{"id":23242,"date":"2011-03-30T15:13:07","date_gmt":"2011-03-30T15:13:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=23242"},"modified":"2011-04-01T08:24:50","modified_gmt":"2011-04-01T08:24:50","slug":"taking-apart-deborah-lipstadt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=23242","title":{"rendered":"Taking Apart Deborah Lipstadt"},"content":{"rendered":"<h4 style=\"text-align: center;\">Gilad Atzmon \u2013 March 30, 2011<\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">In a <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.tabletmag.com\/news-and-politics\/62585\/trial-and-error\/comment-page-1\/#comment-1061799\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><strong>recent article<\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">,\u00a0 <em>Shoa-<\/em>logist Deborah Lipstadt\u00a0 attempts to reinstate her argument against historical revisionism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Lipstadt\u00a0 is clearly opposing holocaust deniers whom she also identifies as anti Semites, yet, she fails to define what denial means. She also comes short of suggesting what anti Semitism stands for. I guess that\u00a0for Lipstadt, \u00a0\u2018deniers\u2019 are those who insist that our past must be revisited, scrutinised and be told from different perspectives. People who hold such views are usually called historical revisionists or simply historians.\u00a0 Yet, historical revisionists are clearly perceived by Lipstadt as anti Semites &#8212; I guess that for Lipstadt\u00a0, those who dare touch or fiddle with the Jewish past are nothing less than enemies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">The \u2018deniers\u2019, according to Lipstdat, are a lively \u00a0movement that is working vigorously to \u201cdistort history and inculcate anti-Semitism\u201d.\u00a0 Yet, it is far from being clear how anyone can \u2018distort history\u2019, for history is not a singular set of facts laid down and dictated by one group of people alone. Rather it is an attempt to transform the past into a story aspire to as full a narrative as is possible, drawn from as many points of view and from as wide a body of research as is available.\u00a0 History is an attempt then, to build a narrative.\u00a0 Different people should be entitled to\u00a0hold different perspectives of\u00a0their past.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Seemingly, Lipstdat\u00a0 is not happy with it all. She wants the chapter known as the holocaust to become a meta-historical impenetrable narrative. It is not clear to me and to a growing number of academics, artists and ordinary people, why Jewish academics and institutions\u00a0 are so afraid of this particular chapter in history being looked-at and discussed freely.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">For some peculiar reason Lipstadt regards herself as a \u2018scholar\u2019, yet her engagement with the subject matter is far from being scholarly oriented. Her reading of the Nazi era is utterly embarrassing&#8211; for instance, she says \u201chad the world taken Nazi anti-Semitism more seriously from the outset of the rise of the Third Reich the subsequent tragedy might have been quite different.\u201d \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">But seems as if the world did actually react very seriously to Nazi anti Semitism &#8212; It basically followed the Nazi agenda. America and Britain closed their gates to Jews, leaving\u00a0 European Jewish refugees to face their fate. Even the Zionists failed to do much to save their European brothers and sisters.\u00a0 It is also clear that the Nazis would not have succeeded in their ethnic cleansing project unless they had been assisted by European communities, governments, and even \u00a0by Jewish institutions. It seems as if the Nazis were not \u00a0the \u2018only anti Semites;\u2019 they were just more open about it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Lipstadt\u2019s ignorance knows no limits. She continues, \u201cin the 1930s and 1940s, of course, observers\u2014and the potential victims\u2014could not fathom where Hitler and his cohort\u2019s anti-Semitism might lead.\u201d I guess that the Jewish \u2018historian\u2019 doesn\u2019t really know that in the 1930\u2019s and the early 1940\u2019s \u2018Hitler and his cohort\u2019 also didn\u2019t know themselves where they were aiming\u2019. We do know that they wanted a Germany free of Jews &#8212; and this is, indeed, pretty outrageous. Yet, it is not that different from the vast majority of Israelis, who want a Palestine that is free of Palestinians.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Lipstadt is convinced that the \u2018deniers\u2019 are motivated by \u201chatred of Jews and their desire to do them harm\u201d. But the truth of the matter is slightly embarrassing &#8212; Historical revisionism is a growing body of knowledge. It doesn\u2019t claim to address \u2018the Jewish question\u2019, nor does it offer any political agenda, and neither does it call to harm Jews. However, one may note that rather too often we come across Jewish institutional calls to harm, and even to destroy Arabs and Muslims. I would then, expect Lipstadt to be consistent, and to stand against her own brothers\u2019 and sisters\u2019 genocidal inclinations. But clearly, integrity is not something you should expect from a Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">When it becomes clear that Lipstadt has nothing clever to say about the subject (or maybe any subject) she pulls the rabbit out of her hat, or should we say,\u00a0 she pulls Ahmadinejad out of her wig.\u00a0 \u201cDuring the past five years we have heard a stream of Holocaust denial, overt anti-Semitism, and threats against Israel emanate from the mouth of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad\u2026 Ahmadinejad\u2019s Holocaust denial is linked directly to his animus toward Israel.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">And this is where Jewish past, present and future are wrapped together into a\u00a0 collective meaning that appears totally\u00a0 impervious to reason, ethics or humanity. It is obviously clear that those who oppose Israeli barbarism may, at a certain stage, look at the Zionist\u2019s <em>raison d&#8217;\u00eatre, <\/em>namely the holocaust<em><strong>.<\/strong><\/em> It is obviously natural for those who detest Israeli lies to scrutinise every Israeli or Jewish narrative \u2013 And the question is, what is so wrong with doing so? Why are Jews, or at least some Jews, horrified by the idea that others might be suspicious of aspects of their historical narratives? Why is it so difficult for\u00a0 Lipstadt to accept that Ahmadinejad opposes Israel, and also, questions aspects of the Jewish past? \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">\u201cIn 2009\u201d, Says Lipstadt, \u201cafter questioning the existence of the Holocaust, he (Ahmadinejad) declared it was a ploy used by the Jews to get the West to accede to the creation of Israel.\u201d\u00a0 Again, isn\u2019t it a scholarly and legitimate question on behalf of\u00a0 Ahmadinejad?\u00a0 Are not the holocaust and the foundation of the Jewish State \u00a0inherently linked?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">But &#8212; Don\u2019t you worry, it is not Ahmadinejad alone whom the Yeshiva Scholar hates. \u201cEgypt\u2019s Gamal Abdel Nasser spoke of the lie of the 6 million Jews\u2026 Spokesmen for Hamas have also engaged in Holocaust denial. Holocaust denial themes can be found in newspapers in many parts of the Arab world, including in Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Even\u00a0 Mahmoud Abbas was a \u2018denier\u2019 according to the\u00a0 Shoa genius,\u00a0 \u201cas a young student, (Abbas) wrote a dissertation that was pure denial.\u201d\u00a0 But guess what, Abbas doesn\u2019t have to worry; Lipsdat has forgiven him already. He (Abbas) \u201csubsequently repudiated his view\u201d and Lipstadt \u201cfully believes his repudiation.\u201d At least, Lipstadt is flexible enough to amend her \u2018academic\u2019 views so they \u00a0fit into the current Israeli political agenda.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">I guess that it would make sense to argue that Lipstadt is continuing to fight what is by now a lost battle. Our past is not a Jewish property . When I read Lipstadt\u2019s \u00a0pseudo academic diatribe, I am convinced that aspects of the Zionist view of history must continue to be scrutinised and debated, for\u00a0history cannot be handled or censored by any form of Yeshiva scholarship, for Yeshiva ideology is the complete opposite of Western spirit,\u00a0 intellectual debate and openness.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Lipstadt\u00a0 asserts, \u201cseventy years ago people had an acceptable reason to say, \u2018We could never fathom that Hitler meant what he said.\u2019 Today we no longer have that luxury. At the very least it behooves us to take Ahmadinejad and those among his fellow Muslim leaders and opinion-makers seriously.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Seemingly Lipstadt urges Western leaders to dismantle\u00a0 Iran and other Muslim countries\u00a0 in the name of the history she doesn\u2019t allow them to\u00a0 revise or scrutinise. I guess that for the sake of world peace, it is necessary to expose people like Lipstadt<em><strong> <\/strong><\/em>\u00a0and her cohort.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">In her final paragraph <em><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/em>Lipstadt seems to find out\u00a0 what is wrong with the revisionists,\u00a0\u00a0 \u201ctheir Holocaust denial is part of their contemporary political agenda.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">In psychological terminology, the above is defined as projection &#8212; Lipstadt projects her own symptoms on historical revisionists. It is obviously clear that Lipstadt\u2019s \u2018holocaust evangelism\u2019 is there to serve\u00a0her own Zio-centric political agenda.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">The question you may want to ask yourself at this stage is, for how long will we let Yeshiva supremacist Ideology determine our vision of our past? I myself believe that time is ripe to say NO to Jewish Ideology and politics. Enough is certainly enough.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">\u201cEven sexual relationship is a source of Joy\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Learn more about Jewish Scholarship:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"640\" height=\"390\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/rhROsMZPtiU?fs=1&amp;hl=en_GB&amp;rel=0\" \/><param name=\"allowfullscreen\" value=\"true\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"640\" height=\"390\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/rhROsMZPtiU?fs=1&amp;hl=en_GB&amp;rel=0\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\"><\/embed><\/object><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gilad.co.uk\/writings\/gilad-atzmon-taking-deborah-lipstadt-apart.html\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In psychological terminology Lipstadt projects her own symptoms on historical revisionists. It is clear that Lipstadt\u2019s \u2018holocaust evangelism\u2019 is there to serve her own Zio-centric political agenda<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":109,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[15,37],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-23242","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-Hidden_and_Revisionist_History","category-Israel_Anti-Semitism_Zionism_and_US-UK_allies"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23242","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/109"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=23242"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23242\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":23324,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23242\/revisions\/23324"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=23242"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=23242"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=23242"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}