{"id":283910,"date":"2024-03-19T07:44:29","date_gmt":"2024-03-19T07:44:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=283910"},"modified":"2024-03-20T09:15:22","modified_gmt":"2024-03-20T09:15:22","slug":"do-90-of-israeli-jews-support-genocide","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=283910","title":{"rendered":"Do 90% of Israeli Jews Support Genocide?"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Kevin Barrett \u2013 The Unz Review March 13, 2024<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p>Do more than 90% of Israeli Jews support the genocide of Gaza, i.e. the current \u201cmilitary operation\u201d? Richie Allen doesn\u2019t think so. During my appearance on his show yesterday he challenged me to cite polling data.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, no pollster in Israel will ever ask flat-out: \u201cDo you support the genocide of Gaza?\u201d Nor have any asked a more polite version of the same question: \u201cDo you support or oppose Israel\u2019s current military campaign in Gaza?\u201d (I argue that well over 90% would say they support it, while less than 10% would say they oppose it.)<\/p>\n<p>So we are going to have to extrapolate. Fortunately (though unfortunately for the Palestinians) this is an easy extrapolation. <em>Time<\/em>\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/time.com\/6333781\/israel-hamas-poll-palestine\/\">\u201cWhat Do Israelis Think of the War with Hamas?\u201d<\/a> includes the following paragraph:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Poll results were also hawkish when it came to the use of force in Gaza: 57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza, 36.6% said the IDF was using an appropriate amount of firepower, while just 1.8% said they believed the IDF was using too much fire power, while 4.2% said they weren\u2019t sure<\/p>\n<p>Let me repeat that. Fewer than 2% of Israeli Jews think the IDF is \u201cusing too much fire power\u201d in Gaza.<\/p>\n<p>Richie Allen might argue that those numbers may have changed since the poll was taken in November. But he would be grasping at straws. There is no evidence whatsoever of any significant change. Essentially nobody, I repeat nobody, in Israel is protesting against the IDF\u2019s wholesale massacre of Palestinians. The \u201cleft-wing\u201d Israelis are protesting Netanyahu\u2019s failure to get the Israeli hostages returned. But they are completely indifferent to the genocide of Gazans. In fact, \u201cindifferent\u201d is probably the wrong word. To the extent that any Israeli Jews are saying anything about Palestinian suffering and death, they are wildly celebrating it<\/p>\n<div align=\"center\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/QihoBuGRVwU?si=PzEPPDowweXrtcTg\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><br \/>\n&#8212;<\/div>\n<p>This poll wasn\u2019t an outlier. During a previous massacre of thousands of Gazan civilians, 2008\u2019s Operation Cast Lead, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.inss.org.il\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/systemfiles\/adkanENG11_4%20_corrected_Ben%20Meir.pdf\">\u201ca poll taken the day after the start of the operation showed 81 percent of the Israeli public supporting the operation, with only 12 percent opposed.\u201d<\/a> Since 20 percent of Israel\u2019s population are non-Jewish Arabs who disproportionately opposed the massacre, that means that virtually the entire Israeli Jewish population supported it. Polls during subsequent \u201cmowing the lawn\u201d operations gave similar results.So if fewer than 2% of Israeli Jews think the IDF is \u201cusing too much fire power\u201d in Gaza, does that mean that Israeli Jews, as a group, are raving genocidal lunatics that need to be dealt with in the same way that mad dogs are dealt with?<\/p>\n<p>That comparison is unfair\u2014to mad dogs. It is also unfair to some of the 140,000 or fewer Jewish Israelis (out of a total population of around 7 million) who, by way of thinking that Israel is \u201cusing too much fire power,\u201d may actually oppose the genocide that is being perpetrated in their name. God bless that minuscule minority of non-genocidal Israelis. As for the other 98%\u2026maybe the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast\">Jewish Autonomous Oblast<\/a> would make a good re-education facility.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">&#8212;<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Extract from my conversation with Richie Allen<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><strong>Going back to the days I was on radio in Spain, it is morally and it is wrong on every level to take hostages, regardless of who you are. We know what the IDF and the Israeli police have done to the people of Gaza for decades and decades: Reprehensible things, disgusting things, crimes against humanity. But two wrongs don\u2019t make a right. And keeping people for months, you know, in terror, because they must be terrified, the hostages. And never knowing when they\u2019re going to go home. That\u2019s wrong, Kevin. And I can\u2019t support that. I support the people of Palestine and their rights to their land, the right of return, all of that, pre-67. I know my history. I know Israel should not exist. Not legally. It has no legal basis, of course. It has no legitimacy in law internationally.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>But don\u2019t keep hostages. Don\u2019t do that. It\u2019s terribly wrong. I hear what you\u2019re saying, you know, that it\u2019s leverage, but you\u2019re describing human beings with loves, with families, with cares, with ambitions. You\u2019re describing them as leverage. They\u2019re not. They\u2019re human beings, Kevin.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well, yeah, that\u2019s a good point, Richie. But remember that Israel is holding 10,000 Palestinians hostages and it systematically practices torture on them and sexual abuse. Before October 7th, Israel was holding, at that point, 6,000 or however many thousands of Palestinian hostages. Now it\u2019s 10,000. So, if the Palestinians try to grab a few hundred hostages in order to get their own 10,000 plus hostages released..<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s true that in war, people have to do terrible things. And so the onus is on whoever starts the war. In this case, it was these genocidal lunatics who crossed the seas because they believe that their god gave them this land thousands of years ago. They have a many-thousand-year-old real estate deed, and it has apparently no statute of limitations on it. So they have the right to come over and massacre and expel the people who live there.<\/p>\n<p>So it\u2019s obvious who started this. And when a war is started, when they attack you, when somebody commits that gross of an evil, you have the right to fight back. You know, Richie, if some gangsters came and massacred members of your family, God forbid, and expelled you from your house, set up shop in your house, would you have the right to use force to get your house back? Family members are dead and others they\u2019re holding and torturing. Do you have the right to pick up a gun and go after them to get your house back?<\/p>\n<p>I say you do. I say if you don\u2019t pick up a gun and get your house back, you\u2019re committing a grave moral wrong. And anybody who isn\u2019t fighting Zionism with a gun right now is committing a grave moral wrong. And obviously that\u2019s the case for the direct victims of this, the Palestinians.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Well, I don\u2019t have any fight with Zionism, and I don\u2019t feel that I should be compelled to pick up a gun against an ideology. I\u2019ll use my my voice and my my journalism to\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>They\u2019re Antichrist, they\u2019re not just an ideology.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Well, we could be here all night discussing that. I don\u2019t agree with that characterisation of people. You know, like I said, I used to interview Zionists about these things. And while they were very extreme, ideologically extreme, there were still human beings raising children, you know, who believed.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>I interviewed Norman Finkelstein many times over the years, Kevin. For some reason, he doesn\u2019t return my emails these days, but that\u2019s fair enough. He might have a good reason as far as he\u2019s concerned. But Norman said to me once, he said, Richie, you see a lot of the children of Israel, not all of them, but see a lot of them as victims because from the moment they can talk and the moment they can understand what they\u2019re being told, they are told, you know, that the Arabs are evil and that God has given you, as you said, the right to be here. And that terrifies these kids effectively.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>So you\u2019re calling people, you know, the Antichrist. These are people, many of them, who\u2019ve been brought up within a cult, really, you could argue, a sect. And they\u2019re victims in some way, aren\u2019t they? That\u2019s a legitimate area of research, I think. What say you?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yes, I agree completely. I translated and published Laurent Guy\u00e9not\u2019s book <em>From Yahweh to Zion<\/em>, which is probably the best critical book ever written on Jewish identity politics and its connection to religious tradition. And the conclusion of that book is that the leaders of Judaism, even long before Zionism, some of those leaders abused their people and told them that the other groups of people around them were evil. \u201cSo go and smash their gods and steal their stuff and give it to Yahweh,\u201d meaning give it to the high priests of Yahweh, which are the people who organized the whole racket.<\/p>\n<p>The Jews are traumatized from a very early age. And we could get into what Sigmund Freud would say about the circumcision of newborns, but that certainly does leave a\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hang on there now. I was circumcised.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>So was I. And in any case, you know, the various kinds of psychological abuse and torture that are meted out in that tradition to make them a people (who shall dwell) apart, brainwashing children into believing that the goyim, all the other tribes, all the non-Jews, are out to get them.\u2014that creates a kind of mentality that ultimately leads perfectly nice individual people to become part of a group that is a tribal psychopath. That is,<a href=\"https:\/\/www.veteranstodayarchives.com\/2015\/02\/03\/psycho-israel\/\"> it\u2019s a tribe that treats other tribes or nations the way that a psychopathic individual treats other human beings<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>And so that\u2019s the problem we have. Yes, the vast majority of Zionists are basically decent people, but their group mentality is psychopathic.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I remember talking about this over the years, me being a history graduate. There are no moral grounds for Israel to exist. We could talk about Sykes-Picot, the Ottoman Empire, what the British and French did. Obviously the Balfour Declaration. But it\u2019s only this biblical thing that is their case, really. Golda Meir once said, this country exists as the accomplishment of a promise made by God himself. It would be absurd to call its legitimacy into account. And he\u2019s channeling God\u2019s alleged, what did God say? \u201cUnto thy seed have I given this land from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the Euphrates.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>But let me read you this from Fred: \u201cKevin is exaggerating about the number of Israelis wanting to rid the world of the Palestinians. I lived there in 1981 as a kibbutz volunteer. And yes, there are a lot who want to get rid of the Palestinians, but I wouldn\u2019t say even 50%. You know, he\u2019s wrong. He\u2019s exaggerating,\u201d says Fred. And then Fred says \u201cKevin is right that the massacres will only get worse once the hostages are freed because the IDF won\u2019t have to worry about killing them.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Fred spent time in a kibbutz He said, no way is every Israeli or is most of them or are most of them wanting to kill the Palestinians. That\u2019s his opinion.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well, I think he\u2019s right about the 1980s. But there\u2019s been a real change in Israel since then. Israel\u2019s been taken over by these ultra extremist lunatics. Now, I think the governments in the 80s and before were really nearly as evil as the current government. But they were much better at hiding it. And they talked a different talk. And so public opinion in Israel was very, very different then than it is today.<\/p>\n<p>And part of the issue has been demographics. The liberal elites in Israel are having very few children, very small families, while the more radical elements are having the larger families. And that\u2019s one of the factors that\u2019s driven the rise of Likud. They\u2019re the heirs of Jabotinsky, the ultra-terrorist lunatic. Basically the whole world considered this guy one of the worst terrorists of all time.<\/p>\n<p>But now the party that\u2019s been ruling Israel for decades is the party of Jabotinsky. And now even crazier people are in the coalition with that party. And that has conditioned public opinion in Israel.<\/p>\n<p>And I think the other thing that he misses is that \u2014 since October 7th, you know, it rhymes with September 11th, and, as you know, shortly after September 11th, if you took a poll in America: \u201cShould we go, kill all the Arabs or kill all the Muslims?\u201d you would have gotten a surprising number of people saying yes. Because there is this kind of shock effect when the country is attacked that could lead people to kind of get into that kind of mentality.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you remember the Howard Stern show on the morning of September the 11th? I remember it well. I was working in radio in Waterford in Ireland and some of the lads who worked there were fond of Stern. So they would get in the mail, they would receive tapes of Stern\u2019s shows, because the internet wasn\u2019t such a big thing. You couldn\u2019t download radio. So about a week or so after we got the tapes from Stern\u2019s show, Stern was basically advocating going in and wiping everybody out on the day.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>So you\u2019re right. It does tend to stimulate that sort of talk. \u201cYeah, let\u2019s kill them all.\u201d You\u2019re right, Kevin. I\u2019ll give you that. Yeah. Okay.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>And the current government has encouraged that and stoked it and kept it at that kind of level. So I do think that Fred really should take a look at the polls. I\u2019ll find some and send them to you, Richie. And I will eat my proverbial hat if fewer than 90% of Israeli Jews don\u2019t support this genocide and if the majority don\u2019t want to make it worse.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I\u2019m not being stubborn when I say I don\u2019t believe it. I\u2019m not calling you a liar. I know you\u2019re not a liar. I\u2019ve known you for years. When you claim that you\u2019ve seen or read something, you\u2019ve never left me down. So I\u2019m not calling you a liar. I do not believe in their hearts that they want to get rid of the Palestinians. Not so many of them. I\u2019d be a fool to think that none of them do. I think they obviously do. But look, I won\u2019t\u2026I\u2019ll give you the final word on that.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.com\/donate?token=1akan-U6Il083iGi339SbXKrEhJ-L5n-g9vaydLg5-T2Wx8SxoVGArNLVEp7PUxM_hY9yk-bxTwx25_i\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-175417 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2002\/10\/donate-pp.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"225\" height=\"80\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.unz.com\/kbarrett\/do-90-of-israeli-jews-support-genocide\/\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>They may not agree with his domestic policies or with Netanyahu\u2019s refusal to enter into negotiations over the hostages. 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