{"id":20450,"date":"2011-02-19T15:27:06","date_gmt":"2011-02-19T15:27:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=20450"},"modified":"2011-02-21T08:18:26","modified_gmt":"2011-02-21T08:18:26","slug":"truth-in-stuttgart","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=20450","title":{"rendered":"Truth in Stuttgart"},"content":{"rendered":"

Gilad Atzmon \u2013 Gilad.co.uk February 19, 2011<\/strong><\/p>\n

Introduction by Gilad Atzmon:<\/span><\/p>\n

Three months ago, I briefly participated in a Palestinian solidarity conference in Stuttgart. The event was dedicated to the ‘One State Solution’. As it happened, I was touring in Germany at the time, and\u00a0thus accepted an invitation by the organiser to say a few words.<\/span><\/p>\n

Being primarily an artist, rather than a politician or an activist, I am committed to truth and beauty rather than a party-line or any given\u00a0ideological doctrine. Yet, without my intending to do so, and in just a few sentences \u2013 I managed to cross every possible \u2018red line\u2019, and I bought myself a few more enemies.<\/span><\/p>\n

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In my speech, I said that as much as\u00a0\u2018universalism\u2019 is a\u00a0beautiful idea,\u00a0it is incompatible with Jewish culture, since Jewish culture is tribally oriented. I also told the German Palestinian supporters that as much as \u2018peace\u2019 is a beautiful concept, associated as it is with harmony and reconciliation,\u00a0\u00a0Shalom<\/em>, the Hebrew word for peace, is actually interpreted by Israelis as \u2018security for the Jews\u2019.<\/span><\/p>\n

I thought that the supporters of the \u2018One State Solution\u2019 should be aware of the complexities that lie ahead.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I also managed\u00a0\u00a0to infuriate some, by suggesting that I was against the comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. Indeed, I believe that from certain ideological perspective, Israel is actually far worse than Nazi Germany, for unlike Nazi Germany, Israel is a democracy and\u00a0that implies that\u00a0Israeli citizens are complicit in Israeli atrocities.<\/span><\/p>\n

Needless to say, a few of the attendants of the conference were angry with me.\u00a0 Such ideas are hardly expressed on German soil. Some of the Jewish activists, and at least one Marxist, demanded that I should be removed from the protocol.<\/span><\/p>\n

I was obviously sad about it — I believed that those who advocated the \u2018One State solution\u2019 should be able\u00a0to support intellectual pluralism — But it turns out that a few of those who promote democracy in Palestine would be better advised to first confront their own Stalinist tendencies.<\/span><\/p>\n

Later, I learned that one legendary German Jewish activist and speaker at the conference stood by me. \u00a0Evelyn Hecht-Galinski\u00a0firmly announced that if I was to be removed from the protocol, then she also wanted to be removed. She argued in my defense that I was telling the truth about both Jewish and Israeli culture.<\/span><\/p>\n

In spite of relentless Jewish pressure,\u00a0a video of my presentation was later uploaded to youtube and has now\u00a0been seen by many.<\/span><\/p>\n

Two days ago I learned that Arbeiterfotografie, (the group who documented the conference) transcribed my talk and considered it \u201cmost convincing and humane\u201d. They thought that it should be \u2018disseminated\u00a0widely\u2019 (read below).<\/span><\/p>\n

I guess that truth cannot be suppressed anymore — not even in Germany. \u00a0 If Israel defines itself as a Jewish State, then surely, it is our duty to question what Jewishness is all about.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I believe that solidarity with Palestine becomes a more meaningful event once we are brave enough to stand for the truth. Rather than fit ourselves into any given consensus or discourse, our duty is to present an alternative reality, whilst aiming at ethics and beauty.<\/span><\/p>\n

For Justice to prevail, truth must be told.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Arbeiterfotografie: What did Gilad Atzmon actually say in Stuttgart?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.arbeiterfotografie.com\/israel\/index-israel-0048.html<\/span><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n

One of the most essential phrases at the very beginning of Gilad Atzmon\u2019s welcome address at the Stuttgart conference is certainly the following: \u201cWe all agree upon \u2018ONE state\u2019, and we all agree that this is most probably the only ethical and universal approach to the crisis. We all agree that this is the right road to peace.\u201d Gilad Atzmon explains that universality and peace, in the sense of reconciliation, are alien to the Jewish – and especially Israeli – culture. He states that Jewish culture is tribe-oriented. And that when Israelis use the word \u2018shalom\u2019, they do not mean peace but security for the Jews. He believes that it is crucial to apply maximum pressure on Israel through \u00ab\u00a0Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions\u00a0\u00bb (BDS).<\/span><\/p>\n

Although it may be fair to say that statements of this nature are bound to cause strong reactions amongst the proponents of racist and zionist ideologies, it is barely comprehensible that this should be the case within the Palestine Solidarity movement.<\/span><\/p>\n

It is the following passage in particular that has been quoted out of context: \u201cI think Israel is much worse than Nazi Germany. Why? Israel is a democracy. Nazi Germany was not a democracy. The Reichstag was dissolved, the Germans have no responsibility for actions and crimes committed by the Nazis. Israel is a democracy; hence every citizen is complicit. Every citizen is complicit, as am I, as a British citizen, in the crimes committed in Iraq.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

The above passage has served to disqualify Gilad Atzmon and reject a discussion with him. Is this justified? The answer to this question becomes apparent as soon as we reflect on the context these phrases were spoken in. The passage that has been taken out of context is part of a digression in which Gilad explains why he dislikes comparisons \u2013 comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany, and comparisons between Israel and South Africa. By reducing his words to the passage in question, his statement is deprived of its original intent and meaning. [See complete interpolation below].<\/span><\/p>\n

Gilad Atzmon\u2019s most fundamental concern, however, is to bring understanding to the Israelis with regard to an idea that he describes as follows: \u201cBut then suddenly a very important concept became clear to me. And it is the only one we can make the Israelis understand. It is very simple [interpolation, see below]. I believe the Israelis\u2019 fear and hysteria regarding the delegitimisation of Israel has to do with the fact that they may be beginning to understand that sooner or later they will be living together with the Palestinians \u2026 This is also my main message to you today. It is the Israelis who are now prisoners \u2013 prisoners of future Palestinian benevolence. No one can absolve the Israelis from their deeds and their crimes – neither the British, the French, nor the Germans. The only people who will ever be able to forgive them are the Palestinians. In order to receive forgiveness, the Israelis must start thinking NOW. [They must start thinking:] Destiny has condemned us to live in this society. It is an irrevocable process. There will be ONE state, and we must make sure they understand this \u2013 and understand that everything they do from now on will be subject tp Palestinian benevolence. We must make this point clear to them.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

His train of thought is unusual, but it is by no means deserving of condemnation.<\/span><\/p>\n

It is a most convincing and humane idea, and we should support and disseminate it widely. We should no longer play along in the game that consists in reversing the roles of the robbers and robbed, the oppressors and oppressed, the terrorists and terrorised. We must recognise who has systematically committed crimes against whom over the decades. And in this context we must acknowledge Gilad Atzmon\u2019s idea: the situation can no longer go on in this way. Each and every additional crime committed by Israel against the Palestinians plants hatred towards this state and makes reconciliation even more remote. This cannot be what we want, especially if we are part of a Christian society.<\/span><\/p>\n

The intellectual digression in full [in italics]: \u201cWe have already heard about the comparison between Israelis \u2013 Israel and Nazi Germany. I am not fond of this comparison, as I believe Israel is far worse than Nazi Germany. Why? Simply because Israel is a democracy. Nazi Germany was not a democracy. The Reichstag was dissolved, the Germans were in no way responsible for the actions committed by the Nazis – apart from those who directly committed a crime or were politically responsible. Israel, by contrast, is a democracy:<\/span><\/p>\n

Hence every citizen is complicit, as am I, as a British citizen, in the crime currently being committed in Iraq. Obviously, I am not as responsible as Tony Blair or Lord Goldsmith, or perhaps Lord Levy (his no. 1 fundraiser). As for the comparison between Israel and South Africa \u2026. there were massacres [in South Africa] \u2013 but there was no genocide, no genocidal politics against blacks. This [however ] is what is taking place in Israel. We all witnessed what happened in Gaza in 2008\/2009. At any rate, I do not care for comparisons, yet \u2026.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

These are reflective asides. They are thought-provoking but by no means justify a rejection of communication, the more so as they focus on a concept that could hardly be more humane.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0Transcription<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

(the transcription was lightly edited to make it readable)\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.arbeiterfotografie.com\/israel\/index-israel-0048.html<\/span><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n

Good afternoon. I’m honoured to be here. In fact, I wasn’t planning to be here, but as it happens, I have a concert nearby.\u00a0 I’m delighted to take part in this platform with such incredible people. I think that you have managed to gather some of the most profound and eloquent intellectuals, speakers, and activists to speak on this very important issue.<\/span><\/p>\n

I usually manage to say everything I want to say in just a few words because I do not hold back. I have a reputation for being a \u2018suicidal activist\u2019.<\/p>\n

We all agree about the principle of one state. We all agree that this is probably the only ethical and universal approach to the crisis. And we all agree that this is the right course towards peace. But somehow we tend to forget, or to dismiss the fact that the word ‘universal’ is actually very foreign to Jewish culture. Jewish culture is tribally oriented. We tend to overlook the clear fact that the notion of \u2018peace\u2019, as we know it — a form of reconciliation, or \u2018loving your neighbour\u2019 \u2013 is very foreign to Jewish culture, and it is definitely an alien concept to Israeli culture. Israelis use the word ‘shalom’ — you have heard the word ‘shalom’ before — however, ‘shalom’ doesn’t mean peace: ‘Shalom’ actually means security to the Jews. And only for the Jews. It’s a very different concept.<\/p>\n

Shockingly enough, Zionism started out as a very interesting project: Its intention was to \u2018civilise\u2019 the Jews. This is not Gilad Atzmon speculating now \u2013 the following is actually from Theodor Herzl, the founder of political Zionism \u2013 Herzl said, ‘We (the Jews) want to be people like all other people,’ which means, we want to transcend ourselves beyond a tribal ideology. We want to understand what peace is all about. We want to be authentic; to live on \u2018our\u2019 land, to work, and so on. It was quite a nice idea \u2013 except for the fact that it was at the expense of another people.\u00a0 Probably this planet was not the right place for the Jewish State; simply because the notion of loving your neighbour, was, and still is, foreign to the culture.\u00a0 This is why Christ is such an interesting revelation. Christ basically argued : ‘Everything is fine; let us just accept the fact that we are all brothers and sisters.\u2019<\/p>\n

Today we want to pursue with the harmonious agenda, and as I understood from listening to Ilan Pappe and Ali Abunimah,\u00a0 we are becoming a mass movement in spite of our politicians who betray us on a regular basis, and not just in regard to Palestine.\u00a0 Look at our economy — Palestine is only one part of the story. The Zionification of Western politics is a disaster. The Zionist wars we end up fighting in is something no one dares to talk about. The war in Iraq has so far cost the life of million and half Iraqis, and it is not that complicated to trace the Israeli role in setting off this devastating event. And I think that now, more and more people are starting to see it, clearly.<\/p>\n

Here is the only concept we can deliver to the Israelis, and it is very simple. We have heard already about comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. But I don’t like these comparisons, because I truly think that Israel is far worse than Nazi Germany. Why do I believe so? Because Israel is a democracy. Nazi Germany was not a democracy; the Reichstag had been dissolved. The Germans had zero responsibility for acts that were committed by Nazis \u2013 apart of course from those who were directly perpetrating a crime, or were politically leading it. However, Israel is a democracy \u2013 and therefore, every citizen is complicit.\u00a0\u00a0 Every citizen is complicit, as much as I am complicit, as a British citizen, in the crime that is being committed in Iraq, right now. I am not as responsible as Tony Blair, or Lord Goldsmith, or perhaps Lord Levy, who acted as Blair\u2019s number one fund-raiser — but I am still responsible.<\/p>\n

Another common comparison is the comparison between Israel and South Africa. However, South Africans didn’t kill \u2013 yes, there were massacres \u2013 but there was no genocide, or genocidal policy against blacks. Yet that is what is happening in Israel. We can all remember too well what happened in Gaza in 2008 \u2013 2009.<\/p>\n

However much I don’t like comparisons, I think that it is the fear of the Israelis, and the hysteria regarding the delegitimisation of Israel, that may, at last, bring Israelis to the point of realising that they are going to have to live with Palestinians — in one state.<\/p>\n

And that is the most important thing I can tell you today.<\/p>\n

Israelis are now imprisoned \u2013 imprisoned by Palestinian future kindness. No-one can forgive the Israelis for what they do; not the British, nor the French, nor the Germans.<\/p>\n

The only people that will ever be able to forgive them \u2013 are the Palestinians. For Israelis, to get amnesty, they have to start to think, right now \u2013 because they are doomed to live in this society. This is an irreversible process now. It will be one state, and we have to make sure that the Israelis understand it. They must understand that every crime they are committing in the present \u2013 will make them subject to future Palestinian kindness.<\/p>\n

Thank you very much<\/p>\n

Gilad Atzmon<\/span><\/p>\n

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