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">whole purpose<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\"> of claiming Elie to be in the picture to begin with.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Sabine also admits that Simon Toncman\u00a0(standing, who never identified himself in the picture) was identified by his internee number, while all others who are <em>supposedly<\/em> known to be in the picture recognized, i.e. identified, themselves. That means Elie Wiesel is self-identified, as is Myklos Gr\u00fcner.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">To put a better face on this, Ms. Stein tells the letter-writer about the questionnaire of 22 April 1945. But as we know, this questionnaire was filled out for L\u00e1z\u00e1r Wiesel with a birthdate of Oct. 4, 1928, not Sept. 30 which is Elie\u2019s birthdate, and the <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.eliewieseltattoo.com\/the-evidence\/signatures-of-elie-and-lazar\"><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">hand-written signature<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\"> on the questionnaire doesn\u2019t match Elie\u2019s later known signature. The Buchenwald ID number given to this L\u00e1z\u00e1r Wiesel is 123165, which had formerly belonged to a Pavel Kun who died on 8th March \u201945 (one month earlier!) That means it could not have been given to Elie Wiesel when he arrived and was registered at the end of January &#8217;45.\u00a0 Why would young Elie Wiesel be given, in April,\u00a0 a new ID number that had belonged to a recently deceased inmate? And at the same time be given a new birthdate?\u00a0 With all these problems, this questionnaire is still used, along with the photograph, to \u201cprove\u201d Wiesel was detained in Buchenwald. I conclude that the Memorial Museum is only going along with these weak pieces of \u201cevidence\u201d because it is itself part of the \u201cholocaust\u201d business. We must remember that the Buchenwald Memorial was the creation of ex-inmates, mostly communists, who had. and still have, a vested interest in promoting the worst possible view of the National Socialist Germans. No exaggeration or lie was too great for them to enshrine as truth. The organization these ex-inmates formed still runs the Buchenwald Memorial site today.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">All deceased internees names not known<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Ms. Stein further tells our reader that her department cannot determine the names of all deceased internees of the KZ Buchenwald because at the beginning of\u00a01945 arrivals died\u00a0before their personal datas could be registered. However, the day and location of death was registered as \u201cunknown deaths.\u201d (We know that Shlomo Wiesel could not be one of these &#8220;unknown deaths&#8221; because his death, according to son Elie&#8217;s books,\u00a0 took place over a week after arrival. In addition, others in the transport Elie and Shlomo are said to have been on were registered.) According to Stein, there were a total 1265 of these deaths between Jan. 1 and April 11, 1945 and just who they are will be determined at a future time when the Bad Arolson archives are made available to them. (Can it be that the Arolson archives are open to Ken Waltzer of Michigan State University Jewish Studies Dept. but not to the Archive Dept. of the Buchenwald Memorial Museum? Strange stuff.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Therefore, Sabine Stein says a complete list of the names of the liberated internees of the KZ Buchenwald, who were present at Buchenwald on April 16, 1945, is not available from her. In other words, she cannot clear up the mystery of Elie Wiesel, she can just go along with the narrative as it is and not make waves.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">The letter from Sabine Stein to our reader, with personal information removed,\u00a0 is translated below into English.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">07 09 11<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Dear\u00a0 Mr. ______,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Please find the enclosed answer of your questions as per our previous notice.<br \/>\nPermit me some remarks concerning\u00a0the general position of the memorial regarding its archive and documents.<br \/>\nThe Archive of the memorial does not posses the original registration of the KZ Buchenwald, nor the original documents of the closing of the camp after its liberation in April 1945. Those documents are stored at the International Search Service of the Red Cross at Bad Arolsen (<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.its-arolse.org\/\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">www.its-arolsen.org<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">). The basis of our research is a biographical collection of individual persons and\u00a0comprehensive reports for our archive. We\u00a0started in 1971; for historical reasons it is therefore forced to be incomplete. In order to arrive at dependable results, additional relevant collections and archives have to be gained, specifically in regard to internees who were\u00a0transferred\u00a0to different national socialist\u00a0concentration or destruction camps.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">1) Photo 020-46007<br \/>\nWith exception of\u00a0Simon Toncman\u00a0 who was identified\u00a0 by his internees number, all\u00a0 other named persons recognized\u00a0 themselves. Elie Wiesel`s identification was based on the publication of Yizhak Arad\u2019s <em>The Pictorial History of the Holocaust<\/em>, Maxwell Macmillan International 1992. On page 403 is the photo and on page 404 the following text appears: <em>Buchenwald, after the liberation, survivors\u00a0in their barracks. Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize winner1986, is the farthest right on the second tier from below.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">2) Regarding the liberated person Elie Wiesel, there exists a\u00a0 questionnaire\u00a0on microfilm for inmates of the concentration camp 22nd of April 1945, (BwA 51-11-842). With the exception of\u00a0 Simon Toncman\u00a0 who was identified\u00a0 by his internees number, all\u00a0 other named persons recognized\u00a0 themselves. The original is at the aforementioned ITS (International Tracing Service) Arolsen.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">When\u00a0counting the dead internees based on the camp statistics, you made an error.\u00a0 According to documents of the camp office, official death is registered\u00a0for the time span 1.1.1945 to 31.3 1945. <em>(Jan. 1 to March 31\u20143 months -cy)<\/em> During that time 13.910 internees died.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">From 1.4.1945 until 11.4.1945, 913 internees died. <em>(April 1 to April 11\u201410 or 11 days)<\/em> This amounts (from 1.1 to 11.4 1945), to a total of 13,966 and not 13,969. <em>(These figures don\u2019t add up, but I double-checked them and this is what the original letter in German said.)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Throughout years of research we tried our best to determine the names of all deceased internees of the KZ Buchenwald. Yet at the beginning of\u00a01945 arrivals died\u00a0before their personal datas could be registered, in that case\u00a0the statistics of the camp register them as &#8220;unknown&#8221; death. All those not-named\u00a0deaths are registered at\u00a0the data bank as &#8220;unknown death,&#8221; by day of death and location of death. For the time of January till\u00a0April 1945 a total of 1265. Because the archive\u00a0of the international search institute at Bad Arolsen unfortunately remained closed for us, the files available there are not yet worked into our memorial book.\u00a0 This will be done in the near future. A complete list with the names of the liberated internees of the KZ Buchenwald or the persons present at Buchenwald on 16.4.1945 is unfortunately not available. Further information might be found at the National Archive\u00a0at Washington.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Of the 5 Buchenwald internees numbers, I can only name the one of Miklos Gruener (Michael Nikolas Gruener), 120762. The one of Wiesel, 123165, you know already. The other numbers I could not find because the number card is not handed down <em>(or complete)<\/em>.\u00a0 Only ITS Arolsen can also help here.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Friendly Greetings<br \/>\nSabine Stein\/Archive<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.eliewieseltattoo.com\/buchenwald-memorial-archivist-cannot-id-wiesel-as-an-inmate\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>But accepts that Wiesel was interned at Buchenwald on the basis of New York Times claims, which in turn were based on a photo now in dispute<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":39262,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38549","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-Hidden_and_Revisionist_History"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38549","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/39262"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=38549"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38549\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":135715,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38549\/revisions\/135715"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=38549"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=38549"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=38549"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}