{"id":257206,"date":"2022-08-09T07:33:45","date_gmt":"2022-08-09T07:33:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=257206"},"modified":"2022-08-11T05:44:40","modified_gmt":"2022-08-11T05:44:40","slug":"part-2-the-steve-kirsch-debate-on-the-existence-of-the-virus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=257206","title":{"rendered":"Part 2: The Steve Kirsch debate on the existence of the virus"},"content":{"rendered":"

Jon Rapporport \u2013 jonrapporport.substack.com Aug 8, 2022<\/strong><\/h1>\n

I\u2019m moving on from Part 1<\/a> into a completely different area.<\/p>\n

There is lab work in the sciences that crucially affects populations. Two examples: virologists claiming they\u2019ve isolated SARS-CoV-2; and researchers deciding they\u2019ve found a way to adapt RNA technology to produce a COVID vaccine.<\/p>\n

In the first case, the purported discovery of SARS-CoV-2 enabled the launch of the global pandemic announcement, which eventually led to the lockdowns and the crashing of economies. In the second case, the RNA-vaccine \u201cbreakthrough\u201d led to the vaccination of billions of people, and massive numbers of injuries and deaths.<\/p>\n

These are crucial effects, to say the least.<\/p>\n

And yet, those on the outside, who have no access to these labs AS THE WORK IS BEING DONE, those who are independent scientists and analysts and can only read the studies once they are published—<\/p>\n

—This is an unconscionable situation, when you stop and think about it.<\/p>\n

The whole world is changed by the research, but we can\u2019t watch it IN PROGRESS.<\/p>\n

People have been brainwashed into thinking this lack of access to labs is normal. Standard. Non-official persons entering these labs and tracking the work step by step would amount to a criminal invasion. That\u2019s what we\u2019re supposed to believe:<\/p>\n

\u201cJust accept our statements about our findings and shut up and obey.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cWe\u2019re the pros. You\u2019re the idiots.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cWe\u2019re certified. You\u2019re the guinea pigs.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cCall security, call the FBI, call DHS, terrorists are trying to break into our lab.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cThis is a holy sanctum, anointed by God. You\u2019re a mortal sinner.\u201d<\/p>\n

Here\u2019s my kind of debate on the existence of SARS-Cov-2. Here\u2019s my bottom, bottom line.<\/p>\n

Virologists are compelled to replicate, in the lab, the so-called discovery of SARS-CoV-2. An outside team of truly independent scientists and journalists is present.<\/p>\n

So is a camera crew. With many cameras. And many mics.<\/p>\n

The team watches every single move the virologists make. Any member of the team can stop the work and ask a question or criticize a move.<\/p>\n

The questions and answers and the criticisms and replies are all recorded. Ditto for every action the virologists take.<\/p>\n

THIS is a REAL debate. The most real debate.<\/p>\n

\u201cWait. That\u2019s ridiculous. You can\u2019t expect these highly trained virologists to submit themselves to this kind of\u2026inspection.\u201d<\/p>\n

Of course I can.<\/p>\n

For example: Our team member in the lab says, \u201cAll right, you\u2019re observing that the monkey cells and the human cells in this soup you\u2019ve created are dying off. You claim the killer must be \u2018the virus\u2019 in the patient\u2019s tissue sample—the sample you dropped in the soup. You claim nothing else in the soup could be killing the cells. So let me ask you this? Where is the control experiment?\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cThe what?\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cThe control. My, my. You really forgot about that?\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cI don\u2019t understand. Turn off the cameras.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cLeave them on, boys. This is interesting. Let me explain, Dr. High Horse. You should have a second dish of soup that is absolutely identical to the first dish, except the second dish does NOT contain the tissue sample from a patient. You also keep an eye on that second dish and see whether the monkey cells and the human cells in it die off. If they do\u2026then your contention that \u2018the virus\u2019 in the patient sample is killing those cells is worthless. And you have no evidence your virus is in the patient sample. Or that it exists.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cOh. Well\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cWell, what? You don\u2019t mean to say all those virologists in all those labs who claimed they found the new virus omitted the control experiment, do you?\u201d<\/p>\n

YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. THAT KIND OF INVESTIGATION.<\/p>\n

On camera, in the lab, in person.<\/p>\n

\u201cThat would never happen. They would never let you in there.\u201d<\/p>\n

Which proves what? I\u2019m just stating what the MOST REAL DEBATE WOULD CONSIST OF, in a half-sane world. It would look exactly like that.<\/p>\n

Here\u2019s a parallel for you. A civilian no one ever heard of develops a car he says runs on water<\/a>. He says he\u2019s got a new process that VERY cheaply splits the water into hydrogen and oxygen, and the car runs on the hydrogen.<\/p>\n

Over years and decades, the legend grows. Finally, major media are starting to nibble around the edges of the story.<\/p>\n

So one day, a bunch of Saudis and oil execs and scientists and men in suits show up at this man\u2019s garage, and express great interest in his work. THEY REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHETHER THIS CRAZY GUY HAS STUMBLED ON A REVOLUTIONARY WAY TO POWER A CAR.<\/p>\n

So what would they ask him to do?<\/p>\n

See, they\u2019re the outsiders with no access, and he\u2019s the insider.<\/p>\n

Are they just going to ask him for assurances?<\/p>\n

Hell no. They\u2019re going to ask him to take the engine apart and put it back together again. They\u2019re going to ask him to take the fuel system apart and put it back together again. They\u2019re going to want to go through his whole car and his garage and his kitchen and his bathroom with a fine-toothed comb. BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS SITUATION, SINCE IT COULD AFFECT THE FUTURE OF CIVILIZATION, AND THEIR PROFITS, AND SO ON.<\/p>\n

They\u2019re not screwing around.<\/p>\n

And neither should we.<\/p>\n

Our lives and futures and the lives of future generations are on the line with this \u201cvirus thing.\u201d<\/p>\n

We should be looking at every beaker and tube and slide and instrument in the virology lab. We should be looking over the shoulders of the virologists and watching every move they make and asking pointed questions and demanding answers.<\/p>\n

So we really know whether they\u2019re doing science or preposterous bullshit.<\/p>\n

And of course we wouldn\u2019t be paying attention to random assurances from \u201chighly qualified and respected scientists\u201d along the way. We\u2019d be studiously ignoring them.<\/p>\n

If you need another parallel to the real kind of investigation I\u2019m demanding, think of bringing a team into the Vatican and inspecting every inch of space in every building, including the basements and caverns\u2026to see what\u2019s really there. The whole enchilada.<\/p>\n

All right, you get the idea. You see what I\u2019m asking for.<\/p>\n

Now, short of that, what do we have? What can we get access to?<\/p>\n

Well, it\u2019s not entirely reliable, but here it is:<\/p>\n

We can read published studies which claim to have found SARS-CoV-2. Those studies all have methods sections. In them, the researchers describe, step by step, what they did to \u201cisolate the virus.\u201d<\/p>\n

We have that.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m now going to republish one of those methods sections, chunk by chunk, and have Dr. Andrew Kaufman<\/a> make his criticisms as we go along. I published all this about a year ago<\/a>.<\/p>\n

I want to emphasize that Dr. Kaufman\u2019s analysis should be just the beginning of highly detailed analyses of these methods sections, from a number of other independent critics. We need much more of this.<\/p>\n

The devil is in the details.<\/p>\n

Here we go:<\/p>\n

I found several studies that used very similar language in explaining how \u201cSARS-CoV-2 was isolated.\u201d For example<\/a>, “Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 from Patient with Coronavirus Disease, United States, (Emerging Infectious Diseases, Vol. 26, No. 6 — June 2020)”<\/em>.<\/p>\n

STUDY: \u201cWe used Vero CCL-81 cells for isolation and initial passage [in the soup in the lab]\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

KAUFMAN: \u201cVero cells are foreign cells from the kidneys of monkeys and a source of contamination. Virus particles should be purified directly from clinical samples in order to prove the virus actually exists. Isolation means separation from everything else. So how can you separate\/isolate a virus when you add it to something else?\u201d<\/p>\n

STUDY: \u201c\u2026We cultured Vero E6, Vero CCL-81, HUH 7.0, 293T, A549, and EFKB3 cells in Dulbecco minimal essential medium (DMEM) supplemented with heat-inactivated fetal bovine serum (5% or 10%)\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

KAUFMAN: \u201cWhy use minimal essential media, which provides incomplete nutrition [to the cells]? Fetal bovine serum is a source of foreign genetic material and extracellular vesicles, which are indistinguishable from viruses.\u201d<\/p>\n

STUDY: \u201c\u2026We used both NP and OP swab specimens for virus isolation. For isolation, limiting dilution, and passage 1 of the virus, we pipetted 50 \u03bcL of serum-free DMEM into columns 2\u201312 of a 96-well tissue culture plate, then pipetted 100 \u03bcL of clinical specimens into column 1 and serially diluted 2-fold across the plate\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

KAUFMAN: \u201cOnce again, misuse of the word isolation.\u201d<\/p>\n

STUDY: \u201c\u2026We then trypsinized and resuspended Vero cells in DMEM containing 10% fetal bovine serum, 2\u00d7 penicillin\/streptomycin, 2\u00d7 antibiotics\/antimycotics, and 2\u00d7 amphotericin B at a concentration of 2.5 \u00d7 105 cells\/mL\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

KAUFMAN: \u201cTrypsin is a pancreatic enzyme that digests proteins. Wouldn\u2019t that cause damage to the cells and particles in the culture which have proteins on their surfaces, including the so called spike protein?\u201d<\/p>\n

KAUFMAN: \u201cWhy are antibiotics added? Sterile technique is used for the culture. Bacteria may be easily filtered out of the clinical sample by commercially available filters (GIBCO). Finally, bacteria may be easily seen under the microscope and would be readily identified if they were contaminating the sample. The specific antibiotics used, streptomycin and amphotericin (aka \u2018ampho-terrible\u2019), are toxic to the kidneys and we are using kidney cells in this experiment! Also note they are used at \u20182X\u2019 concentration, which appears to be twice the normal amount. These will certainly cause damage to the Vero cells.\u201d<\/p>\n

STUDY: \u201c\u2026We added [not<\/em><\/strong> isolated<\/em>] 100 \u03bcL of cell suspension directly to the clinical specimen dilutions and mixed gently by pipetting. We then grew the inoculated cultures in a humidified 37\u00b0C incubator in an atmosphere of 5% CO2 and observed for cytopathic effects (CPEs) daily. We used standard plaque assays for SARS-CoV-2, which were based on SARS-CoV and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) protocols…\u201d<\/p>\n

STUDY: \u201cWhen CPEs were observed, we scraped cell monolayers with the back of a pipette tip\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

KAUFMAN: \u201cThere was no negative control experiment described. Control experiments are required for a valid interpretation of the results. Without that, how can we know if it was the toxic soup of antibiotics, minimal nutrition, and dying tissue from a sick person which caused the cellular damage or a phantom virus? A proper control would consist of the same exact experiment except that the clinical specimen should come from a person with illness unrelated to covid, such as cancer, since that would not contain a virus.\u201d<\/p>\n

STUDY: \u201c\u2026We used 50 \u03bcL of viral lysate for total nucleic acid extraction for confirmatory testing and sequencing. We also used 50 \u03bcL of virus lysate to inoculate a well of a 90% confluent 24-well plate.\u201d<\/p>\n

KAUFMAN: \u201cHow do you confirm something that was never previously shown to exist? What did you compare the genetic sequences to? How do you know the origin of the genetic material since it came from a cell culture containing material from humans and all their microflora, fetal cows, and monkeys?\u201d<\/p>\n

—end of study quotes and Kaufman analysis—<\/p>\n

Readers who are unfamiliar with my work (over 500 articles<\/a> on the subject of the \u201cpandemic\u201d during the past two and a half plus years) will ask: Then why are people dying? What about the huge number of cases and deaths? I have answered these and other questions in great detail. The subject of this article is: have researchers proved SARS-CoV-2 exists?<\/p>\n

The answer is no.<\/p>\n

As I stated, Dr. Kaufman\u2019s analysis should be just the beginning of intense and detailed examination of studies that describe \u201chow the virus was isolated.\u201d<\/p>\n

As opposed to a few hours of Zoom debate in which people summarize their opposing positions, and then submit to a vote from a panel of judges who descend from the sky with motives as pure as Superman and Wonder Woman. All this happens with Steve Kirsch<\/a> in the background holding a million dollar prize<\/a>. In Vegas, Steve would be called the house. And the house always wins.<\/p>\n

No dice.<\/p>\n

— Jon Rappoport<\/p>\n

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