{"id":20815,"date":"2011-02-24T07:55:37","date_gmt":"2011-02-24T07:55:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=20815"},"modified":"2013-06-15T06:44:56","modified_gmt":"2013-06-15T06:44:56","slug":"77-what-went-bang","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=20815","title":{"rendered":"7\/7: What Went Bang?"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Nick Kollerstrom \u2013 Terror on the Tube February 12, 2011<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><em>Something<\/em> ripped apart the train coaches on July 7th, leaving splattered blood, loose limbs, twisted steel and derailed coaches \u2013 but, what? And, can the British public really be so gullible as to believe the government\u2019s story about peroxide (boiled up in a saucepan) and black pepper?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">The 7\/7 Inquest has been hearing from forensic experts who are prepared to swear on oath and keep a straight face while discussing how a hitherto unheard-of mix of black pepper and hydrogen peroxide blew up trains and a bus on July 7<sup>th<\/sup>, 2005. (Earlier, in 2008, senior government analyst Clifford Todd had previously told the Kingston July 7<sup>th<\/sup> trial that the devices were \u2018unique in the UK and possibly in the whole world\u2019 because no-one had heard of this explosive being used before<sup>12<\/sup> and he reiterated this at the Inquest (<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk\/hearing_transcripts\/01022011pm.htm\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">Feb 1,pm, 67:1-4<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">).<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">An Unheard-of Bomb<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Concerning the Tavistock Square blast, the <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk\/hearing_transcripts\/02022011am.htm\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong>Inquest was told<\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">\u201cChemical analysis of the debris suggests that the main charge used did not consist of any previously seen compositions\u2026 In the absence of chemical traces of other high performance military explosives and based on the physical damage done to the bus, it is not unreasonable to reach the conclusion that the main explosive charge consisted of a novel, improvised material previously unseen by this laboratory.\u201d (Feb 2 am, 56:14-19)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">by Kim Simpson, at the Government\u2019s Forensic Explosives Laboratory at Sevenoaks. \u00a0Thus, after extensive laboratory analysis and detective-work, a professional forensic analyst could not say what exploded \u2013 it was something unknown to her laboratory. But, she did claim to have detected a trace of \u2018piperine\u2019 in the bus (found in black pepper), and she conjectured: \u00a0\u201dThe main charge was most probably a novel mixture comprising concentrated hydrogen peroxide together with additional compounds, which may have included a piperine-containing ingredient.\u201d\u00a0 (2 Feb am 59:6-9)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">At the Inquest, no government expert ever affirmed that a mix of black pepper and peroxide would go bang. Instead, five years after the event, we were merely told that the explosive was \u2018most probably a novel mixture.\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">At Russell Square<\/span>, \u2018none was found, no traces of HMTD or TATP or, indeed, any other explosive was found\u2019.\u00a0 (48: 21-23\u00a0 Feb 1<sup>st<\/sup> pm)\u00a0 (55:12-14) \u2018At Russell Square, no parts of an initiator were found and, as you said earlier, neither were any traces of HMTD\u2019 \u2013 Hugo Keith.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">At Edgware Road,<\/span> \u2018the standard test for organic explosives proved to be negative (51:21-22)\u2026 \u00a0and in no case did we find any\u00a0 (52:10-11) trace of conventional high explosives\u2019.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">At Aldgate:<\/span> Q: There were analyses carried out as to whether or not the piperine substance could be found at the scene, but were your conclusions inconclusive in that regard?\u00a0 \u00a0A. That\u2019s right, we tried to see if we could find that and, in the end, we weren\u2019t successful, so we couldn\u2019t draw any conclusion from that.\u00a0 (51:20-25)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">We\u2019d all been told \u2013 or thought we had \u2013 that the explosive brewed up by the \u2018suicide bombers\u2019 had been found in the car in Luton car-park, and also in the bath at Alexandra Grove, Beeston. If so, there would have been ample opportunity to analyse it. The Inquest <em>did not hear<\/em> of any chemical analysis here performed, which identified what had gone bang! Had those compounds really existed then we would surely have had their chemical composition analysed \u2013 and reported. The conjectured explosive used would not have kept mutating over the years as if new fashions could replace the old. If perchance a peroxide-based explosive had been found then the one analytic detail we\u2019d require to be told is its % concentration.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">The Inquest did hear Mr Todd affirm that: \u2018Our first analysis on some materials from Alexandra Grove showed us the presence of a material called piperine. It later transpires that that is simply something that is contained within black pepper.\u2019 So, they found some black pepper. But also, it heard of \u2018the detonator\u2019 as a white powder being identified:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">\u201cQ: \u2018Did you undertake investigation of what that white powder was?<br \/>\nA. We did, and that was HMTD, which is a particular \u2014 a very sensitive high explosive, it can be manufactured relatively easily from readily available materials\u201d. \u2013 Cliffod Todd (Feb 1<sup>st<\/sup> pm, 40: 8-12)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">HMTD is a <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/business.fortunecity.com\/executive\/674\/hmtd.html\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong>very unstable explosive<\/strong><\/span>,<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> detonated by many things including friction. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">TATP (2005 \u2013 2007) Fades Away<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">For several years after the event, the experts had averred that a volatile substance called TATP had blown up the trains and was therefore what the four young men had carried down south in their rucksacks. TATP (Tri-acetone tri-peroxide) is white. <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/terroronthetube.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/BathAlex.jpg\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">It was in the bath<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">, newspapers reported<sup>6<\/sup>. Also, it had been <em>left behind<\/em> in the car park at Luton.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> \u2018Preliminary analysis\u2019 had found \u2018traces of TATP\u2019 both at the site in Leeds, according to the prestigious<em> Jane\u2019s Defence Weekly<\/em>, on 22<sup>nd<\/sup> July, 2005<sup>8 <\/sup>and at the sites of the explosions: that analysis <em>linked together<\/em> the London bombs with the Leeds plotters. Military experts around the world would have read this. On 26<sup>th<\/sup> July, ABC News released a sequence of images of what had, it claimed, been found in the Luton car-park, and they clearly showed a <em>white <\/em>substance<sup>9<\/sup>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">By the time of the 2008 Kingston trial, all that had vanished without a trace \u00a0\u2013 just like TATP evaporating on a summer\u2019s day.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">If we go back to the \u2018Official Report\u2019 of 2006 on the London bombings, the Home Office\u2019s official narrative, all it told us concerning the ingredients, one year after the event, was: \u2018Forensic analysis of material taken from Alexandra Grove continues\u2019 \u2013 i.e., it was not prepared to comment on what explosives might have been found there. Three years later, Andy Hayman\u2019s book \u2018<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/terroronthetube.co.uk\/reviews-2\/the-terrorist-hunters-by-andy-hayman\/\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong>The Terrorist Hunters\u2019<\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong> <\/strong><\/span>\u2013 impounded upon publication on a High Court order, on the grounds that it disclosed \u2018too much\u2019 \u2013 merely said that on July 12<sup>th<\/sup> a \u2018thick bubbling yellow liquid\u2019 was found in the bath at Alexandra Grove with an \u2018unbearable rotting stench\u2019 and no hint as to what it was: pure school pantomime.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">At the so-called \u2018bomb factory at 18, Alexandra Grove in Leeds, pictures of the bath has <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk\/evidence\/docs\/INQ9556-4.pdf\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">been shown<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">, <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/uk\/home-news\/77-inquest-shown-pictures-of-bomb-factory-2201187.html\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong>at the Inquest<\/strong><\/span>,<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> containing some sandy compound.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Clifford Todd stated on oath, concerning the explosives found, that he there found two types of brown sludge, one darker and not explosive, and \u2018the lighter, sandy-coloured material, that was shown, in at least one specific case, to be a high explosive.\u2019 (39:25 Feb 1, pm) We waited for the barrister to ask him of what the high explosive was made \u2013 but, he didn\u2019t. He never said that his lab had analysed an explosive made of peroxide and black pepper.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Kilograms of black pepper must somehow have been purchased!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">\u201cQ. Some of the witnesses who searched at the flat describe the smell and odour that was there, a bleach-like odour, is that right?\u00a0\u00a0\ufffd<br \/>\nA. Yes.<br \/>\nQ. And a pepper smell from \u2014 clearly from the many bags of pepper that were used?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">The Early Story<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">The TATP story replaced the early accounts from real forensic experts who found that\u00a0traces of military explosive \u2018C4\u2019 had been found at the crime scenes<sup>2,3,4 <\/sup>plus evidence of timed detonators<sup>1<\/sup> \u2013 i.e there would have been no suicide bombers because the military explosive (made in NATO laboratories and definitely not in a bath in Leeds) was exploded by timed detonators. The latter would explain why the three tube blasts went off within 52 seconds of each other. That story lasted about a week, then unaccountably faded away once the Leeds suicide-bomber story developed<sup>5<\/sup>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Maybe the police got tired of being asked how four young men with no known\u00a0 interest in chemistry or bomb-making could have mixed together strong sulphuric acid, acetone and strong hydrogen peroxide very slowly in a refrigerated fume-cupboard, to make the TATP.\u00a0 The great advantage of TATP was that it transformed upon detonation entirely into gases without burning, so it left no residue, it was pure blast with no heat or light \u2013 so no-one could expect to find traces of it around the crime scenes. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Once the 7\/7 trial came along in the summer of 2008, all trace of the TATP story had gone \u2013 to be replaced by the joke about black pepper. Like the zombie programmed characters in the film <em>The Matrix,<\/em> none of the British media objected. A proper detective agency would have wanted a chemical analysis of what was claimed as an explosive, whether in a car in Luton car-park or a bath in Alexandra grove \u2013 <em>signed by a professional chemist<\/em>, and stating what was found. That is what is here most notably lacking. A proper detective agency would need info about the <em>blast pressure ratio<\/em> which experts infer from the crime scene, because different types of explosive create a more or less intense shock wave upon detonation. It\u2019s not rocket science.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">We might at least expect <em>The Observer<\/em> to register some perturbation, after all on July the 17<sup>th<\/sup> it had reported that <em>22 lbs<\/em> of TATP (tri-acetone tri-peroxide) had been found in the said bath at Alexander Grove<sup>6<\/sup>. Did that just fade away like a dream? It seems so. TATP is quite volatile, in the heat of the summer it would tend to evaporate, which was presumably the point of the ice cubes the Four were meant to have taken with them \u2013 so we would expect any TATP made to be<span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong> <\/strong><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/postmanpatel.blogspot.com\/2007\/01\/spot-fridge-win-million-pounds-lord.html\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong>stored in the fridge<\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong> <\/strong><\/span>not left in a bath.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> You don\u2019t need a degree in chemistry to figure out that buying 17% peroxide from a \u2018hydroponics\u2019 shop will not enable you to concentrate it to <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.drinkh2o2.com\/#purifying-hydrogen-peroxide\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">an explosive level<\/span><\/strong>.<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> 90% peroxide may be rocket fuel, but can you make it? Only a British journalist would believe that boiling \u2018liquid oxygen growth promoter\u2019 (ie 17% peroxide) in a saucepan will concentrate it up an explosive-blast level. Quite the contrary: and, one is more likely to concentrate the peroxide by freezing, where water will freeze out <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/z13.invisionfree.com\/julyseventh\/index.php?showtopic=69&amp;st=361\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">before the peroxide<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> \u2013but, that has never been a part of the Alexandra Grove story: pans and heaters were shown scattered around there, not fridges. But, even 50% peroxide is not explosive, it <em>won\u2019t go bang.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Let\u2019s have a quote from the laugh-a-minute script:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">\u201cClifford Todd<\/span> (principal forensic investigator at the Forensic Exposives Laboratory, part of the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory in Sevenoaks): so what you need to do is concentrate that hydrogen peroxide and you need a method to know when it\u2019s concentrated enough, and that\u2019s what I believe those calculations referred to, how they were going to determine when they\u2019d concentrated it sufficiently.<br \/>\n<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Hugo Keith<\/span>: Hence the sensitivity of a revelation of that particular detail into the public domain?<br \/>\n<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Todd<\/span> : Correct, yes.\u00a0 (para 42, pm 1<sup>st<\/sup> Feb)\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Voila! The key, central issue where the entire government case falls apart is too sensitive, and cannot be discussed.\u00a0 The actual method of such concentration &#8211;\u00a0low-pressure fractional distillation (which will work if you have a pure solution of hydrogen peroxide to start with) \u2013 and its non-accessability to the young alleged bombers, and their total incompetence to operate such a process, would indeed be a \u2018revelation\u2019 as Hugo Keith indicated, which should under no circumstances be released into the public domain. Moreover even if they had by some miracle managed to achieve it, they would have no way of knowing that they had done so: short of trial explosions \u2013 which not even the most mendacious neighbour of Alexander Grove flat has claimed to have heard \u2013 there is no way the Four could have known whether the peroxide they had brewed up would go bang or just phut.<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">The above quote by Mr Todd continues,\u00a0\u2019The calculations that we did see on a particular piece of paper appeared to relate to the density of hydrogen peroxide\u2026\u2019 (Feb 1, 41:24-25)\u2019 No, Mr Todd, you know that to\u00a0ascertain the strength of peroxide one has to find its specific gravity, an A-level chemistry operation involving exact weight and volume measurements, where no trace of the required apparatus is found in the Alexandra Grove photographs.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Will it go bang?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> Hugo Keith: \u2018Obviously the saucepans were used in the actual bomb-making process.\u2019 (18:2) I suggest British anti-terror prosecutions should first be obliged to show they can get a bang out of the unlikely shop-purchased materials they are alleging were used, before wasting tens of millions of taxpayers\u2019 money. Let them be given a saucepan, hair-bleach (or, more recently, \u2018liquid oxygen\u2019 from a<strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"> <\/span><\/strong><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk\/evidence\/docs\/INQ11005-1.pdf\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">hydroponics shop<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">) and black pepper. If they can\u2019t get a decent bang, then they should stop wasting our time with any more of these mega- fake-terror trials.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">\u2018The bombers used respirators because the hydrogen peroxide gave off noxious fumes as it was boiled down, blistering paint work and killing plants outside one of the ground-floor flat\u2019s windows,\u2019 explained Dc Richard Reynolds, of the Metropolitan Police\u2019s SO15 counter-terrorism command, <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/uk-12337575\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">to the Inquest<\/span><\/strong> <\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> No, Mr Reynolds: boiling peroxide may liberate oxygen, plus water vapour, but that is all. The \u2018noxious fumes\u2019 story is a hangover from the earlier TATP narrative which faded without a trace three years ago \u2013 its synthesis would indeed have produced frightful smells, requiring a fume cupboard and fridge.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">The main identification of explosive at the Inquest, was of the \u2018detonator\u2019 HTMD which kept being found on clothing that supposedly belonged to the Four, and on the floor of the Nissan Micra car, Tanweer\u2019s wallet, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">It strains our credulity that the flat never exploded. TATP, HTMD, peroxide being boiled \u2013 any one of these blowing up would have detonated all the others.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">We are being given an <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/uknews\/1546536\/The-hydrogen-peroxide-bombs-that-link-217-terror-plot-to-77-suicide-bombers.html\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong>analogy with the 21\/7 \u2018bombers<\/strong><\/span>,<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">\u2019 who two weeks after 7\/7 mixed chappati flour with peroxide. Those \u2018bombs\u2019 just went phut \u2013 they did not \u2018fail to explode\u2019 as reported through the British media, they did all they ever could have done. However effective the detonator, that is all those \u2018bombs\u2019 could have done. Government reports on that event never cite the one thing that matters namely the concentration of hydrogen peroxide mixed with the chappati flour. Optimistically we might suppose that it was say, 40% \u2013 that somehow, Muktar Said Abraham and his co-plotters managed to get that far by boiling their shop peroxide.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">There can be no comparison between the bombs used on 21<sup>st<\/sup> July 2005 which went phut and created fear (not terror) within the small circles that noticed them \u2013 and, the terrible shattering blasts two weeks earlier. Nobody capable of rational thought could suppose that the bombs were similar. I personally do not claim to know what blew apart the coaches that morning. I really, really wish the people of London would apply their considerable collective intelligence to answering the question. To do that they would first have to cease believing the government\u2019s <em>fairy tale from Hell<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Is Magdy Al-Nashar still alive?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Egyptian chemist Al-Nashar was renting the flat at 18, Alexandra Grove from a housing co-op. He had just completed his biochemistry PhD at Leeds, and flew out to Cairo on 4<sup>th<\/sup> July 2005 \u2013 <em>with a return ticket<\/em>, booked for August 12th. The Met must be very confident that he is not going to return, after all he might have some comments on the state of his flat as depicted at the Inquest. \u00a0He was flying out to thank the Egyptian institution which had funded his PhD, then when arrested in Cairo his laptop was found to be full of <em>classical music.<\/em> He suffered the nightmare of being held in captivity and grilled as to whether he was the \u2018mastermind\u2019 on the London bombings. He had indeed been a friend of Lindsey Jamal. He was released with no charges; which is indeed hard to square with all of the fiendish bomb-making equipment the Inquest has been shown, in his flat.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">On 8<sup>th<\/sup> January 2007 the world was first shown pictures of the inside of his flat \u2013 oddly enough they were from a <em>replica<\/em> of his flat, constructed in Brooklyn, New Jersey!<sup>11<\/sup> Well, fancy that. We would surely appreciate Mr al-Nashar\u2019s comments on what exactly is a replica of what in this situation, after all the world of clandestine intelligence is proverbially a hall of mirrors.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Where\u2019s the Fridge?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">A huge industrial fridge was present in the flat \u2013 or, so the New York Police Department explained, reported by <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/postmanpatel.blogspot.com\/2007\/01\/spot-fridge-win-million-pounds-lord.html\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong><em>The Times<\/em> on August 4th<\/strong><\/span>,<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"> 2005 (7):\u00a0\u00a0\u201dAn expensive fridge was found in the otherwise rundown flat in Dewsbury \u2026 they had commercial grade refrigerators to keep the materials cool,\u201d said Michael Sheehan, the NYPD\u2019s Deputy Commissioner of Counter Terrorism.\u201d It would certainly be sensible to have such, if one were trying to brew up the liable-to-detonate substances such as TATP and HMTD. But, can you see one in the comprehensive map of the flat <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk\/evidence\/docs\/INQ9556-4.pdf\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">shown to the Inquest<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">? Did these big \u2018industrial fridges\u2019\u00a0 just fade away, along with the TATP? Perhaps we should re-launch the <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/postmanpatel.blogspot.com\/2007\/01\/spot-fridge-win-million-pounds-lord.html\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">offer of the late Lord Patel<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">, for a million pounds to anyone who can spot this fridge in the pictures!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Conclusion<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">\u201c\u2018Its only bread\u2019 remarked Muktar Said Abraham (MSI) to a bystander when the \u2018bomb\u2019 in his rucksack, comprising Chapati flour and peroxide, \u2018went off\u2019, or rather dribbled down onto the floor of the 28 bus, at Hackney, on July 21st, 2005. <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/terroronthetube.co.uk\/reviews-2\/the-terrorist-hunters-by-andy-hayman\/\"><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">N.K. <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">If the Four had made bombs as the Inquest wants us to believe, then they would have to be comparable to the chapati flour \u2013 bombs that somewhat alarmed Londoners two weeks later: with the same method of concentrating the peroxide plus pepper in place of chapati flour. The \u2018knowledge\u2019 of how to make these bombs is the sort of thing one might expect to hear discussed at some Mad Hatter\u2019s tea-party. No empirical verification has ever taken place \u2013 no real explosives expert has endorsed their feasibility \u2013 no bang is ever available on Youtube showing this mix.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">There have been quite a few mega- fake-terror trials in London following 7\/7, involving peroxide bombs. None of them gave us any hint as to how the alleged perpetrators could have known what concentration of peroxide they had ended up with \u2013 whether 10% or 40% eg. If the aim had been to make TATP, this would at least have had the advantage that one would be able to see if it was working, because white TATP would slowly appear. Would not the Four journeying down to London wish to have some idea as to whether their bombs would blow up?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">My impression for what it\u2019s worth is that detonators may have gone bang in the case of the 21\/7 events, these supposedly being made of TATP. The Inquest has averred that detonators were made of a even more dangerous and unstable peroxide compound, HMTD.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #c0c0c0;\">Summarising, the Inquest has clarified that the Government cannot find any forensic chemist, who will claim to have been able to identify the primary explosive mix \u2013 not at\u00a0London, Luton or Leeds.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>References (in Chronological sequence)<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>11<sup>th<\/sup> July, 2005, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.worldtribune.com\/worldtribune\/05\/front2453563.0402777777.html\">World Tribune.com: <\/a>Advanced bombs so powerful that none of dead have been identified; timers were\u00a0used.<\/li>\n<li> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/uk\/crime\/explosive-used-in-bombs-was-of-military-origin-498495.html\">The Independent,<\/a> 12 July 2005: Christophe Chaboud, \u2018On 12 July 2005, Superintendent Christophe Chaboud, chief of French anti-terrorism Coordination Unit who was in London assisting Scotland Yard with its investigation, confirmed to <em>The Times<\/em> that,\u2018The nature of the explosives appears to be military, which is very worrying\u2026.the material used were not homemade but sophisticated military explosives \u2026\u2019 (Nafeez Ahmed <em>The London Bombs<\/em>, p.24)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>3 \u00a0<strong>The Times, July 13th:<\/strong> Christophe Chaboud informed <em>The Times <\/em>that \u2018traces of \u2018military plastic explosive, more deadly and efficient than commercial varieties, are understood to have been found in the debris of the wrecked underground carriages and the bus.\u2019 (<em>Times,<\/em> July 13th).<\/p>\n<p>4\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 13<sup>th<\/sup> July Then on 13th July it was stated that these were of \u2018C4\u2019 explosive:<br \/>\nLondon explosives have military origin \u2013 <em>Science Daily<\/em>. LONDON, July 13 (UPI):<\/p>\n<p>\u201cScotland Yard has asked for European cooperation in finding how last week\u2019s London subway and bus bombers obtained military plastic explosives. Traces of the explosive known as C4 were found at all four blast sites, and The Times of London said Scotland Yard considers it vital to determine if they were part of a terrorist stockpile. C4 is manufactured mostly in the United States, and is more deadly and efficient than commercial varieties. It is easy to hide, stable, and is often missed by traditional bomb-sniffing detection systems, the newspaper said. Forensic scientists told the newspaper the construction of the four devices detonated in London was very technically advanced, and unlike any instructions that can be found on the Internet.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>5\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/uk\/crime\/the-investigation-bath-filled-with-explosives-found-at-operational-base-of-terrorists-498747.html\">The Independent 14 July 2005<\/a>,\u00a0\u2018A bath filled with explosives has been found at a house in Leeds that was the \u201coperational base\u201d for the London suicide bombers\u2026 The huge quentity of explosive found\u2019<\/p>\n<p>6.\u00a0\u00a0 17<sup>th<\/sup> July The Observer \u2018London bombs: Three cities, Four Killers.\u2019 El-Nashar left for Egypt on 4<sup>th<\/sup> July; \u201822 lbs TATP in the bath.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>7.\u00a0\u00a0 The Times, 4 Aug 2005 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.timesonline.co.uk\/tol\/news\/uk\/article551443.ece\">July,7 bombs used Hair dye say NYPD<\/a> (as <a href=\"http:\/\/postmanpatel.blogspot.com\/2007\/01\/spot-fridge-win-million-pounds-lord.html\">alluded to by Lord Patel<\/a>)<\/p>\n<h3>8\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.officialconfusion.com\/77\/explosives\/type\/220705janestatp.html\">Jane\u2019s Defence Weekly <\/a> 22 July\u00a0 TATP links London &amp; Leeds.<\/h3>\n<p>9\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Photographs of the material present in the Luton car-park appeared on 26th of July 2005, released by <a href=\"http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/1\/hi\/in_pictures\/4722775.stm%20%20\">ABC News in America.<\/a> It showed<em> white<\/em> explosive material.<\/p>\n<p>10\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a04 Aug 2005 The Times \u2018July 7th bombs used hair dye, say NYPD\u2019<\/p>\n<p>11 Daily Mirror 8 Jan 2007\u00a0 \u00a0Exclusive \u2013 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mirror.co.uk\/news\/top-stories\/2007\/01\/08\/the-bedsit-bombers-115875-18415687\/#ixzz1DNdeEjkC\">inside the 7\/7 Terror house<\/a>: replica of flat in Broklyn, made by NYPD.\u00a0\u2018Mr Cordes revealed the bombs were made with triacetone triperoxide, or TATP\u2019. Mr Cordes revealed the bombs were made with triacetone triperoxide, or TATP.<\/p>\n<p>12\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On 14<sup>th<\/sup> April 2008, Neil Flewitt QC told the <a href=\"http:\/\/postmanpatel.blogspot.com\/2008\/04\/tools-for-urban-terrorism-4-black.html%20\">Kingston Crown Court<\/a> that the mix of black pepper and peroxide was so \u2018unique\u2019 that the bombers\u00a0must have had help designing and building them.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/terroronthetube.co.uk\/latest-77-articles-3\/77-what-went-bang\/\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nick Kollerstrom explains why the explosives that wreaked carnage on July 7th couldn\u2019t have been made of peroxide and black pepper, as the government claims<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":134,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[19,54],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-20815","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-Behind_The_News","category-london_terror_attacks"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20815","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/134"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=20815"}],"version-history":[{"count":11,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20815\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":73269,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20815\/revisions\/73269"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=20815"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=20815"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=20815"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}