{"id":187207,"date":"2019-04-23T06:54:11","date_gmt":"2019-04-23T06:54:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=187207"},"modified":"2019-04-26T07:38:28","modified_gmt":"2019-04-26T07:38:28","slug":"now-i-know-why-the-f-105-fighter-was-the-vietnam-wars-f-35","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/?p=187207","title":{"rendered":"Now I Know Why the F-105 Fighter Was the Vietnam War’s F-35"},"content":{"rendered":"

By War is Boring \u2013 The National Interest April 20, 2019<\/a><\/span><\/h1>\n
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F-105 Thunderchief\u200a. click to enlarge<\/p><\/div>\n

The U.S. military\u2019s new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter can\u2019t turn fast enough to defeat a much older F-16 in mock air combat, according to an official test pilot report that War Is Boring obtained<\/strong><\/span><\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n

So how will F-35s\u200a\u2014\u200aon track to be the U.S. Air Force\u2019s most numerous fighter\u200a\u2014\u200asurvive in battle against foes flying much more nimble Russian and Chinese jets?<\/span><\/p>\n

Look to history for possible answers. Fifty years ago, the Air Force was in a similar predicament. Its main strike fighter was the F-105 Thunderchief\u200a\u2014\u200aa heavy, high-tech ground-attacker that, much like the F-35, was supposed to also be able to defeat enemy fighters.<\/span><\/p>\n

But in fact, the F-105\u200a\u2014\u200alike the F-35\u200a\u2014\u200aturned too slowly to reliably beat the Russian-made MiG-21, the Thunderchief\u2019s main potential rival at the time. So the Air Force worked out special tactics to help the F-105 survive.<\/span><\/p>\n

The flying branch will have to do the same for the F-35.<\/span><\/p>\n

The similarities between the F-35 and F-105 are striking. \u201cBoth the F-105 and JSF are large, single-seat, single-engine strike fighters, using the most powerful engine of the era \u2026 [and] with empty weights in the 27,000-pound class, and wingspans almost identical at 35 feet,\u201d Carlo Kopp, an Australian aerospace analyst, wrote in 200<\/strong><\/span>4<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cBoth carry internal weapon bays and multiple external hardpoints for drop tanks and weapons,\u201d Kopp continued. \u201cBoth were intended to achieve combat radii in the 400-nautical-mile class. Neither have by the standards of their respective periods high thrust-weight ratio or energy maneuver capability favored for air superiority fighters and interceptors.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

The Air Force acquired 833 F-105s and lost no fewer than 334 over Vietnam between 1965 and 1970. North Vietnamese MiGs shot down 22 Thunderchiefs while, according to Kopp, F-105s shot down at least 27 MiGs\u200a\u2014\u200anear parity in air-to-air combat.<\/span><\/p>\n

But the Pentagon wasn\u2019t content with parity. To improve its tactics, in 1969 the Air Force conducted mock air battles between an F-105 and a ex-Iraqi MiG-21 as part of the Defense Intelligence Agency\u2019s \u201cHave Doughnut\u201d program<\/strong><\/span><\/a>. The MiG\u2019s pilot had defected to Israel with his jet, and the Israelis generously allowed the Americans to borrow the speedy, nimble little fighter.<\/span><\/p>\n

The experiment did not go well for the F-105. Encountering a MiG-21, the F-105 crew should try to flee, the testers advised. If the F-105 was behind the MiG-21 and the MiG flier didn\u2019t know it, the Thunderchief crew could attempt a high-speed ambush.<\/span><\/p>\n

But when the F-105 and MiG-21 started out in equal and opposite positions, the American plane was in trouble. \u201cIf the F-105 attacker attempts a prolonged maneuvering engagement, it becomes vulnerable to follow-up attacks as the offensive situation deteriorates due to loss of energy and maneuvering potential,\u201d the Air Force reported.<\/span><\/p>\n

The F-35 pilot in the JSF-on-F-16 test reported a similar dynamic. \u201cInsufficient pitch rate,\u201d the F-35 flier complained about his stealthy fighter-bomber. In a turning fight, \u201cenergy deficit to the bandit would increase over time.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

But while the F-105 enjoyed a straight-line speed advantage over most rivals, the F-35 is actually slower than today\u2019s Sukhoi, Shenyang and Chengdu fighters. Fortunately, the JSF is a stealth warplane, with design features that help it avoid detection by long-range sensors in certain circumstances.<\/span><\/p>\n

If the F-35 is to survive in future wars, its operators must devise tactics that take advantage of this one attribute, Kopp advised. \u201cThe decisive factor for the JSF in this game will be its limited stealth performance.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

This article by David Axe originally appeared<\/a><\/strong><\/span> at War is Boring in 2015.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The similarities between the two planes are striking. The USAF acquired 833 F-105s and lost no fewer than 334 over Vietnam. Does a similar fate await the F-35?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":39262,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[23,15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-187207","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-Fringe_Science_New_Discoveries_and_Developments","category-Hidden_and_Revisionist_History"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/187207","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/39262"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=187207"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/187207\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":187210,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/187207\/revisions\/187210"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=187207"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=187207"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thetruthseeker.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=187207"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}