{"id":28520,"date":"2011-06-18T07:46:14","date_gmt":"2011-06-18T07:46:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=28520"},"modified":"2011-06-20T06:10:00","modified_gmt":"2011-06-20T06:10:00","slug":"jews-and-their-self-interest","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=28520","title":{"rendered":"Jews and Their Self-Interest"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Gilad.co.uk \u2013 June 18, 2011<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Over a week ago I emailed to the well- known\u00a0 blogger\u00a0 Philip Weiss,\u00a0 an interesting post written by Nahida (AKA The Exiled Palestinian).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">In her article, <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com\/2011\/06\/jewish-voice-for-peace-really.html\"><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Jewish Voice For Peace? Really??<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\"> , Nahida expresses some sharp criticism of Jewish anti-Zionist groups, forcefully arguing that \u201cAnti-Zionist Jewish organisations are trying to silence Palestine&#8217;s supporters, to frame the debate\u201d and to \u201csteer the course of the liberation\u201d of her homeland.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Since Weiss runs the most popular <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/mondoweiss.net\/\"><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Jewish progressive blog<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">, offering an invaluable source of information regarding Israeli crimes, I thought he might be willing to address Nahida\u2019s criticism, and to discuss it with his many progressive Jewish followers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Weiss did not post\u00a0Nahida\u2019s article on his blog, but his discussion with me\u00a0was brave and honest*, and to a certain extent he affirmed Nahida\u2019s criticism, admitting that it was indeed \u2018Jewish self-interest\u2019 that he himself was \u2018concerned with\u2019.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Weiss had the following to say on the matter:<strong>\u00a0\u201cI believe all people act out of self-interest. And Jews who define themselves at some level as Jews &#8212; like myself for instance &#8212; are concerned with a Jewish self-interest. Which in my case is: an end to Zionism.\u00a0 A theory of political life based on altruism or concern for victims purely is doomed to fail.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Openly and bluntly, Weiss confirmed what many of us have been saying for a very long time: it is not solely \u2018altruism\u2019 or concern for Palestinians victims that motivates some of the most prominent Jewish campaigners and organisations, but it is also, as Weiss freely admits, \u2018Jewish self-interest.\u2019\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I confessed to Weiss that I was overwhelmed by his frankness. I think that Weiss may well be the first Jewish activist to admit , or even to define the Judeo-centric impetus behind the Jewish- progressive political discourse.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I decided to press it further, asking Weiss whether he considered himself to be \u2018tribal\u2019?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">And once again, Weiss\u2019 answer was brave and honest, though he did start to express some frustration. He answered, <strong>\u201cYes I do at some level. And what bugs me about stuff you send me <\/strong><em>(I guess that Weiss was referring to Nahida\u2019s article)<\/em><strong> is that I end up in the end inevitably and predictably at some site trashing Jewish religion, to which I have very little connection, though yes I feel some core \u2018Id\u2019** and this makes me think in the end, that dialogue with you will not help ME because I am interested in frying different fish. While you seem out rather reductively to prove the degeneracy of a religion which I\u2019m sure is deeply problematic, as Islam is and the Church of Pedophilia\u2026( <\/strong><em><strong>sic<\/strong><\/em><strong>)\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">However, I still do not grasp\u00a0why Weiss thinks that I am interested to reductively \u2018prove the degeneracy of a religion\u2019 &#8212; I am not really interested in criticising the religion of Judaism, or any other religion for that matter: in fact, I am far more concerned with Jewish secularism and Jewish secular ideology.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">However, it was at that stage that\u00a0I realised that Weiss was a perfect candidate for an interview.\u00a0 He certainly embodies the Jewish-progressive school of thought: a unique mixture of righteousness, charming self-love, mixed together with some deep intolerance towards other people\u2019s belief systems.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I went on to ask Weiss: \u201cWhat does the word \u2018Jewish\u2019 mean for you?\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Weiss was\u00a0short and precise in his response : &#8220;<strong>My mother, my father, my grandparents, a family feeling, us-ness, in distinction to the Them.&#8221;<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I pressed Weiss further\u00a0, asking him,\u00a0\u201cthis \u2018us-ness\u2019 does it really\u00a0extend beyond family and friends? Do you, for instance, feel \u2018us-ness\u2019 with an Iraqi Jew?\u201d, I wondered.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\"><strong>\u2018I think identity is multi-factorial,\u2019<\/strong> Weiss replied<strong>,\u00a0\u00a0 \u2018I feel American before I feel Jewish. I think that&#8217;s the achievement of my life, to have flipped those identities, and Jewish is second. I see Jewish as this great civilization that I am part of. That transcends borders, and it&#8217;s not Zionist. Zionism is like <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sabbatai_Zevi\">Shabbetai Tzvi<\/a>,\u00a0 It&#8217;s a big chapter in a long story. Jews will survive this one too. Jews is: a sense of difference, yes, inevitably of elite identity, that&#8217;s part of Jewish history and one I struggle with.\u00a0 Jewish is a Story, a myth\u2026\u2019<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I liked the imaginative\u00a0 and poetic manner in which Weiss referred to his own identity. I appreciated his honesty, and I also accepted what seems to be a possible discrepancy between the universal consciousness and the tribal affiliation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">And yet, I really wanted to grasp how Weiss translated his sense of tribalism into a political, or ideological, awareness. I enquired further, to which he responded, <strong>\u2018I\u2019m against compartmentalized identity but I do think that people are tribal, it&#8217;s the nature of the species right now, and the deal is do we call on that or do we try and reduce it? I\u2019m for reducing it but not denying its existence till everyone puts down their shield and that doesn\u2019t seem bloody likely.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I had some \u201cus-ness\u201d from my family, a lot of it, but bridled at it. \u201cIs it good for the Jews?\u201d question bugged the hell out of me. But if Herzl, a Christmas tree Jew like me, was made Jewish by anti Semites, as he was, I was made Jewish by the Neocons. I thought, I\u2019m Jewish too so f**k them with their tribalism.\u2019<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">You can call it anything you like. you can reduce it to <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/jewishvoiceforpeace.org\/\"><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">JVP is Jewish<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">, or JVP has multiple dimension. I\u2019m in the multidimensional human camp.\u00a0 My wife is not a Jew. She uses Ayurvedic typology, Jungian typology and Freudian (psychoanalysis)\u00a0\u00a0 to understand people.\u00a0 She uses Astrology too sometimes. I dip around in all that too and I\u2019m also Jewish and feel a real bond with Jews. Is it Ashkenazi and racist? I\u2019m sure it is at some level. They&#8217;re the ones I grew up with. Do I transcend? I hope so.\u2019<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">That is fairly impressive, I thought to myself : up to that point, Weiss had seemed to be coherent, a healthy amalgam of a self-reflective person who acknowledges his tribalism and roots, yet tries to transcend those aspects.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">And yet, I was still slightly confused &#8212; I reminded\u00a0Weiss that\u00a0only two days earlier he had mentioned in our discussions that\u00a0Jews like himself\u00a0 were\u00a0\u201c concerned with a Jewish self-interest\u201d. I then asked him whether he approved that Jewish anti-Zionist activism may as well be primarily concerned with Jewish interests?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I guess that at that stage, Weiss started to feel irritated or even trapped, for he somehow turned sour, saying : <strong>\u201cPrimarily concerned with Jewish interests seems a stupid trap to me.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">But, I reminded Weiss that \u201cself-interest\u201d \u00a0and \u201cJewish self-interest\u201d had been his own words, quoting to him his initial reaction to Nahida\u2019s post\u00a0 &#8212; indeed, Weiss had actually said, &#8220;<strong>I believe all people act out of self-interest<\/strong>. and <strong>Jews ..like myself<\/strong> &#8212; are concerned with a <strong>Jewish self-interest<\/strong>.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I suggested to Weiss that I can live with inconsistency &#8212; I also offered him the opportunity to feel free to change his words, or amend his narrative to suit his &#8216;new line&#8217; ( in which he had stated that \u201c<strong>primarily concerned with Jewish interests\u00a0 seems a stupid trap\u201d<\/strong>).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I did feel , however, that Weiss should at least be made aware of the contradictions in his own words: after all, one can either argue that \u201cJews act out of Jewish self-interest\u201d or, one can contend that to be \u201cprimarily concerned with Jewish interests is a stupid trap.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">Yet, one cannot have it both ways, and one cannot hold these two views simultaneously, unless an explanation is offered.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">But I guess that I asked for too much :\u00a0 Weiss didn\u2019t want to address the contradiction, saying,\u00a0<strong>\u201c( I ) Disown none of them,\u201d\u00a0<\/strong> explaining to me his opinion that<strong> \u201cfoolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a little mind.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">At that point, I felt that\u00a0it would be the right time to disengage, and to leave Weiss alone, just before things got further out of control.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">It seems to me that once again, I have failed to converse with a\u00a0\u2018progressive Jew.\u2019\u00a0 I guess that in spite of the openness Weiss showed initially, he, like mny others,\u00a0 cannot resolve the tension beyond the universal and the tribal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">And by now, I am increasingly certain that this gap cannot be bridged easily, if at all, for the tribal and universal are like water and oil.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">I guess that the difficulties involved in resolving the tension between the universal and the tribal explains why so many progressive Jews prefer to operate in intellectual, ideological and political exclusive \u2018Jews only\u2019 cells where these questions are never raised, never asked, and never answered.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">*Philip Weiss\u2019 words are published here with his full agreement and concession<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ccffff;\">\u00a0** Id- a slang name for a Jew, I guess that it comes from Yiddish. A Id-Yid is a Yiddish speaker.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gilad.co.uk\/writings\/gilad-atzmon-jews-their-self-interest-an-interview-with-phil.html\">Source <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gilad Atzmon talks to well- known  blogger  Philip Weiss<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":109,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[61,37],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28520","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-Commentary","category-Israel_Anti-Semitism_Zionism_and_US-UK_allies"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28520","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/109"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=28520"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28520\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28618,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28520\/revisions\/28618"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=28520"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=28520"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=28520"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}