Jews vs. Israelis

Gilad Atzmon – Sept 16, 2019

Now would be the correct time for Ali Abunimah, JVP,  & CO to form an orderly queue to issue their deep and sincere apology to me. Since the early 2000s my detractors within the so called Jewish ‘Left’ together with  their sometime stooges, have been harassing me, my publishers and my readers for pointing out that Zionism is an obsolete concept with little meaning for Israel, Israelis  and their politics let alone the conflict that has been destroying the Eastern Mediterranean region
In my 2011 book The Wandering Who, I argue that “Since Israel defines itself openly as the ‘Jewish State’, we should ask what the notions of ’Judaism’, ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish culture’ and ‘Jewish ideology’ stand for.” Just before the publication of the book I was urged by both JVP’s leader and Ali Abunimah to drop the J-Word and focus solely on Zionism. In Britain, a gang of so called ‘anti’ Zionist Jews relentlessly terrorised my publisher and promoters. Funny, most of these authoritarian tribals who worked 24/7 to silence me have been expelled from the British Labour Party for alleged anti-Semitism. Now, they promote the ideal of ‘freedom of speech.’
In ‘The Wandering Who’ and in the years preceding its publication, I realised that the Palestinian solidarity discourse has been suffocated with misleading and often duplicitous terminology that was set to divert  attention from the root cause of the conflict and that acted  to prevent intelligible discussion of  possible solutions.
Let’s face it. Israel doesn’t see  itself as the Zionist State: not one Israeli party integrated the word ‘Zionism’ into its name. To Israelis, Zionism is a dated and clichéd concept that describes the ideology that promised to erect a Jewish homeland in Palestine. For Israelis, Zionism fulfilled its purpose in 1948, it is now an archaic term. In ‘The Wandering Who’ I presented a so-far unrefuted argument that an understanding of ‘Jewishness’, a term familiar to every self-identified Jew, may provide answers to most questions related to Israel and its politics. It may also help us to grasp the fake dissent that has dominated the so- called Jewish ‘anti’ Zionist campaign for the last two decades.
Though I was probably the first to write about the crucial shift in Israeli society in favour of Judeo-centrism, this shift is now mainstream news.  Haaretz’s lead writer, Anshel Pfeffer, just wrote a spectacular analysis of this transformation. Pfeffer’s view is that Israelis are going to the polls this Tuesday to decide whether they are “Jews” or “Israelis.”
According to Pfeffer, in the mid 1990s it was Netanyahu’s American campaign guru, Arthur Finkelstein, who promoted  “a message that could reach secular and religious voters alike. In his polling, he had asked voters whether they considered themselves ‘more Jewish’ or ‘more Israeli.’ The results convinced him there was a much larger constituency of voters, not just religious ones, who emphasized their Jewish identity over their Israeli one.”
In light of Finkelstein’s observation, Likud focused its message on Jerusalem. Its campaign slogan was:  “Peres will divide Jerusalem.” In the final 48 hours before Election Day there was also “an unofficial slogan, emblazoned on millions of posters and bumper stickers distributed by Chabad Hasidim: “Netanyahu is good for the Jews.”
In a Haaretz interview after his narrow 1996 defeat, Peres lamented that “the Israelis lost the election.” When asked then who had won, he answered, “The Jews won.”
Pfeffer points out that Netanyahu learned from Finkelstein that the “Jew” is the primary unifier for Israelis. This certainly applies to religious Jews but also to those who regard themselves as secular. After all, Israel has really been the “Jewish State” for a while.
This is probably the right place to point out that Netanyahu’s move of locating Jewishness at the heart of Israel is a reversal of the original Zionist promise. While early Zionism was a desperate attempt to divorce the Jews from the ghetto and their tribal obsession and make them “people like all other people,” the present adherence to Jewishness and kinship induces  a return to Judeo-centric chauvinism. As odd as this may sound, Netanyahu’s transformation of Israel into a ‘Jewish realm’ makes him an ardent anti Zionist probably more anti Zionist than JVP, Mondoweiss and the BDS together.
Pfeffer points out that when Netanyahu returned to power in 2009 and  formed a right-wing/ religious coalition, was when “the Jews prevailed — and have done so ever since in four consecutive elections, including the last one in April 2019.”
To illustrate this Pfeffer cites the 2012 Israeli  High Court of Justice decision to deny a petition by writer Yoram Kaniuk and others to allow themselves to be registered solely as ‘Israelis’ as opposed to ‘Jews.’
Every so often we hear from one Torah rabbi or another that Zionism is not Judaism.” Those who have reached this point surely grasp that ‘Zionism vs. Judaism’ is a fake dichotomy. It serves to confuse and to divert questioning minds from the path toward an understanding of the conflict: In Israel Zionism is an empty concept, politically, ideologically and spiritually. Israel defines itself as ‘The Jewish state’ and orthodox rabbis are at the centre of this transition in Israeli politics and life.
I guess that Abunimah and JVP were desperate to silence me at the time as they foolishly believed that shooting the messenger or alternatively burning books was the way forward for human rights activism. I stood firm. The observations I produced in ‘The Wandering Who’ were endorsed by the most profound thinkers associated with the conflict and the anti war movement. My observations are more relevant than ever and in Israel they have entered mainstream analysis. When it comes to Palestine solidarity we have managed to waste a good two decades of intellectual progress thanks to authoritarian lobbies operating in our midst. For truth and justice to prevail, we have to learn to speak the truth as we see it, and to accept JVP and Abumimah’s apologies when they are mature enough to come clean.
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Gilad Atzmon, a former Israeli soldier now a writer and an award winning Jazz musician resident in London, where he lives in virtual exile

13 responses to “Jews vs. Israelis”

  1. Every jew has a duty to support mossad terrorism
    very few stand up for what is right
    Gilad is correct, there are no jews against zionism
    they are all one, a cancer which must be expunged

  2. Atzmon forgets that despite the reluctance of many to label themselves as Zionists, the fact is that the Zionist movement with the money and influence of the Rothschild’s is what created Israel and which continues to sustain it. It is the Zionist goals for dominance and control in the Middle East, and it seems everywhere else, which most Jews are compelled to support one way or the other. In Israel when they want to expand in some new development like in the East Bank, if the indigenous people do not take their money and get out of Dodge then they are bulldozed out of the place, and for a Jewish Israeli to complain or any Jewish person to criticize any such methods is considered a betrayal of their own people.

    With Zionist influence in both the corporate and the alternate media, it is not surprising that the entire world appears blind to similar land-clearing methods which have been used to displace and then herd hundreds of thousands of Syrians out of their own homeland into Europe. Rothschild’s agent provocateur, George Soros, was a principal in that operation.

    However, when we tend to get indignant because of all of the injustice and killing, we have to remember from our own national histories the same plight befell North American natives to make way for the beautiful people from Europe in creating the US and Canada. Extermination and apartheid appears to be a very Ango thing and that is probably why the Anglos and the Zionist have so much in common.

    We still live in a world where might makes right and the wild-west cowboy stuff has to stop.

  3. I argue that “ Since Israel defines itself openly as the ‘Jewish State’, we should ask what the notions of ’Judaism’, ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish culture’ and ‘Jewish ideology’ stand for.”

    ” It may also help us to grasp the fake dissent that has dominated the so- called Jewish ‘anti’ Zionist campaign for the last two decades.”

    Netanyahu is a fake Jew, and Israel is a fake State.

    In order to get the right perspective of “Jews vs Israelis”,
    it is important to make the distinction between the “real”,
    and the “fake”.

    The real Jew is a born again individual(rational mindset),
    a Believer. The fake Jew(irrational mindset), is a Gentile.

    The written Word(Bible), refers to the Jews(rational), and
    the Gentiles(irrational), as the two opposing mindsets.

    The real Israel is the body of Believers(real Jews), and the
    fake Israel is the present State of Israel which will soon
    come to an end, together with the fake Jews.

    The Bible verse that confirm this perspective:
    Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty,
    (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say
    they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
    Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan,
    which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold,
    I will make them to come and worship before thy feet,
    and to know that I have loved thee.

    Those individuals that blame everything that is wrong with
    this world, on the so called ‘Jews’, are themselves
    fake Jews.

    The faithful witness

  4. Due to a smokescreen of propaganda in jewish controlled mainstream media, and a lack of really deep investigation by alternative media too timid to name the beast, few have yet come to grips with the true, original nature of judaism as it was first stated and codified in the Torah. The Judaeo-Christian tradition is an absurd marriage of contradiction, so it is no wonder evangelicals and jews both appear to be batshit fanatics clinging to a fictional portrayal of reality in their tragicomic Bible. The truth is as Gilad and Bibi say, Israel is the nation of the jewish people, who identify first with judaism, the code in the Torah.
    Judaism would still exist without zionism, because it is a transportable credit racket. That transportable jewish identity based on tribal deception and striking gentiles is established in Esther, and Deuteronomy precludes mercy even for our host earth.

    What exactly are judaism’s hundreds of religious commandments?

    Judaism’s whole racket is redistribution monopoly mascarading as a religion. it does have religiousity but only in the sense of obedience fanaticism and not in
    any traditional service of the divine. Judaism attacks its redistribution rivals through terror, including US Presidents. No nation can be allowed to be sovereign because a sovereign can expel judaism, or jews’ credit racket and crime mafia. The total global financial system based on jewish debt can only be maintained by jewish proprietors as a monolithic structure with the use of terror to quell human reflection on the architecture of their enslavement. Judaism is religiously commanded in the Torah to be the captain of human destiny. Not even jews are allowed to criticize judaism, which would suffer under reflection. Instead, jews have become proud of their power to stifle all competition for mastery of human symbolism. That is why jewish children in Israel at Purim dress up as the Twin towers strike. This comedy shows a deep sense of jewish pride in the crimes of the chosen people. Crime against gentiles alone pleases their ‘God’. Conscience must never happen within the tribe or there would not be enough unity to continue. Jewish leopards can very rarely change their omerta showing the power of kinship and cargo cultism over reason once eusociality is highly weaponized with an extreme bias toward redistributional mastery over every other human group.

    As Bjerknes said, there will be no mercy or relenting by jews in Palestine or anywhere else, even Manhattan, until the natives are genocided, because God commands the jews to behave like this. Gentiles have a hard time understanding why a chosen people, to whom the world’s credit monopoly has been handed over millenia, giving them a supreme position in society, would engage in actions against poor native titleholders under the cover of a comic book Bible, in a manner so degrading to jewish people, in a manner exposing their lack of human souls, when those actions are not even mandated by economic necessity.

    Judaism in breaking with traditional (original Paleo) population pressure cassus belli for its unending war by deception against gentiles, has hypothecated its strategy past some natural Rubicon. Judaism now stands naked in over reliance on weaponized eusociality as sole (soul) strategy. Jews are all in the game, winner take all. Palestinians and all sovereigns are in their crosshairs. Eusociality has been proposed (Wilson) as the strategy of social domination on earth, in insects and humans.

    Jews do not even know they gambled their own souls on a hypothecation falling outside the bell curve of possibllity to sustain more than four thousand years, not a long time compared to the entire history of sapiens, Sure I understand the significance of fortified settlement of Jericho even prior to agriculture (Wilson’ s “defensible nest eusociality”)in terms of human behavioral evolution in the levant, and how long judaism, post-Gilgamesh, has been brewing with its outbreak around the time of coinage and ironmongering. But today, and tomorrow, the proud jews won’t get away with genociding Palestine and attacking the Twin Towers with planted demolition explosives. Jews believed they were unassailable, that their all or nothing gamble against humanity to bring in a world noahide order could never fail at a crux point somewhere and most likely at the top of the pyramid.

    Game on.

  5. quote: “Let’s face it. Israel doesn’t see itself as the Zionist State: not one Israeli party integrated the word ‘Zionism’ into its name. To Israelis, Zionism is a dated and clichéd concept that describes the ideology that promised to erect a Jewish homeland in Palestine. For Israelis, Zionism fulfilled its purpose in 1948, it is now an archaic term”

    Does it really matter if the Jews see themselves as Zionists? Does it matter if the Jew is a Torah Jew or a Talmudic Jew or an atheist Jew? Nope. So long as anyone views themselves as a “Jew” the violence will continue. Once you say your a “Jew” that is when hell starts. Deny it you will but Zionism is the perfect and logical outcome of Torah thinking. You can’t even have a Israeli-ist without the Torah text.

    The one person that really understood the dynamic at work was Krishnamurti, he said:

    ““When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.” ”

    It is obvious that the Jew is evil. But why is the Jew evil? Because that person identifies themselves as something separate from the other. If you are a Jew and the other is a “Palestinian” then you can kill that which is not you. The problem here is they don’t identify with the other, the other is not even human, less than a bug, a thousand of the others not worth one fingernail, etc.

    Same for nationalism. If you see yourself as an American then who are you willing to kill who is not an American? Anyone and everyone – who ever the authority tells you.

    Krishnamurti – “Identification with the rag called the national flag is an emotional and sentimental factor and for that factor you are willing to kill another – and that is called, the love of your country, love of the neighbor . . .? One can see that where sentiment and emotion come in, love is not.”

    Christians are guilty of this also. The Christian says “I’m save, your not”. Once you agree that you are on God’s good (or chosen) side then how hard is it to pull the trigger on those not saved? Easy as pie. Kill ’em all – let God sort them out, they ain’t American so they deserve to die, they ain’t Christian so send ’em back to hell, etc.

    Want proof this is the real dynamic with those killers we sent to Iraq?

    American Sniper Chris Kyle quote: “It was my duty to shoot the enemy, and I don’t regret it. My regrets are for the people I couldn’t save: Marines, soldiers, buddies. I’m not naive, and I don’t romanticize war. The worst moments of my life have come as a SEAL. But I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job.”

    Order follower Chris Kyle killed them ragheads who had nothing to do with 911. What a patriot and good fundamentalist Christian. He was 100%sure he was doing the right thing, for God and Country. The Jews thank him and his church for teaching him their book.

  6. HAHAAA…Imagine , going to the polls to vote for yourself in droves !….HAHAAAA Mental pinheads …!

  7. Call them what you will, it makes no difference, in the end, these creatures are parasites, living on stolen land, who elect their leadership from blood thirsty sadists..

  8. The sock puppet representing the rulers (as per The Protocols) are battling it out with controlled opposition (also as per The Protocols), isn’t it exciting?
    Gee I wonder who will win, our future hangs on the thread, I place my trust with the controlled opposition to defend goy interests, “Jews against Zionism”, also “Jews against Deuteronomy 20:16-17”.

    Just by way of reminder:
    16 “However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.”
    17 “Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.”
    Yeah, the controlled opposition is very much against Torah, Mishnah, Zohar, Pentateuch, they just don’t talk about it much – but we gotta trust them implicitly, right?

    Just one question: so what actually makes them Jews?

  9. Davey Cohen above is probably a Zionist troll trying to appear hateful in order for the corrupt authorities to suppress fair comment and fair criticism. If anyone is a Christian such sentiments are clearly and seriously wrong. For any thought, view, statement or action a Christian must first ask if it is compatible with the person of Christ. If not then ought not to go there. The Jews of the old dispensation unfortunately carried on as if the purpose of their history and God’s will was exclusive to them and their descendants, but those of the new dispensation all initially came from the old, and we hope they keep on coming. so enough of this hate stuff.

    Christians believe that the true interpretation of Hebrew scripture was only revealed when it was identified and amplified in the earthly life of Jesus. He was the Word, the Logos, and those who rejected Him, they simply missed the boat and they keep missing it for the choice of their own exclusiveness, however beneficial it may be for temporal ends. Jesus was the only completely true Jew because he was the perfect reflection of God as revealed to a very special people through their history to his time. In all of the history of the dog-eat-dog world there was no preparation of any other tribe, people, or nation for that one incarnation. No other people got such attention, preparation, or purpose. That entire history is so uncanny it can only be considered the greatest miracle ever. Jesus did not reject the Jews. Those that rejected him were not only Jewish people of the old dispensation, but the Romans and everyone else who could not abide his light, his love, and his example. He was Jewish and he said to his Jewish brothers and sisters as he says to everyone now “Come to me.”, which no one else has ever said in any other religion, nor could say. His first followers were all Jewish and they opened the door of their rich history and revelation to everyone who accepted Christ – as
    Whom He said He was.

  10. @lobro

    ” Just one question: so what actually makes them Jews? ”

    Individual Transformation(conversion).

    A ‘Jew’ becomes ” a real Jew ” , by means of conversion :

  11. @Fred B

    ” He was Jewish and he said to his Jewish brothers and sisters as he says to everyone now “Come to me.” :

  12. Yukon Jack quotes the an insane statement by Krishnamurti and goes on from there to conclude that all Jews are evil:

    ““When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.” ”

    Like when you identify with anything you are being violent and separating yourself from the rest of mankind and ? So if you say you are a Dane, or a Pole, or a Canadian you are being violent to the rest of the world? I always through that anyone could identify with and call themselves what they wanted to and still respect and even love other peoples and groups. There are good Jews and bad Jews, just as there are good Danes and bad Danes, and good Yukoners as well as bad ones.

  13. There is no problem with identification as a nation, tribe, or culture until the identification becomes weaponized and functionally non cooperative with other groups. Douglas Reed showed how jews encoded gentile hatred around 550 BC; Deuteronomy is hate speech and terrorism, not a true religion. Running a clutch of gentile rowers in a kosher nostra slaveship after mosiach appears is not full cooperation with humanity because it is not an arrangement of equals.

    Bibi Netanyahu will one day stand in the dock for 9/11 along with many other jews. They made a crucial mistake of overreach.